Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Have you considered how other, more complex, situations would be tagged? Would it be possible to tag this in consistent way? Note also that "stopping=yes|no" is unclear and "parking:lane:both=no_stopping" is clear. (note I have not checked whatever this tags are used as you say) Feb 10, 2020,

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 12, 2020, 12:51 by witwa...@disroot.org: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:14:54AM +, Philip Barnes wrote: > >> On Tuesday, 11 February 2020, Volker Schmidt wrote: >> > OK, you confirm that the "paved is implied" statement in the wiki page is >> > to be read as "assuming we are in Germany

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 25, 2020, 23:16 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > > > > On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 16:56, Martin Koppenhoefer <> dieterdre...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> generally, I thought that was agreed, we do not map events, but we do map >> places where events take (regularly) place. >> > > But I have seen

Re: [Tagging] Clarify explicit abstention when voting on a proposal

2020-02-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Note that "adding no vote may turn failing vote into a passing vote" is a separate issue. 26 Feb 2020, 22:21 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 26. Feb 2020, at 09:15, Joseph Eisenberg >> wrote: >> >> Does anyone else want to add their comments or votes there? This

Re: [Tagging] Mapping pumps

2020-02-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
28 Feb 2020, 23:51 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: > Hi all, > > One simple question : according to you, what is the most suitable key to use > to map pumps? > A device intended to raise pressure level of any fluid. > Depends on a pump. Some are not mappable (pump in small private aquarium,

Re: [Tagging] How to map an OpenStreetMap map?

2020-02-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
29 Feb 2020, 11:58 by r...@technomancy.org: >  Do yous think `map_source=openstreetmap` is a good tag? > Yes, though I think that posting the same thread to tagging and talk ml is a poor idea.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Sorting waterway relations?

2020-02-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
27 Feb 2020, 09:55 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > If it was semantically important, we should be scanning for and flagging up > waterways with out-of-order ways.> The fact that we are not, shows that the > ordering of the ways is not essential for a correct geometrical >

Re: [Tagging] man_made=gas_well Was man_made=petroleum_well vs man_made=pumping_rig

2020-02-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 27, 2020, 00:22 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > Different tags are used for petroleum wells vs water wells because > they look totally different and their function for the general map > user is quite distinct. A water well might just be a covered hole, but > if it is a bored (drilled)

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-03-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Mar 1, 2020, 20:03 by vic...@tuxayo.net: > > > On 20-02-25 15:33, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> In this case I would either remove url or change url to other valid >> wdycf value. And I would probably request blocking such user by DWG. >> > > We

Re: [Tagging] Crosses and how to tag them

2020-03-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Mar 5, 2020, 01:30 by antoniomade...@gmx.com: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcross  -> which seems > to be used only for summit crosses > I modified wiki to be more clear that summit cross is just one of cases (but even before edit it was mentioning it only as an

Re: [Tagging] changing tables for adults (restroom accessibility feature)

2020-02-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 28, 2020, 10:57 by hol...@sozialhelden.de: > Dear tagging-mailinglist, > > in the German user forum [1] and the talk mailinglist [2] we discussed how > changing tables for adults could be mapped. One suggestion was > changing_table:adult=yes/no. I learnt that for such a sub-category a

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 25, 2020, 13:06 by j...@jonorossi.com: > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:40 PM Victor/tuxayo <> vic...@tuxayo.net> > wrote: > >> >> On 20-02-25 04:36, Jonathon Rossi wrote: >>  > Does OSM have a position on these tracking parameters, WT.mc_id, utm_*, >>  > fbclid, etc? I couldn't find anything

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 25, 2020, 07:51 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 25. Feb 2020, at 04:37, Jonathon Rossi wrote: >> >> Does OSM have a position on these tracking parameters, WT.mc_id, utm_*, >> fbclid, etc? I couldn't find anything on the wiki. >> > > > > I guess this should

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 25, 2020, 12:21 by frede...@remote.org: > Hi, > > On 25.02.20 11:59, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >> Yes. And we don't even need to do that: we can verify it with about 30 >> seconds' Googling. >> > > Ok ok you're right. > > The URL does contain a tracking token but it does not exclusively

Re: [Tagging] RFC amenity=student_accommodation

2020-02-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
name and operator may be tagged also on landuse 28 Feb 2020, 18:40 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > Am Fr., 28. Feb. 2020 um 16:50 Uhr schrieb Захаренков Алексей <> > a-z...@yandex.ru> >: > >> Hi. >>   >> My dictionary places 'student accommodation' into the series of synonyms >> 'student

Re: [Tagging] RFC amenity=student_accommodation

2020-02-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 28, 2020, 18:49 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > Am Fr., 28. Feb. 2020 um 18:43 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> >: > >> name and operator may be tagged >> also on landuse >> > > > IMHO it do

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
23 Jan 2020, 19:14 by europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com: > operation_status = XXX  - for fountains which are not operational on a > specific sighting > In such case I would add an OSM note and ask for a resurvey. And report issue to local government. With this tag it is hard to guess whatever it

Re: [Tagging] a kind of name:XX-modern-not-used

2020-01-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
23 Jan 2020, 22:49 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > a contributor spends time trying to find the meaning of these words and > replaces the name with a modern version, absent both from the ground and> > from use > Why someone would do this? Such edits should be reverted. Is it a theoretical

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

2020-01-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
There is some documentation athttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dvolcano Note that wiki is not binding and may be wrong. Also, there are apparently multiple ways to classify volcano activity See for example https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_volcanoes 24 Jan

[Tagging] Page about mismatching key names (historic=wayside_shrine used for modern ones etc)

2020-01-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
One of topics often appearing is mismatch between meaning of key and key text. Especially among newbies interested in discussions. "why we use natural=water for man made canals?" "why we tag man made beaches as natural=?" "Lets migrate natural=water to landcover=water". So far I was basically

Re: [Tagging] admin_level on ways

2020-01-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
27 Jan 2020, 11:43 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > I wonder what is the current state of admin_level on ways > Personally I consider this to be a pointless duplication of data. I am not fan of requesting from mappers doing work that is easy to automate. > in particular with respect to osm-carto.

Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
27 Jan 2020, 20:07 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> >: > >> >> (yes, I am aware about Crimea mess - >> we should follow on the ground  >>

Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Tagging it as its own separate country is certainly not ok and absurd. For how it should be solved in my opinion:we should follow on the ground rule for tagging this. (yes, I am aware about Crimea mess - we should follow on the ground  situation also in that case) 27 Jan 2020, 18:07 by

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jan 29, 2020, 14:32 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > history > I added history section to healthcare=hospital page intending to document and explain origin, history and controversy around this tag https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:healthcare%3Dhospital#Tag_history Feel free to improve and

Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
28 Jan 2020, 02:31 by g...@lexort.com: > Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > >> Mateusz, offlist deliberately. >> > > While we're at it, could the list admins fix the BROKEN REPLY-TO? > I would not consider it broken. Offlist messages are a bit tricky, but still possible and it is a really rare

Re: [Tagging] Ski picnic room

2020-01-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
amenity=shelter? Jan 29, 2020, 20:20 by luke.mar...@viacesi.fr: > I'm trying to tag a building which is a shelter with some vending machines, > tables and benches. > This type of building is called "salle hors sac" in french, and it seems that > the english counterpart would be "picnic room".

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
29 Jan 2020, 23:31 by doerr.step...@gmail.com: > On 29/01/2020 16:12, Jmapb wrote: >> IMO, unilaterally deprecating healthcare=clinic/dentist/doctor/hospital >> on the healthcare=* page is a bit heavyhanded. These are part of a voted >> and approved proposal. >> > > Completely unacceptable if

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-01-30 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
30 Jan 2020, 10:02 by m_v...@cartong.org: > We would like to propose a very generic tag this time to map the location of > refugee camps. We propose to use the tag  > place=refugee_site > > See the proposal wiki page : > >

Re: [Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
4 Feb 2020, 17:30 by p...@trigpoint.me.uk: > On Tuesday, 4 February 2020, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> Universities may have faculties, that often deserved to be mapped separately. >> >> For example university may take a large area, possibly disjointed

[Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Universities may have faculties, that often deserved to be mapped separately. For example university may take a large area, possibly disjointed area across the city but Faculty of dentistry, Faculty of forestry, Faculty of mathematics etc may be possible to be mapped as an area/node. Currently

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
5 Feb 2020, 21:06 by selfishseaho...@gmail.com: > On Mon, 3 Feb 2020 at 00:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> amenity=drinking_water is used for; >> >> streams that people drink from >> >> wells that people drink from >> >> taps that people drink from >> >> blubbers that people

Re: [Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 6, 2020, 10:14 by lionel.gi...@gmail.com: > One problem with multipolygon relation is that by definition you can't put > > node > it those and you can't put > contiguous buildings> either > Nodes are a problem. Contiguous buildings are solvable, but it requires turning buildings into

Re: [Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Thanks for all comments! For now I created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Duniversity#Complex_areas to document complexity discovered during this discussion. This way we can avoid remaking entire discussion next time and problem is at least documented. Feb 6, 2020, 11:34 by

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 7, 2020, 15:53 by pla16...@gmail.com: > This list regularly suggests things like replacing landuse=grass with > landcover=grass, and proposes that editors make the appropriate changes. > Vocal part of the list that seems minority to me. > Then we give up on entirely sensible ideas because

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 7, 2020, 15:48 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 10:26, Christoph Hormann wrote: > >> it would make a lot of sense for OSM-Carto to stop indicating this is valid >> tagging. >> > > it would make more sense to > 1) decide what a valid/ideal schema is. > 2) decide what a

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 7, 2020, 17:08 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 15:25, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >> Feb 7, 2020, 15:53 by >> pla16...@gmail.com>> : >> >>> Then we give up on entirely sens

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I see no good reason to count explicit "abstain but have comments" exactly like "vote against". Feb 5, 2020, 14:58 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > Well, if we count all of those, it is 68% (13/19) which is less than > the 74% cut-off. > > I don't think this should be considered "approved".

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

2020-01-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jan 24, 2020, 15:34 by kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:40 AM Christoph Hormann wrote: > >> Reason for the lack of verifiability is that what an active volcano is >> in almost all uses of this term does not depend on the current state of >> the volcano but on its history -

Re: [Tagging] Page about mismatching key names (historic=wayside_shrine used for modern ones etc)

2020-01-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jan 24, 2020, 18:19 by vosc...@gmail.com: > Human readability is a convenience, but is not reflected in the data > structure at all. > I strongly disagree with this. Nearly all tags are human readable, with rare exception like extremely complicated opening hours or wikidata (where lack of human

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jan 24, 2020, 13:50 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 10:06, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >> >> &&   Deleting a non-functioning fountain node, is discouraged >> But in case of remo

Re: [Tagging] Page about mismatching key names (historic=wayside_shrine used for modern ones etc)

2020-01-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
readability is a convenience, >> but is not reflected in the data structure at all. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 15:31, Jarek Piórkowski <>> ja...@piorkowski.ca>> > >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 a

Re: [Tagging] Recycling diapers

2020-02-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Are diapers actually recycled? It sounds like waste collection point accepting this specific type of trash. Feb 5, 2020, 13:22 by franci...@gmail.com: > Dear List > > > Can be the tag: > > recycling:diapers=yes/no > > Be accepted as allowed value and documented on wiki? > It's already on use

Re: [Tagging] Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?

2020-02-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
20 Feb 2020, 09:54 by vosc...@gmail.com: > This tag is a tag with very strong local restriction: 2823 of a world total > of 3166 are in the Polish city of Krakow. > And used by a single person (me). > The vast majority of dual-carriageway roads elsewhere are not tagged in this > way. > This

Re: [Tagging] decide on a meaning for what is not documented [way: Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?]

2020-02-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
20 Feb 2020, 13:02 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > But > perhaps we will decided that database users should interpret the > geometry and name=/ref= tags of parallel highway ways to add this > information in post-processing. Does anyone know if that is feasible? > AFAIK no, I tried to do this

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Rewritten to "in many cases this can be successfully guessed from the way itself (for highway=trunk to highway=residential in many regions "paved" is a safe bet)" Thanks for noticing and mentioning it here (but just editing would be OK). Feb 11, 2020, 16:51 by vosc...@gmail.com: > Do we have

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
15 Jan 2020, 05:15 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > If you tag 'disused=yes' ... how is that rendered? > It depends on what author of map style wanted. For example it is unlikely to be supported in OSM Carto, as this style is already rendering many different things and distinctions. > And that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-17 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Looking at it again: "A shop in a city mall is a member of "Global Blue" as only option for refund assistance. This would be tagged with duty_free:refund:global_blue=yes. The more general duty_free:refund=yes (or even duty_free=yes) should not be used here as we have more detailed knowledge

[Tagging] problems with PTv2 (was: Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3)

2020-03-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Mar 9, 2020, 12:28 by music.kash...@gmail.com: > I don't understand why the critics of PTv2 seem to think stop positions are > such a big deal - they are optional! > I dislike them, because many people are using them. Also in places where using them adds no information whatsoever. I also very

[Tagging] highway=bus_stop is PTv2 compatible (was: Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3)

2020-03-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Mar 8, 2020, 02:41 by music.kash...@gmail.com: > That would be tempting, because it would mean a lot less work for us in the > short term. However, I'm afraid of ending up like PTv2 - > 1. It 'does not deprecate the old tags', use of the new tags is 'recommended > but not mandatory'...whatever

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Mar 6, 2020, 15:22 by music.kash...@gmail.com: > > Thank you for sharing your thoughts  > > 06-Mar-2020 17:40:23 Andrew Harvey : > >> I think including the actual route is useful and makes life easier for >> downstream users (they don't need a routing engine to show the route), could >> this

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Mar 25, 2020, 10:26 by frede...@remote.org: > A while ago we had a longer discussion about Esperanto names; in that > discussion, it was questioned whether Esperanto could be in the name tag > but nobody disputed that adding name:eo tags is ok, even though > Esperanto is an invented (or

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-04-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Apr 29, 2020, 21:37 by skqu...@rushpost.com: > On 4/29/20 14:34, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > >> Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar: >> https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA - larger than a >> street (it occupies a whole city block), used as a multipurpose common >>

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-04-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Apr 29, 2020, 21:37 by skqu...@rushpost.com: > Why exactly was leisure=common deprecated? I used it quite a bit on > OpenGeoFiction (which follows OSM's lead for the data model). > I updated https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommon with arguments from

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy

2020-04-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Apr 28, 2020, 21:27 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > Hello, > > Le 28.04.20 à 19:14, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > >> The original key amenity=* is a reasonable choice. This has been >> confirmed with extensive usage of amenity=pharmacy by mappers and >> database users: >> > > egg & chiken issue

Re: [Tagging] Things within things | Re: Request for assistance in creating a tag.

2020-04-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dhospital#Mapping_internal_hospital_structure Extending, review etc is welcomed. Apr 13, 2020, 11:27 by r...@technomancy.org: > I think this is a case of “Things within other things”. How do we map that? > For the enclosing hospital,

Re: [Tagging] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 13, 2020, 00:18 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > One in particular, roads in remote areas - yes, it's a dirt road, connecting > very small centres of population / remote "farms" (if it's still a "farm" > when it's bigger in area than some countries > ‽> ) only, so it "can't" be > important >

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

2020-05-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Apr 30, 2020, 19:45 by miketh...@gmail.com: > Hello, > > I have always been under the impression that the highway tag should be > based off of function. Recently I have come across a number of cases > where driveways and residential roads were tagged "highway=track" > (perhaps because they

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 13, 2020, 17:43 by jm...@gmx.com: > > On 5/13/2020 10:12 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > >> >> We've had relations for over a decade now, IIRC.  It'stime to >> stop treating this basic primitive asentity-non-grata.  If tools >> >> still>>  can't deal with

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Obvious, route relations covers the same type of objects that has different names, even in English. In other languages you will get even more names, but I will not start using type=szlak_turystyczny relation type. May 13, 2020, 18:17 by bradha...@fastmail.com: > It isn't a route, except in

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 11, 2020, 02:36 by cjmal...@mail.com: > On Sun, 2020-05-10 at 23:07 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > >> > and gradually deprecating the generic tags. >> >> And there you go, wanting to get rid of phone=* and website=*. >> > > I think I stand by that quote, but I'm happy to discus it. I'm not >

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 11, 2020, 10:06 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 11. May 2020, at 03:18, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> >> Similarly if you were doing an analysis of surface area devoted to >> public parking then you also need to know to check for >> access!=private. >> > > > this

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 11, 2020, 13:43 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 11:45 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> >: > >> May 11, 2020, 10:06 by >> dieterdre...@gmail.com>> : >> >>> On 11. May 202

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 11, 2020, 03:47 by cjmal...@mail.com: > On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 02:10 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > >> And yet you, and others, keep saying it. "Deprecate" means "express >> disapproval of." In the context of OSM, it means "phase out." That >> is, >> eradicate with the passage of time. It

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 11, 2020, 15:04 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > I would also advocate to focus on parts of tagging that > are without known long-standing gridlock. > > Like contact:phone vs phone. > To clarify: I advocate avoiding known messes like phone vs contact:phone - this one will not be ever

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 19, 2020, 09:43 by europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com: > How quickly do OSM node and ways numbers mutate ?  What percentage should I > expect to change each year. > No idea. You can check this using

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 19, 2020, 10:08 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: > We may take advantage that two nodes can't overlap on OSM > It is possible to have multiple nodes at exactly the same position. Mappers will be confused, validator in JOSM will complain but it is possible to do this.

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 19, 2020, 13:38 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 12:30, European Water Project <> > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> Agree this is a good solution ... and if I can automate a way to bulk >> move the images to wikimedia commons, after manual

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 19, 2020, 12:01 by europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com: > If I understand correctly, I can query the database for historic data states.  > For how long is the historic data maintained ?  > In overpass? Forever, except data before license change. In OSM? Forever, you can get also data before

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 19, 2020, 13:41 by europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com: > >Is it possible to use an API to add image tags to osm objects  ?    > >Adding image tags to each of the objects would be the best solution.   > Every single OSM edit is done via OSM API. So, you can make OSM editor editing also

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 15, 2020, 04:05 by bradha...@fastmail.com: > > > On 5/14/20 5:53 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> >> >> >> May 15, 2020, 01:36 by >> jm...@gmx.com>> : >> >>> On 5/14/2020 12:07 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 15, 2020, 01:36 by jm...@gmx.com: > On 5/14/2020 12:07 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> May 14, 2020, 16:40 by >> jm...@gmx.com>> : >> >>> On 5/14/2020 10:01 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> >>

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 15, 2020, 08:28 by s8e...@runbox.com: > On Fri, 15 May 2020 01:53:37 +0200 (CEST), Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > >> Not sure is it the best place (someone again decided to go crazy with >> templates), but >> I made >> https://wiki.openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 14, 2020, 16:40 by jm...@gmx.com: > On 5/14/2020 10:01 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 5:48AM Steve Doerr <>> >> doerr.step...@gmail.com>> >wrote: >> >>> On 14/05/2020 09:31, Jo wrote: >>> On Wed, May 13,

Re: [Tagging] Voting procedures (Was: Re: Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved)

2020-05-08 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 8, 2020, 18:06 by kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com: > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Phake Nick wrote: > >> Given the proportion of opposing comment being raised, I would say "more >> than what have been discussed", as barely anyone raised the point during the >> discussion. The only two

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-08 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 8, 2020, 19:23 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > Le 08.05.20 à 19:06, Phake Nick a écrit : > >> Your argument was like saying we should use a amenity=stop tag for all >> bus stop, taxi stop, helicopter stop, and cruise ship stop because they >> are just "services >> > > public_transport=*

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 9, 2020, 14:33 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: > Le sam. 9 mai 2020 à 02:29, Paul Allen <> pla16...@gmail.com> > a écrit : >   > >> Motorcycle taxi is different from 4-wheeled taxi because they provide a >> different experience with different speed, charge different fare, have >> different

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Thanks for rescuing the useful content from that proposal. I reused images from older proposal, hopefully it is OK (but oif unwanted - feel free to revert) At least for me it is useful illustration of what the proposal is about and clearly demonstrate that it actually ahpepns (as such

Re: [Tagging] Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?

2020-05-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Thanks for posting here! Hopefully feedback that you receive will be useful. May 19, 2020, 17:14 by claire.hall...@hotosm.org: > What are your thoughts about adding the value "dispensary" in the wiki to the > healthcare key to map these places? > Note that in USA "dispensary" seems to primarily

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 19, 2020, 17:11 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > frankly, I expect people that will contribute to your project to also have > these accounts, because it's always the same kind of people ;-) ). > +1 > A low hurdle possibility for OSM would be the creation of notes > If you fall back onto it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 21, 2020, 04:34 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > On 20/5/20 10:49 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> Thanks for rescuing the useful content from that proposal. >> >> I reused images from older proposal, hopefully it is OK >> (but oif unwanted - feel

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 21, 2020, 09:21 by wes...@gmail.com: > OSM is increasingly becoming more useful for forest trails than for car roads > (for which other sources are usually more up-to-date, to be honest). > Not really relevant and depends on a location. > But the default rendering doesn't differentiate

Re: [Tagging] Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?

2020-05-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 20, 2020, 02:48 by claire.hall...@hotosm.org: > Therefore, if we keep the facility angle, "health_post" and > "community_care_site" values would make sense. Otherwise, based on the main > provider, we could use "nurse" and "community_relay" (if this literal > translation makes any sense

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 21, 2020, 11:42 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > Routing someone over "access=no" is a really dumb idea. > Obviously,  except cases of overriding tags like foot=yes, Similarly anyone creating highway=footway + danger="you will be shot" + "access=no" + foot=yes" should probably switch to

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 21, 2020, 11:31 by frede...@remote.org: > If we map "highway=path" + "danger=you will be shot" and then someone > gets shot because their Android app only looked at highway=path, can we > *really* sit back and say "their fault, we don't map for the Android app"? > In that case access=no

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 21, 2020, 13:18 by wes...@gmail.com: >>> Obviously we're not tagging for the renderer and the default OSM rendering >>> is discussed elsewhere. >>> >> Then why you mention it? >> > > I was trying to give a context. Sorry if it's not relevant everywhere. My > point is that the usage of

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 21, 2020, 23:15 by miketh...@gmail.com: > > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:35 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > May 21, 2020, 19:20 by > miketh...@gmail.com> : > >

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 22, 2020, 00:50 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >>> On 21. May 2020, at 23:17, Mike Thompson wrote: >>> >> A way that is used to access a private residence from a public road is >> highway=service, service=driveway (functional classification), unless it is >> too

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 22, 2020, 13:55 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com: > > > On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 21:44, Daniel Westergren <> wes...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Yeah, I guess there's no way to force the user to add a surface tag when >> adding a highway=path. We could also use analyzing tools to look for recent >>

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 22, 2020, 03:09 by miketh...@gmail.com: > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 4:52 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <> > dieterdre...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > If the driveway is too rough, it maybe isn’t a driveway any more, it will > > depend on the other driveways in the area what is acceptable as a

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
For unpaved paths I would tag width of a path, not width of free space on sides of a path. Second may be tempting in dense forest where bushes and overgrowth may be important, but would result in weird cases where there is large amount of free space on sides.

Re: [Tagging] Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?

2020-05-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Now next step is to either get back to other mappers and explain why =dispensary would be likely confusing for others and just map using whatever tags seems best. Or go through a proposal process https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process if you want. I have seen some edits already,

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Op vr 22 mei 2020 om 16:07 schreef Andrew Harvey <> andrew.harv...@gmail.com> > >: > >> >> >> On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 22:33, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <>> >> tagging@openstreetmap.org>> > wrote: >> >>> >>> &g

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 23, 2020, 20:41 by kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com: > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 4:31 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > >> It is extremely rare - if there is single access road to a private residence >> then it is a driveway no matter whatever it is paved asphalt

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Name of a route, if one exists. May 23, 2020, 18:17 by winfi...@gmail.com: > In the end, what will be left in the name tag exactly? > > Polyglot > > On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 5:53 PM Peter Elderson <> pelder...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> I am trying to improve on the name-tag mess in the many

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 21, 2020, 19:20 by miketh...@gmail.com: > So are we saying highway=path/cycleway/footway implies width<3 (or some > similar value)? > Yes, but it may be larger. Especially busy cycleway, or cycleway on curve, or cycleway on a slope may be noticeably larger. There is also an old problem

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:shelter_type=rock_shelter

2020-09-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Sep 5, 2020, 03:37 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > > > > On 9/4/2020 6:24 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> Sep 4, 2020, 18:19 by >> tagging@openstreetmap.org>> : >> >>> node and discovered the shelter_type=rock_shelter subtag,

[Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
We have drinking_water:legal=yes for water that is officially drinkable, we have drinking_water:legal=no for water signed as not drinkable. Do we have tag for water sources (amenity=drinking_water, drinking_water=yes) that are neither officially or signably drinkable nor with "not drinkable

Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Sep 6, 2020, 15:51 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 at 14:17, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >> >> drinking_water:signed=no ? >> > > Ambiguous.  It might have a sign that says nothing about th

Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Sep 7, 2020, 00:52 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 6. Sep 2020, at 21:04, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging >> wrote: >> >> That redefines drinking_water:legal=yes which currently is described as >> including >&

Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
gt; > wrote: > >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> > On 6. Sep 2020, at 16:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <>> >> tagging@openstreetmap.org>> > wrote: >> > >> > I will use drinking_water:legal=unknown >> >>

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