[Tagging] How to tag: road in Luxembourgish park with unclear status

2012-10-21 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, There is some unclarity about how to tag the roads in Vallée de la Petrusse, a park in Luxembourg-City. Luxembourg seems to be less rigid in using traffic signs than, for example, Germany and the Netherlands, and relies more on common sense of traffic participants. However, this also

Re: [Tagging] How to overcome lack of consensus

2013-09-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 16 September 2013 19:45, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: If you want to solve ambiguities it would be better to start new threads for every tag or type of tag and set an appropriate subject. I am planning to do that (at least for the shop key), but before doing that, I am

Re: [Tagging] How to overcome lack of consensus

2013-09-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
The wiki pages for bookmaker, betting, and fishmonger have been added by me. After adding a couple of such pages, I realized writing proper documentation is harder than it seems (i definitely agree with the criticism about these pages), so that's why I decided to start a broader discussion on this

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=musical_instrument

2013-09-21 Thread Matthijs Melissen
(the singular form). Please have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/musical_instruments , and leave any comments you might have on the Talk page. With kind regards, Matthijs Melissen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] proposal: intersection with equal roads

2013-09-24 Thread Matthijs Melissen
I think it makes sense to keep it in the same tag as give_way, stop, and traffic_signals, which are all tagged as highway. -- Matthijs On 24 September 2013 16:55, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I like it, but I would use something other than highway for a key. Maye junction?

Re: [Tagging] mapping qanats

2013-09-27 Thread Matthijs Melissen
According to Wikipedia, qanat's are known under different names in other parts of the world (kethara, galerias, foggara, ...). Wouldn't it be possible to use a more generic name? Also, wouldn't we be able to use waterway=canal, tunnel=yes (or whatever tag we use for underground waterways)?

Re: [Tagging] mapping qanats

2013-09-27 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On Sep 27, 2013 3:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 27/set/2013 um 12:18 schrieb Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: Also, wouldn't we be able to use waterway=canal, tunnel=yes (or whatever tag we use for underground waterways)? Possibly combined

[Tagging] Pre-proposal: gambling

2013-09-27 Thread Matthijs Melissen
? Note that some places combine sports betting with traditional lotteries. - Should we distinguish casinos (with croupiers) and 'playing halls' (or whatever they are called) without croupiers? With kind regards, Matthijs Melissen ___ Tagging mailing list

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=musical_instrument

2013-10-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen
that is most often used in practice (the singular form). Voting on this proposal is now opened. Please vote on this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/musical_instruments . With kind regards, Matthijs Melissen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: gambling

2013-10-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen
There are currently various tags for gambling-related shops and amenities in use, including amenity=casino, shop=bookmaker, shop=betting, shop=lottery, and shop=gambling. See here for an overview of usage statistics: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/gambling.

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: gambling

2013-10-06 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 5 October 2013 10:25, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/10/5 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: I notice that many users suggest distinguishing between casinos with croupiers, and amusement arcades with just slot machines. Do you? I don't see that, but maybe I've

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: gambling

2013-10-07 Thread Matthijs Melissen
IMHO we should distinguish between real casinos and those called for instance Automaten Casino in Germany [...] I agree this distinction also makes sense in the Netherlands. I think I haven't seen comments from outside of Europe. Would for example Americans consider this distinction meaningful

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On Oct 7, 2013 7:00 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: On 07.10.2013 18:48, John F. Eldredge wrote: On some bridges that have a relatively narrow footway, I have seen signs indicating that bicyclists must dismount. So, I think that it is useful as a way of telling someone planning a

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Matthijs Melissen
At least in the Netherlands you have to distinguish between bicycle=no and bicycle=dismount. Some pedestrian streets are explicitly signed with no bicycle pushing. I never heard of that, what sign do you mean? In which contexts is out used? Do you have a picture by any chance? -- Matthijs

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 8 October 2013 19:46, Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl wrote: Here is one found in a local shopping centre in Rijswijk (crappy phone photo made in poor lighting). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/File:Fiets-verboden.jpghttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fiets-verboden.jpg It

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 8 October 2013 20:11, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/10/8 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl Here is one found in a local shopping centre in Rijswijk (crappy phone photo made in poor lighting).

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Vote result - shop=musical_instrument

2013-10-21 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, The tag shop=musical_instrument has been accepted. There have been 12 people who voted, of which 11 voted in favour of the proposal and 1 against. Thanks everyone who voted. (Announcing the results of votes seems not common practice, but I think it would be a good habit.) -- Matthijs

[Tagging] Automatic edit - RFC - Musical instrument

2013-10-21 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, # Proposal I propose to automatically change all objects tagged with shop=musical_instruments into shop=musical_instrument. # Rationale Currently, some shops for music instruments are tagged with the singular form shop=musical_instrument, while others are tagged with the plural form

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
First of all, I can confirm such centres exist in the Netherlands and Luxembourg as well. So far I have tagged them as lesiure=playground, building=yes. I never heard of the name 'soft play centre', though, and I was not able to guess from the title what the proposal was about. Is there no name

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is.

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
These pictures also seem to include small play grounds in people's homes, and perhaps in shopping centres as well. I suppose small playgrounds in shopping centres (either supervised, like in Ikea, or unsupervised, like in McDonalds) are not intended to be included in this tag? I noticed by the

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-24 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Use the arrow down button on the upper right (next to the Search box) and choose 'Move'. -- Matthijs On 24 October 2013 12:59, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I have updated the page to indoor play, but I don't know how to actually change the title of the page? Do I need to

[Tagging] Mechanical edit - RFC - Musical instrument

2013-11-02 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, I propose to automatically change all objects tagged with shop=musical_instruments into shop=musical_instrument. Please let me know whether you support this proposal by voting on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/musical_instruments . The rationale for this change,

[Tagging] Mechanical edit - Voting - Musical instrument

2013-11-02 Thread Matthijs Melissen
[Send again due to incorrect title and incorrect link] Dear all, I propose to automatically change all objects tagged with shop=musical_instruments into shop=musical_instrument. Please let me know whether you support this proposal by voting on

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Based on your input during the pre-proposal phase, I have come up with a feature proposal for various gambling features. The proposal includes the following tags: - shop=bookmaker: A shop that takes bets on sporting and other events at agreed upon odds. - shop=lottery: A shop of which

[Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, In many countries, there is a type of shop that sells most of the following: - Newspapers - Magazines - Books (but not as wide selection as a book shop) - Stationary - Post cards - Bus tickets - Concert tickets - Lottery tickets - Post stamps - Tobacco - Mobile phone credit - Drinks

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear Gilbert, Thank you for proposing this, I agree that there is a need for this tag. I also agree that creches are clearly distinct from kindergarten, so they should have different tags. Are you aware of the earlier efforts to propose this? See

Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 November 2013 13:48, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: I actually sent this mail because the main mapnik map won't be updated until the number of occurences of sub_station become low in tag-info. This is exactly one of the problems I was addressing in the

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 November 2013 14:30, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Actually, in Germany, I also know all kinds of shops. We have kiosks, newsagents and stationaries which might sell all kinds of things. That many of these shops often offer Lotto is nothing which groups them but should be tagged

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 November 2013 15:31, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/3 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl What about a shop like this? http://www.hit.de/regional/partner_image/071/071_Lotto_Shop.jpg IMHO this is a kind of newsstand or travel supplies shop, offering

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 November 2013 15:26, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/3 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl Do these kind of shops also exist in other countries, and how are they referred to? Which of the products that I listed do they sell? There is surely some overlap

Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation

2013-11-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 November 2013 15:20, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: What is the problem about supporting both tags for now ? Why is carto not supporting accepted tags ? Don't ask me... I also don't see the problem. Note that Andy, the maintainer of the CartoCSS stylesheet, hasn't commented on this

[Tagging] Mechanical edit - Voting - Musical instrument (reminder)

2013-11-10 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, So far, only 7 people have voted on this proposal, which involves automatically changing all objects tagged with shop=musical_instruments into shop=musical_instrument. Please note that voting on the feature and voting on the mechanical edit are distinct, so if you have voted on the

Re: [Tagging] Mechanical edit - Voting - Musical instrument (reminder)

2013-11-10 Thread Matthijs Melissen
, not? (--- o.k. I see, it's in the policy, but does it make sense??) nounours77 Am 10.11.2013 um 19:32 schrieb Matthijs Melissen: Dear all, So far, only 7 people have voted on this proposal, which involves automatically changing all objects tagged with shop=musical_instruments into shop

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-10 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 5 November 2013 00:18, Martin Koppenhöfer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 03.11.2013 um 13:10 schrieb Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: - amenity=casino: A gambling place with at least one table game. I'm not sure if requiring a table game is a good idea, IIRR in Monte Carlo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-11 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 11 November 2013 18:02, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 17:50 +0100, fly wrote: I would agree here, playing for pleasure does need to be distinguished from gambling. Gambling will imply age restrictions on entry, whereas playing video games does not. Under

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-12 Thread Matthijs Melissen
I support the idea in principle. However, would it be possible to propose a tag that is backwards compatible with the current scheme, and does not break existing renders / routers? For example, something like bicycle=no, bicycle:use_cycleway=yes? -- Matthijs On 12 November 2013 18:16, Pee Wee

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-12 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 12 November 2013 19:04, Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com wrote: If I understand correctly you're saying that the combination of a bicycle=no bicycle:use_cycleway=yes could mean the same thing as the proposed tag. Exactly. I think it could but I'm not realy in favour of this. The main reason

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 13 November 2013 09:20, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: Secondly, you mention the case of special types of bicycle eg tricycles. I would argue that if such vehicles routinely have a different legal status with respect to access rights in a particular

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 13 November 2013 23:53, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 November 2013 23:06, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: In which case,I don't think the already well-established access tags are what you should be using for this. bicycle

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 11 November 2013 18:02, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 17:50 +0100, fly wrote: What I miss so far is a way to better describe what kind of gambling is possible, no weather what kind of place it is, similar to gambling=* Do we need a tag for each machines ?

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-14 Thread Matthijs Melissen
An approach which combines 2 tags in a way that the meaning is only true for the combination of both, but not for the single tag, does not work well IMHO. We shouldn't have tags like bicycle=no and with a second tag we say, hey, actually that is not a real no in this other tag over there. We

Re: [Tagging] Mechanical edit - Voting - Musical instrument (reminder)

2013-11-17 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, The voting is closed now. All ten voters have voted 'Approve'. Thank you all for voting. I will proceed now with obtaining approval from the data working group. -- Matthijs On 10 November 2013 18:32, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Dear all, So far, only 7 people

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-20 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 15 November 2013 01:22, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 November 2013 11:54, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Hmm, difficult to get the difference right. How would you call a place with video games and pinball machines? What if there are also claw cranes? I'd

Re: [Tagging] Taginfo for specific geographies

2013-11-26 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Maybe Tagwatch does what you are looking for? http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/ Matthijs On Nov 25, 2013 11:34 PM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to find all of the tags that are used over a user specified geography (could be a country or a bounding box). Is there anyway to

Re: [Tagging] the proposal process

2013-11-27 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi Martin, It seems that user Fgnievinski split off the page from 'Proposed features': https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_featuresdiff=prevoldid=930880 Note that earlier this month, I have merged the pages 'Creating a proposal' and 'Creating a proposal' into 'Proposal

Re: [Tagging] the proposal process

2013-11-27 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Sorry, that should have been: Note that earlier this month, I have merged the pages 'Creating a proposal' and 'Proposed features' into 'Proposal process', so you might also be interested in the history of these pages. -- Matthijs On 27 November 2013 10:22, Matthijs Melissen i

Re: [Tagging] opening_hours extension: combined time range with open end as 18:00-22:00+

2013-11-28 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi Robin, Thank you for your efforts. Could you give some more information on this proposal? In particular, what kind of POI would use this? How would you expect software for example (OsmAND) to use it? Have you discussed this with entities that currently support opening_hours? Is the scheme

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-30 Thread Matthijs Melissen
For this discussion, it might be helpful to know what the Convention on Road Signs and Signals says about the blue round cycle sign: Sign D, 4 COMPULSORY CYCLE TRACK shall notify cyclists that the track at the entrance to which it is placed is reserved for them, and shall notify the drivers of

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling

2013-11-30 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Based on your comments, I have created a new version of the proposal for gambling features. The proposal can be found here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Gambling The main difference with the previous version is that a distinction is now made between adult

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling

2013-12-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 December 2013 09:47, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The only thing a little strange might be shop=lottery for shops whose main purpose is selling lottery tickets. Maybe I simply have never lived in an area where those exist, but really, I cannot recall of having ever

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling

2013-12-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
=lottery). regards Peter Am 01.12.2013 14:06, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: On 1 December 2013 09:47, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The only thing a little strange might be shop=lottery for shops whose main purpose is selling lottery tickets. Maybe I simply have never lived

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 December 2013 10:04, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I mean that bicycle=no bans bicycles from the road, while the actual situation is that you have to use the cycleway if it leads where you are going (and nothing bans you from using the road). If you want to turn left

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 December 2013 21:38, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: I don't think this is true in the Netherlands. Situations like you describe are quite rare in the Netherlands, but I did find one: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Marconibaan,+Nieuwegein,+The+Netherlandshl=enll

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden

2013-12-06 Thread Matthijs Melissen
I agree with Martin. Also the fact that an object (parking, garden, swimming pool) is private is in itself useful information for the general public. You might for example see a parking or garden on aerial imagery, and wonder if it's possible to go there. Related question: if someone decides to

Re: [Tagging] Mechanical edit - Voting - Musical instrument (reminder)

2013-12-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
or when the mechanical edit will happen. Kind regards, Matthijs On 18 November 2013 03:24, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Dear all, The voting is closed now. All ten voters have voted 'Approve'. Thank you all for voting. I will proceed now with obtaining approval from the data

Re: [Tagging] Mechanical edit - Voting - Musical instrument (reminder)

2013-12-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 December 2013 11:35, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: It sounds strange to me that the DWG would approve an edit beforehand. Usually it is the community to approve such actions (if they are possible at all). Where did you get the idea from that DWG should or would approve

Re: [Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-14 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 13 December 2013 19:37, Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com wrote: We want to thank all the contributors to this discussion. We think and hope we have enough information to work on new proposal. Thank you for not giving up, and for trying to improve the proposal. I think many of the no-votes were

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2013-12-31 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 31 December 2013 21:27, malenki o...@malenki.ch wrote: looking forward to that enhanced rendering style, What would be the most suitable rendering? Perhaps similar to the normal rendering, but with a dashed outline (casing)? -- Matthijs ___

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2013-12-31 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 31 December 2013 22:27, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking of a colour change (like the Humanitarian style does), but a dashed outline would be just fine for me. After deciding which tags should be used, I think I'd leave the aesthetic decision to people in the

[Tagging] Mechanical edit - Musical instrument

2014-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, As you remember, I had proposed to automatically change all objects tagged with shop=musical_instruments into shop=musical_instrument. I had asked permission from the Data Working Group for this edit. Today, I received an answer from the Data Working Group. They indicated that they do

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling

2014-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:39:02 + From: Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling Message-ID: cad940mqd4hp296jj-bdva4rgsxsrgv7od-c_yzrhaxg-saw

[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Gambling

2014-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
is that I have added images to the proposal (whenever legally possible in line, otherwise as a link). With kind regards, Matthijs Melissen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop

2014-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Currently the tags shop=bag (303) and shop=pet (4501) are used in parallel to the less used tags shop=bags (177) and shop=pets (137). I propose to agree on the defacto standard (the singular). In order to accomplish that, I have created two proposal pages:

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-02 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 2 January 2014 16:15, gweber gwebe...@gmail.com wrote: I would strongly favour a simple dashed border style whenever the surface tag falls into the unpaved categories. It is as simple as that. From my experience in driving on rural roads in Brazil, nothing else is required. The disadvantage

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Feature Proposal - RFC - Marijuana

2014-01-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 January 2014 11:53, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Martijn van Exel mart...@openstreetmap.us wrote: I would look at how these places are already tagged in, say, Amsterdam. I know, I should know, having lived there for 20 years, but I don't :p

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop

2014-01-05 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 January 2014 21:13, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Currently the tags shop=bag (303) and shop=pet (4501) are used in parallel to the less used tags shop=bags (177) and shop=pets (137). I propose to agree on the defacto standard (the singular). This message has

[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Gambling (reminder)

2014-01-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, This is a reminder that voting on the gambling proposal is currently open. Voting can be done here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Gambling With kind regards, Matthijs Melissen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

[Tagging] Proposal - Voting finished - Gambling

2014-01-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Just over two weeks ago, I started voting on a proposal for gambling amenities: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Gambling#Voting The proposal has been accepted with 13 approving votes and 1 opposing vote. I would like to thank everyone who voted, and who

Re: [Tagging] Proposal - Voting finished - Gambling

2014-01-19 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 19 January 2014 16:33, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014/1/19 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl The proposal has been accepted with 13 approving votes and 1 opposing vote. I would like to thank everyone who voted, and who contributed to the discussion

Re: [Tagging] Proposal - Voting finished - Gambling

2014-01-28 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 20 January 2014 01:31, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: I have therefore re-opened the voting for an additional week. After extending the voting period for a week, the proposal is now really accepted. There are now 15 approving votes and 1 opposing vote. Thank you again

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop

2014-01-28 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Sorry for taking so long to getting back to this proposal. Thank you for all your comments. I confirm that this discussion does not concern a mechanical/automatic edit. This discussion is only about what the community thinks is the preferred tag, and permission for automatic re-tagging

[Tagging] Pre-proposal - Photography

2014-01-28 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, We currently have the following tags for photography: - shop=photo (1870x) - craft=photographer (806x) - shop=photo_studio (329x) - shop=photography (117x) - shop=photographer (58x) To what kind of entities do these tags correspond? There seem to be some redundant tags. As far as I

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal - Photography

2014-01-31 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 29 January 2014 09:42, Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com wrote: I used so far: shop=photo For shops that sell cameras, equipment and related services (cleaning, repair), offer printing (either off- or on-site) and maybe simple portrait photos for use on ID documents

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop

2014-02-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 29 January 2014 13:20, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: regarding the bag shop it might also be useful to add a reference to shop=leather That's a good point. How would you distinguish between a bag shop and a leather shop? For example, how would you tag French

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop

2014-02-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 2 February 2014 23:34, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-02-01 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: That's a good point. How would you distinguish between a bag shop and a leather shop? I'd use bag shop if they only or mostly sold bags and leather shop

Re: [Tagging] feature Proposal - RFC 2 - tourism = apartment

2014-02-15 Thread Matthijs Melissen
I would prefer the plural tourism=apartments. In the picture in the wiki page, you will not tag every individual apartment, but rather the entire block of apartment, right? -- Matthijs On 15 February 2014 20:30, nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, According to the results

Re: [Tagging] feature Proposal - RFC 2 - tourism = apartment

2014-02-17 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Am 16/feb/2014 um 01:06 schrieb Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com: I prefer singular because the plural term explicitly states that more than one unit is available to rent while the singular implies only that there is at least one unit for rent on a short term basis. Therefore the plural

Re: [Tagging] Architectural Monuments - ideas?

2014-02-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 16 February 2014 20:31, nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm currently importing a list of Architectural Monuments into OSM. The available information is the name, the architect, sometimes the construction period. But how should I tag it? I was thinking about three

Re: [Tagging] natural=cloud

2014-04-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 April 2014 18:08, Pierre Knobel pierr...@gmail.com wrote: I just wanted to mention a new tag I created yesterday: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcloud I think this is tag a very good idea. Clouds are very noticeable features in the landscape. I just have some concerns

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 2 April 2014 09:47, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I think these tags are essential because the wikidata tag should be used very carefully. People are probably going to start tagging McDonalds restaurants with wikidata=Q38076. That is (maybe not so obviously) wrong because that

Re: [Tagging] shop for baby strollers only

2014-04-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Personally I would use shop=baby_goods, baby_goods=strollers. That way you preserve full detail, and you also accomodate data consumers that don't know about stroller shops. -- Matthijs On 4 Apr 2014 10:50, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: Should I tag a shop, where I can buy a baby

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 April 2014 14:05, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: what makes no_exit so special that it needs its own key for this purpose? Roads that are close to each other but not connected are a common tagging mistake. The tag no_exit is a default, which we generally don't tag, but I

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 11 April 2014 17:28, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Currently, there are 41,000 things tagged access=designated (1). I can understand what =designated means for a specifc transport type (foot, bicycle, etc.) but not access. The wiki (2) also doesn't know. The wiki does

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

2014-05-15 Thread Matthijs Melissen
It is currently used in states to indicate where to place the node of the state name, because the administrative centre of a state tends to be the same as it's capital city administrative centre. (example of the label role: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/539668890) Not necessarily though.

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] #5163: paths and tracks rendering indistinguishable: your opinion?

2014-05-19 Thread Matthijs Melissen
This is @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/281165129#map=18/50.52934/5.81330layers=D Look at Le Stockis : residential - track - path transitions in the circles where they meet. Compare with the IGN map on the right. Ask anyone without hinting them by the topology which is track and which is

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-05-19 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 19 May 2014 19:05, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I'm interested to know what level of access people believe this implies in their home countries. In Luxembourg, highway=track normally cannot be used by vehicles. Most of them have currently no access tag. -- Matthijs

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-06-05 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 5 June 2014 14:22, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I agree that unpaved roads need to be rendered differently than paved roads. In wet weather, particularly in areas with clay soil, unpaved roads may be completely impassable. If you are talking about the rendering on the

Re: [Tagging] turning layers off

2014-06-05 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Yes, in JOSM, you can use the Filters window. -- Matthijs On 5 June 2014 15:46, Tom Gertin tger...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to turn visibility of certain layers or feature types off in OpenStreetMap (Id or JOSM), such as features with a landuse tag? I am having a hard time drawing

Re: [Tagging] Signal-controlled roundabouts

2014-06-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 13 June 2014 16:54, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: So why is it a roundabout? Is it because of the circular shape? Or could it be because it's impossible to infer that any of the entering ways have right of way, since they are all controlled by traffic lights? I don't

Re: [Tagging] Reviewing the use of addr:housename

2014-06-15 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 14 Jun 2014 18:25, Andrew Hain andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: The uses of the tag addr:housename in the database[1] does not match documentation[2] well. A high prroportion of uses are accidental I also think addr:housename should only be used in countries where the housename is part of

Re: [Tagging] Reviewing the use of addr:housename

2014-06-15 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 15 June 2014 19:22, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: What is the address in your opinion? That is of course not black and white. But I do think house names have a different status in the UK than they have in Germany. In Germany, you would normally not include the house name

[Tagging] Rendering change: buildings within highway areas

2014-06-30 Thread Matthijs Melissen
We have just rolled out version 2.16.0 of openstreetmap-carto, the main Openstreetmap rendering. This version includes a change in rendering which might make current incorrect tagging of some highway areas more noticeable. Buildings will now be rendered behind highways areas, rather than on top

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Enhancing natural=peak tag

2014-07-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Thanks for starting this discussion. Personally I think it makes sense to define different types of peaks in the data. It would solve the problem we have now, where tiny hillocks are rendered just like huge mountains. On 8 July 2014 15:14, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Enhancing natural=peak tag

2014-07-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 July 2014 00:05, Daniel Koć dan...@xn--ko-wla.pl wrote: W dniu 08.07.2014 20:04, yvecai napisał(a): However, if rendering is an interesting topic, wiki is full of rendering examples and advices that aren't followed anywhere. Let the You don't even realize how sad is this observation for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Enhancing natural=peak tag

2014-07-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 July 2014 02:56, Daniel Koć dan...@xn--ko-wla.pl wrote: but for now I'm very surprised how the low hanging fruit can be not picked for so long without anybody noticing it, even if all the code is already waiting to be merged ( https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/705

Re: [Tagging] Tagging-rendering relations

2014-07-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 July 2014 16:24, Daniel Koć dan...@xn--ko-wla.pl wrote: W dniu 09.07.2014 14:19, Matthijs Melissen napisał(a): So - what about making the testing map and adding there all the already documented features for the start? Maybe we should discuss it elsewhere, because we're far from

Re: [Tagging] Rendering change: buildings within highway areas

2014-07-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 July 2014 16:29, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: We get increasing feedbacks on my local list that the new rendering rule is counter-intuitive (to not say that it is considered as a bug). Now roads are rendered on top of buildings even when roads are really under buildings or underground

Re: [Tagging] Tagging-rendering relations

2014-07-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 July 2014 16:57, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: the idea to use a whitelist is to avoid rendering objects with syntax errors in the tags, because this gives the mappers feedback that there is indeed a problem if something is not rendered... That said, we are planning to

Re: [Tagging] Rendering for mappers

2014-07-10 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 July 2014 20:44, Daniel Koć dan...@xn--ko-wla.pl wrote: I have no preference which general map should be default - the beauty one or the working one - but two beauty maps and no working one makes no sense to me. I remember having seem an adaptation of the Mapnik style, but with extra tags

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