Re: [Tagging] layer=-1, rivers, bridges and tunnels

2014-04-02 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi wrote: C'mon guys. It should be done with sensible defaults rather than forcing mappers to tell such plain obvious things. Rivers tend to pretty universally go below bridges, don't you agree? Or bridges go above rivers?

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-03 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Is noexit=yes useful on ways ? The way has one side that has/is an exit :-) Tagging the whole way as noexit=yes seems strange. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: On 03.04.2014 21:22, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Is noexit=yes useful on ways ? The way has one side that has/is an exit :-) Tagging the whole way

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:28 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: What do we think that someone means when they tag something as access=designated? iD allows to easily add only a general access=designated (while JOSM not), for example.

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Yves yve...@gmail.com wrote: I always assumed it was for street where traffic is allowed for residents or delivery, but not for traffic passing through. This one is destination and not designated :-) ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Potlatch also allows a general access=designated The tip/help message is Permitted, according to signs or specific local laws for designated. From what I see the problem are the editors that are allowing this. People are using acess=designtated with the same meaning as access=yes (ie, it's

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-12 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
So the wiki will stay allowing and saying to use noexit on ways too, even if the majority agree that it shouldn't be like this? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] small change to turn restriction relation tagging

2014-04-22 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Just a doubt here: is there a link for a previous discussion about the except tag? For me it seems strange a place that has a turn restriction only for hgv (and needs to be excepted with everything else). It should be the opposite: the tag should contains the classes that it applies to, and not

Re: [Tagging] admin_level on nodes: wiki vs practice

2014-05-10 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I think an explicit tagging scheme that specifies the correspondence between place=* tags and admin_level=* tags is a good thing. Isn't admin_level a property of boundary=administrative? (that is also a an

Re: [Tagging] Structure on the end of tunnel to cover sun and avoid bright blindness

2014-05-13 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: First, I'd rather tag it as building=roof, but even that might not be enough because it's not built to be a roof. If the only function is sun blocking, maybe some long name like building=tunnel_exit_sun_block.

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] #5163: paths and tracks rendering indistinguishable: your opinion?

2014-05-19 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 2:38 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Did you make that test: asking people which is track or path? Where walkers and tractors would go? Isn't this the job of the map key? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] #5163: paths and tracks rendering indistinguishable: your opinion?

2014-05-19 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:18 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Strangely, I was just looking at the key when your message popped up. Did you look too? Just saw now that there is one problem in the key: there is no info about paths (only about tracks and footways, like you

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: For settlements (in urbanism / settlement geographic terms) my suggestion is to use place=* on an area. There is one problem when using place: people start to duplicate data. What is already present/available in

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: That's the point. Is it legal or just the sum of all urbanized landuse 's (residential, industrial, retail). Does it include backyards, garden, orchard, etc ? The limit is often clear on the road (first/last building + road

[Tagging] noexit=yes (again)

2014-05-30 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
(Please, don't make a voodoo doll of me because I am bringing this discussion back.) We had a long discussion in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-April/017247.html and now I saw in the English wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noexit this: Use the noexit=yes tag

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes wiki page update

2014-06-01 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Can't the wiki page be protected? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-06-13 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Could we define boundary=urban then? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Reviewing the use of addr:housename

2014-06-15 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: I also think addr:housename should only be used in countries where the housename is part of the address. The only European country where I know that is the case is England (maybe Ireland too?). I think the use

Re: [Tagging] Aerodrome types

2014-07-03 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: this essentially can be condensed to length of runway, because this implies bigger airplanes, and bigger airplanes tend to fly longer distances. Not quite. There are airports with runways having 2100 meters or

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-16 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't give this tag a general name like landuse=religious. People from all over will use this like they see fit, and the tag will soon lose meaning. If Japanese temples usually have grounds around them that have

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: How do you define forestry or 'managing' forests? With commercial/industrial purpose/usage of the area? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: On 20 August 2014 19:25, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: How do you define forestry or 'managing' forests

[Tagging] aeroway=taxiway as area

2014-08-29 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Why the value description table of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aeroway%3Dtaxiway states that aeroway=taxiway should not be used on areas? Is there a valid point for this? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] oneway=no spams

2014-12-29 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:36 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: I bet a lot of people, myself included, simply uncheck the box (making it no) rather than the trash can to delete the tag. I bet that is where a lot of them are coming from. This is what happened here

Re: [Tagging] Whole planet flooded at main map?

2015-02-06 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me or is currently the whole planet flooded on the main map? At least at zoom level 1-6. Starting with 7 countries reappear. It's flooded, yes. (but tagging isn't the proper place to ask this :-))

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Rainer Fügenstein r...@oudeis.org wrote: during the draft stage, I (we) couldn't come up with an expression that covered everything that might one day be transported in a pipeline. fluid? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-24 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Никита acr...@gmail.com wrote: reduced cpu load for database because there no need to compute smart regexes You know that it's always a trade-off, right? While the CPU usage *could* be lowered, disk usage/IO and network traffic could increase. There is no magic

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-23 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Никита acr...@gmail.com wrote: But again, how do you query then? Query for red? color[*]=red? Regexes again. He is representing an array where [1] is the first position. There is no need for regexes. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Ambiguous translations of waterway=dam - should be moved to man_made=dam

2015-04-16 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: not all of the dams are man_made, beavers are busy builders. I want to be the first one tagging a beaver_made=dam :-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] internet_access usage in parks (and other open areas)

2015-04-16 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
We are having a discussion in talk-br about internet_access in parks and other open areas. From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:internet_access and from what I understand, it's a characteristic of the place/object (so it should not exist without a building, amenity, tourism, shop, leisure

Re: [Tagging] internet_access usage in parks (and other open areas)

2015-04-16 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: But attributing internet access to a park seems strange. You can't complain to someone that you have bad signal at your bench. I would rather map it as a point if it's in the open. Nor you can complain if it's mapped as a

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-20 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:58 PM, wrote: > I can't find any ports in my OSM data. I'm afraid I just forgot to add this > tag in styles when import. > Anyway, what is the correct way to get ports? They are "harbours" You can take a look at

[Tagging] Representing "altimetric quotas" in OSM

2017-01-17 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
I really don't know if the proper term is "altimetric quota" in English, sorry. What we have are some places where the elevation at some points were measured. It's similar to man_made=survey_point but without any physical objects or marks there; somebody just measured the elevation at that point

Re: [Tagging] Representing "altimetric quotas" in OSM

2017-01-17 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: > What about just a "ele" tag? "ele" without any other attribute is valid? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Discarding converted_by

2016-09-22 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Hi! Do we have any need for "converted_by" https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/converted_by#values or it could be discarded while modifying an object, exactly what we already do with "created_by" and some other tags? (ie, we won't mass remove the tag, but only drop it while editing an object

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] non-temporary usage of highway=road

2016-09-27 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Seems like an actual temporary road tag, not a tag that which is temporary, > but a road itself that is temporary, to get around a permanent road that's > under long-term construction, would be useful. It's actually a

Re: [Tagging] Differentiating streets with official name from non-official yet name

2016-11-07 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > this whole "official name" story isn't completely obvious either. Who is the > entity to decide on the name? The city grew up from a small village, without a city hall. People named (who knows how) the streets

[Tagging] Differentiating streets with official name from non-official yet name

2016-11-07 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Situation: there is a city where all the streets are named (using the "name" tag). Some of the names are official (recognized by the city hall, by law, etc) and some are not yet officially recognized. Is there a way to differentiate official names from non-official? Using only official_name in

[Tagging] Proper way to tag highways located in "dangerous" areas

2016-11-15 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
It's the second time that we are having a major discussion here in Brazil, on how to tag highways located in "dangerous" areas. For example, some people consider slums and other communities as dangerous (since there is a risk of being robbed or even killed) and would like to don't have the router

[Tagging] "Neutral" language for objects in international areas

2017-04-06 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Which is the most appropiated/neutral language for international objects? (outside countries, in ocean, etc) For example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/47301187 When I first created the Point Nemo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_of_inaccessibility#Oceanic_pole_of_inaccessibility

Re: [Tagging] Landuse for vacant lots

2017-03-13 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > I favor "landuse=disused". English is not my primary language, but it seems a little contradictory here. "landuse" says that a specific piece of land is being used for something. Then "disused" says that it's being used for

[Tagging] admin_level with office=government

2017-07-18 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Does it really make sense to have admin_level with office=government? While trying to understand why an area with admin_level=4 appeared in a government office here I saw this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key%3Agovernment=revision=1465882=1346026 Which came from this:

Re: [Tagging] admin_level with office=government

2017-07-20 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Complementing, why not just use ownership https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ownership, operator https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:operator or something else, instead using a tag created for borders? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] admin_level with office=government

2017-07-20 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I don't see a problem to add admin_level on government offices. > > If you are looking for boundaries you will have to look for a combination of > boundary=administrative with a proper admin level (while in the

Re: [Tagging] admin_level with office=government

2017-07-21 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > admittedly there is not much documentation in the wiki, there isn't even a > key page, only a redirect to boundary=administrative with this paragraph: (...) > Besides administrative boundaries, the admin_level=*

Re: [Tagging] admin_level with office=government

2017-07-21 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > What do you think about the draft for a key page (above)? It seems a good start :-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Embassies and administrative boundaries

2017-09-05 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Does it make sense? From what I understand from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_mission#Extraterritoriality, no. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] name with name:en

2017-11-15 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > There looks to be a duplication taking place (map.me problem ?) where both > the name=* tag and name:en (the local language)=* are being entered as the > same value. There is an old discussion about this at

Re: [Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

2017-12-13 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > man_made=surveillance and atm=yes But then it looks like a surveillance equipment with an ATM :-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Emergency phones with blinking lights

2017-11-03 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Éric Gillet wrote: >> light:flash=yes (80 uses) > > Didn't find this one, but sure it's better to use an already-used tag. Here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:light_source#Miscellaneous_properties

[Tagging] Emergency phones with blinking lights

2017-11-02 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Is there a way to represent emergency phones (emergency=phone) which have a blinking/flashing light (so they can be identified at night, with fog, etc), please? If not, what would be a good tag for this? (something like blinking_light=yes) ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

2017-12-06 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Fernando Trebien wrote: > But I didn't find any discussion on this here. Do you agree that it is > adequate to combine amenity=atm with man_made=surveillance on the same > element? No... It could use another tag or namespace for this,

Re: [Tagging] still_visible_on=* or maybe still_visible_in=?

2018-06-27 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I decided to use still_visible_on=Bing rather than note="It is still visible > on Bing" as with second "note" should already encompass this: "A note is used to inform other mappers about non-obvious information about an element, the

Re: [Tagging] 'Unknown' value.

2018-02-03 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Dave F wrote: > I recently seen a variety of keys being given the value of 'unknown'. > I'm struggling to see its purpose. It confirms nothing & adds no value to > the database. Am I missing something? You are right. It's interesting

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-12 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The wiki has an example for a wayside shrine which I wouldn't classify as > "shrine", it's rather a column, no space inside: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Eleonorens%C3%A4ule_Penzing.jpg If a

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-12 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:47 AM, OSMDoudou <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: > According to this description in French [1], to be defined as "oratoire" / > "shrine", there should be a cavity to exhibit something (with a cross, a > roof, etc.). Maybe the definition of a

Re: [Tagging] amenity=festival_ground

2018-07-31 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Mike H <1jg...@gmail.com> wrote: > The third case was for places that are designated to host festivals such as > fairgrounds, showgrounds, etc... These sites will often be used for other > uses when they are not hosting festivals, but they are primarily built for >

Re: [Tagging] Let's get (quite) rid of units and their multiples in OSM values

2018-07-27 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 5:33 PM, François Lacombe wrote: > Well okay > Given problem is how can we query maxspeed like : > [Maxspeed>25] ? Maybe the query tools could simply implement a function that converts number+unit to a numeric value only? [to_number(maxspeed) > 25]

Re: [Tagging] Part/whole confusion with Wikidata tag, and the need for enveloping parts into a whole

2018-08-07 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > Nelson, there are several places I have seen in our wiki, e.g. [1], which > discourage duplication of information if it can be avoided. name is a > special case - it helps mappers to quickly identify what the object > represents. If we

Re: [Tagging] Part/whole confusion with Wikidata tag, and the need for enveloping parts into a whole

2018-08-07 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 7:35 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > Why would you want railroad stations tagged differently > and duplicate the same wikidata tag on every part of it? Having the same "wikidata" on every part representing an object seems to be as correct as having "name" on every part of a

[Tagging] Clarificarions for highway=speed_camera

2018-04-01 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Sometimes some doubts about highway=speed_camera arise here in Brazil. The most recent discussion is about: 1) In iD "speed camera" was translated as "speed sensor" in Portuguese and some people are mapping where the ground sensor (which detects the vehicle) is located at the road, instead