Re: [Tagging] Are tunnels only below ground? (Was

2009-11-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Anthony wrote: By the way... On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com wrote: From the picture, it appears that where the road is covered by the building there is actually a pedestrian way and doors into the building from the highway. If that's the case, then it is

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Pieren wrote: On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: noname=yes Oh dear. What is the next step, noname=yes on all unnamed buildings if KeepRight tells you it is an error ? Nobody would expect every last building to be named. People generally expect

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Tobias Knerr wrote: Should an application developer decide to assume oneway=no (which might lead to longer-than-optimal routing results) or oneway=yes (which might send you the wrong way up a trunk link)? I would prefer one-way to never be assumed as yes, even on motorways, for consistency's

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Liz wrote: and when the comment in the history from 21 June is read it says (This won't break any ways, because 1. nobody (approximately) uses this for routing yet, 2. assuming they're 2-way in a routing app is potentially dangerous anyway.) 2 never applies in practice, especially outside

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Jonathan Bennett wrote: It also means that newcomers may not quite get the tagging right, because they assume that a road type which is inherently one-way doesn't need explicit tagging. Name one road type which is inherently one-way. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-16 Thread Paul Johnson
Mike Harris wrote: IMHO it would be more useful if bicycle=no meant 'no cycling' ... I think there are quite a few situations where a cyclist could wheel (or carry) the bike but not ride it. Without bicycle=no it would be difficult to know that it was 'no cycling' but with 'bicycle=no' +

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-16 Thread Paul Johnson
Mike N. wrote: - bicycle=no - you are not allowed to ride a bike - bicycle=prohibited - the presence of bikes is not allowed - bicycle=folded_only - you can have a folded bike I would hope this covers most cases. There is the odd case of fragile and protected nature trails

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-16 Thread Paul Johnson
Chris Hill wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: I'd tag a section marked as cyclists must dismount as a footway, bicycle=destination (since there's no way in hell you'd want to take a route that bogus as anything but a last resort). Except that in Hull, UK two of the National Cycle Network routes (1

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Anthony wrote: For example, just one example, here in Florida bicycles are allowed to use certain roadways (most roadways, in fact, but I'm too lazy to look up the exact law right this second). I'm not sure that's a universal law, applicable everyone in the world. Unless Florida is somehow

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Liz wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Paul Johnson wrote: Cyclists aren't allowed on most forest service trails, and those are posted horse=no, bicycle=no, foot=yes. Really, what's wrong with the bicycle=destination idea I suggested for navigation purposes, without trying to supersede common

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-17 Thread Paul Johnson
David Calder wrote: As a travelling cyclist I need to know if I am going to be able to take a particular road or not before I get there. I know bicycles are not permitted on motorways/autobahns/autovias etc so I suspect that it is implied that bicycle=no on roads designated as such on the

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Bennett wrote: (It does make me think that *signed* bicycle prohibitions should be tagged differently from *statutory* bicycle prohibitions, though. As the OP said, you really don't want to ignore a sign like that.) Unless your local jurisdiction is violating international law, there is

Re: [Tagging] More cycleway=* values needed

2009-12-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: We considered proposing: cycleway=curb which is short, but as someone pointed out, you don't actually ride the bike on the curb like you do the track or the lane. Alternatively we could use: cycleway=curb_delimited I'm against this. If it's seperated

Re: [Tagging] Time based access restrictions (was: bicycle=no)

2009-12-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Bennett wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Ambiguous. Paris has a far different idea about business hours than New York, which has a different idea than Salem, and so on. Even within the same geopolitical region, for example, business

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Well, ask yourself: what verifiable information about this path can I share with others? That's what you should tag. In this example, surface=pavers, width=0.75 sounds fine to me. I actually

Re: [Tagging] More cycleway=* values needed

2009-12-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Bennett wrote: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: cycleway=curb_delimited I'm against this. If it's seperated by a curb, that counts as a median, and should be treated as a seperate way. IMHO, options are good. If it's separated

Re: [Tagging] More cycleway=* values needed

2009-12-21 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Never mind simply tagging it loses spatial detail in the process, and complicates routing engines (since turns are often restricted or prohibited from the cycle track across the adjacent road

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-21 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Bennett wrote: Except highway=footway is automatically bicycle=no. Depends on the country. I'm gonna have to disagree... if it allows both pedestrians and bicycles, that would be a cycleway in most cases. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-22 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Bennett wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Depends on the country. I'm gonna have to disagree... if it allows both pedestrians and bicycles, that would be a cycleway in most cases. Disagree all you like. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2010-01-03 Thread Paul Johnson
Anthony wrote: Motorway is not a term defined in the MUTCD, the MUTCD just plain doesn't say that, and that completely contradicts state law in many parts of the United States. I do not believe this is a relevant distinction if you use the the US tagging guidelines and map features as your

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-05 Thread Paul Johnson
Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: Real cycleways with official signs are an obstacle to me that I need to avoid. highway=cycleway if and only if it has an official sign...? :P No. There seems to be some confusion in the Portland area about

Re: [Tagging] Easy question: _link tags for U turn/cut throughs?

2010-01-23 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Bennett wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i think anthony's proposal access=no police=yes foo=yes ... is sensible. Sure. OTOH, why bother? Can you picture a use case where it matters whether police=yes is set? There are

Re: [Tagging] Easy question: _link tags for U turn/cut throughs?

2010-01-23 Thread Paul Johnson
Richard Welty wrote: On 1/10/10 6:43 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: On 01/07/2010 09:59 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: When a divided motorway/trunk/primary/... has a spot for turning or u-turning, should that be marked as primary or primary_link? The wiki isn't clear. If it’s for

Re: [Tagging] US Speed Limits, truck routes, bike routes, access

2010-03-06 Thread Paul Johnson
Alan Mintz wrote: 1. How should one tag suggested speeds (usually around curves) like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MUTCD_W1-4.svg with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Advisory_Curve_Speed_English_25.svg ? Should I tag them as maxspeed=*? I can see being cited for exceeding it

Re: [Tagging] US Speed Limits, truck routes, bike routes, access

2010-03-06 Thread Paul Johnson
Roy Wallace wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: Several issues with relation to speed limits: 1. How should one tag suggested speeds (usually around curves) ... ... Should I tag them as maxspeed=*? The wiki says maxspeed is for the

Re: [Tagging] US Speed Limits, truck routes, bike routes, access

2010-03-07 Thread Paul Johnson
Randy wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: The school zone ends where the next speed zone starts. I'm not sure what FHWA's thinking was with the End School Zone sign (what about traffic that doesn't remember what the previous speed zone was because they turned into the school zone at a midpoint

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aerobridge

2010-03-31 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:54:14 +0200, David Wille wrote: Sorry for that I write this mail again. Forgot to copy my message in. Link to the Proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/aerobridge Short description: Aerobridges should be tagged and rendered, because they

Re: [Tagging] Counting lanes: include merging or turn lanes?

2010-07-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 19:21:36 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-07-04 13:41, Alan Millar wrote: How are people using the lanes tag on motorways? Do you count the on/off ramps that come and go? Generally, no. On a lot of the freeways near me, they have two main driving lanes on each

Re: [Tagging] Highway services operator

2010-07-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:47:04 +0200, Stefano Pallicca wrote: On the wiki [0] I found the operator tag to describe the operator of a certain service area. Now what is this tag supposed to describe? The fuel station operator? The restaurant/bar/fast food operator? Other? May other

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:48:49 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I think the two of you are using different definitions of access restrictions. The ones that are implied by motorway relate to whether certain vehicles (such as bicycles or shoes) can access the road, while a surface expressway (and

[Tagging] Living streets in the United States

2010-08-07 Thread Paul Johnson
After having come across a few ways tagged highway=living_street in Troutdale, Oregon; I have to wonder what exactly would qualify such a street as a living street given that we have no such classification in the Americas? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:20:33 +0100, Richard Mann wrote: Most of these call themselves vineyards http://www.englishwineproducers.com/scvineyard.htm Do they actually have a vineyard on site? At least locally (US:OR), a winery can't call itself a vineyard unless they're growing their grapes

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:19:01 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 28 July 2010 13:51, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: there is a whole suite of emergency related things that are not currently handled, for example, in the US, EMS services are frequently housed separately from fire

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:33:41 -0400, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Daniel Tremblay tremb...@gmail.com wrote: Is a 90km/h primary road safe bikeable? I know people who would be willing to ride a bicycle on a 55 mph primary road with no shoulder and one lane in each direction

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Extra details for postboxes

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 04:56:14 +0100, vclaw wrote: Maybe these styles are specific to the UK (and other Commonwealth countries), what type of postboxes are used elsewhere in the world? More values can be added if desired. I don't even bother trying to tag what kind of box it is, given that we

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:56:20 +0100, Richard Mann wrote: cycleway=shoulder looks like a good idea for those countries that routinely have a wide shoulder on country roads (I've seen them in Ireland; they aren't common in the UK) Is it really a cycleway, though? If not, it doesn't deserve the

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:38:10 -0400, Daniel Tremblay wrote: My need is to give cyclists more info when preparing their rides on road that are not cycleway (nor NCN, RCN, LCN). I saw the tag rtc_rate but not find it very intuitive. The way I've been handling this is to stretch the limits of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:30:14 +0100, Dave F. wrote: Why? What advantages does it bring? It's not going forward just splitting stepping sideways. What's wrong with have lot's of amenities? Do you generally consider fire equipment in the same category as restrooms and tourist information,

Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:40:55 -0700, Alan Millar wrote: On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 11:20 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: After having come across a few ways tagged highway=living_street in Troutdale, Oregon; I have to wonder what exactly would qualify such a street as a living street given that we have

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:58:12 +0100, Richard Mann wrote: The traditional layer=0 / layer=1+bridge=yes / layer=0 tagging is unaltered (the renderer sees the bridge=yes and suppresses end caps). The main place you end up changing the tags is for grade-separated junctions, for example: Don't tag

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:43:38 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: In Australia the ambulance service is a completely different organisation to fire and police and I can almost bet some would be tagged amenity=ambulance or

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:27:49 -0700, Simon Biber wrote: From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Did I miss anything currently being mentioned in this or the fire hydrant thread? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Emergency I note you've changed ambulance stations and

Re: [Tagging] Road closed in wet weather

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:46:06 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 2 August 2010 19:39, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: This has nothing to do with weather conditions, but a stupid driver ignoring signed warnings. Perhaps not the best example of what Liz was thinking of, however this is a

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:29:59 +0100, Richard Mann wrote: You can drive on some cycle lanes [citation needed] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:56:53 +0200, fly wrote: Am 29.07.2010 14:38, schrieb Daniel Tremblay: My need is to give cyclists more info when preparing their rides on road that are not cycleway (nor NCN, RCN, LCN). I saw the tag rtc_rate but not find it very intuitive. We need this kind of tags

Re: [Tagging] Tagging U-Turns (Was: [OSM-talk] Divided/Non-Divided Intersection)

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:18:23 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: Tag where it's signed, which is generally the exception to the default. In places where the law is no-U-turn by default, I would expect to see U-turn OK signs where they are allowed. In places where the law is that U-turns are allowed by

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:59:43 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: On 02/08/2010 17:28, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Anthonyo...@inbox.org wrote: If I wanted the list of colors to be controlled and finite I'd use a check constraint. By the way, if I were going to use a separate

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants - Timber Merchant

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:57:40 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 31 July 2010 19:46, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: I have expanded it a bit to help motivate trade for those who haven't seen this thread. Surely wood is redundant given timber_yard? There are specialty places that sell

Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:33:27 +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Maybe US law just hopes that driver would be very reasonable and won't charge at 60 in a backyard :) Clearly you have never encountered someone who is guilty of driving while Californian...

Re: [Tagging] tagging bus stops served by more than one public transportation agency

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
Why not tag the bus stop generically, and make it a member of route relations for the routes that serve the stop? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:50:02 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Shoulders are actually more important to pedestrians than cyclists. A good cyclist won't care

Re: [Tagging] Living streets in the United States

2010-08-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:10:29 +0200, Pieren wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: From the wiki it looks like something smaller or more restricted than a regular residential street, but bigger than a driveway. It's not smaller, physically it's

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:41:21 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:26:42 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Bike lanes aren't exclusive either - cars move into them to turn right (in right-hand-drive

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-08-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:31:33 +0100, Dave F. wrote: On 08/08/2010 20:07, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:27:49 -0700, Simon Biber wrote: From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Did I miss anything currently being mentioned in this or the fire hydrant thread? http

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:08:20 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 08/08/2010 20:40, Paul Johnson wrote: The way I've been handling this is to stretch the limits of the bicycle=destination tag; if it's more major than

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

2010-08-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:27:30 -0400, Anthony wrote: But it's not effectively the same thing. If it were, sharrows wouldn't have ever been invented. Not true, the old-style BIKE ROUTE signs no longer appear in the current MUTCD (thus are being phased out nationwide). Sharrows and bicycle

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

2010-08-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:01:09 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: He wasn’t saying that bicycle=designated is always a sharrow, but that a sharrow is effectively the same thing as a sign saying “bike route”. They’re both ways of marking something as a designated route for bicycles. I don't agree with

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] National Forest trail numbering

2010-08-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 00:03:17 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: For Forest Highways (generally major paved roads): ref=FH nn (e.g. name=Angeles Crest Highway + ref=FH 61). For Forest Roads/Routes/Truck Trails: ref=FR yDxx (e.g. name=Upper Monroe Road + ref=FR 2N16) For Forest Trails: ref=FT yDxx (e.g.

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] National Forest trail numbering

2010-08-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:44:58 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-08-17 02:19, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 00:03:17 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: For Forest Highways (generally major paved roads): ref=FH nn (e.g. name=Angeles Crest Highway + ref=FH 61). For Forest Roads/Routes/Truck

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:51:49 -0400, Anthony wrote: I apologize for not being more clear. By please don't do that I do not mean to revert all instances of Paul using bicycle=destination. I hope you will take a look at your uses of bicycle=destination yourself, and self-revert any places where

Re: [Tagging] Tagging individual properties?

2010-08-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:18:30 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 19 August 2010 23:09, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: I'm curious, what would be the best way to tag the boundaries of individual properties? Or SHOULD I even attempt this? A way to do this would be to map any fence lines marking

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-08-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:26:41 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: You need to understand that your interpretation of the law is probably wrong, and listen to sources such as the Bicycle Transportation Alliance, whose email I copied to this list. Rather than trusting a bunch of non-lawyers over at

Re: [Tagging] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)

2010-10-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On 10/16/2010 08:46 AM, Richard Weait wrote: So, highways and road culture play a large role in the life of many North Americans, there are even songs that we know like Route 66, and Highway 61 that show affection for specific roads. I wonder if it's worth the trouble and effort to maintain

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-10-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On 10/17/2010 05:40 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Also redirecting drive_thru=yes to drive_in seems very wrong. A drive through and a drive in are very different in my experience. Then there's Sonic, which is a drive-in chain where some locations also have a drive-through. signature.asc

Re: [Tagging] Paper streets?

2010-10-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On 10/19/2010 03:15 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Unless you can foresee the future, you can't say for sure whether or not a given paper street will be built. All you can say for sure is that a street has been planned and hasn't been built _yet_. Sure you can, the Portland area is a wonderful

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] stop signs

2010-10-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On 10/26/2010 09:17 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Adam Schreiber sadam-pwfglq4rzxkvc3sceru...@public.gmane.org wrote: I think that 4-way and 3-way stops can be handled unambiguously by highway=stop. More complex stops should probably be modeled with turn

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] stop signs

2010-10-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On 10/27/2010 08:26 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/10/27 j...@jfeldredge.com: I have never seen a stop sign at a railroad crossing. Buses are required by law to stop before a railroad crossing, and open the bus door so that the driver can better hear if a train is approaching. Some

Re: [Tagging] Difference between footway and pedestrian

2010-10-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On 10/26/2010 04:19 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: Hello all: There are two values highway=footway and highway=pedestrian and I do not know which are the differences between them. The wiki does not contain a decisive difference mark. Look in Portland, Oregon around the Rose Garden

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] stop signs

2010-10-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On 10/27/2010 10:24 AM, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/27 Anthony o...@inbox.org: One proposal for mapping stop signs is that the stop sign always faces opposite the nearest intersection. so let's discuss about

Re: [Tagging] levees

2010-10-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On 10/28/2010 05:24 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Is there a standard way to tag a levee? It seems that highway=track embankment=yes would work for the vast majority of cases, but there may be some that service vehicles can't drive on. Most levees don't have tracks or anything on top because

Re: [Tagging] url vs. website

2010-11-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On 11/03/2010 01:39 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: The mapfeatures declare that url should not be used and website should be used instead. Is this a common agreement? I find url used 3,5 times more often (260 000) then website (66 800) in the database. I don't think it's a common agreement by

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On 11/19/2010 07:40 AM, Richard Welty wrote: also truck prohibitions are not intended to prevent lawn services, delivery services (UPS, Fedex, the guy with the new refrigerator) and the like from carrying out normal business. This is true only if the Except Local Deliveries or similar add-on

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On 11/19/2010 06:20 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Richard Welty rwelty-Fu78d/dmhrmzesifbgk...@public.gmane.org wrote: On 11/19/10 1:25 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I agree that it makes more sense to have a separate tag for the weight limit. I would also

Re: [Tagging] Width of shop frontage

2010-11-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On 11/23/2010 02:08 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: How will it handle multiple businesses sharing the same street address? And then there's Portland, where anything with a door and a frontage gets an address, so a building might have a dozen addresses on four streets, though the common address

Re: [Tagging] New tag?

2010-12-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On 12/17/2010 06:21 AM, Diego Woitasen wrote: Hi, I started to contribute to OSM a few weeks a ago. I have question. In Argentina we have an special car service (I think this exists in other countries, but I'm not sure) called remis o remisse. It's similar to taxis but the cars (with

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] refs describing routes instead of ways

2010-12-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On 12/20/2010 02:51 PM, Toby Murray wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Paul Johnson baloo-PVOPTusIyP/sroww+9z...@public.gmane.org wrote: I'm wondering why we still are trying the whole describe the route on the way method of handling the ref= tag on ways. Because it is currently

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] refs describing routes instead of ways

2010-12-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On 12/22/2010 01:47 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Paul Johnson baloo-PVOPTusIyP/sroww+9z...@public.gmane.org wrote: On 12/20/2010 02:41 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Paul Johnson baloo-PVOPTusIyP/sroww+9z...@public.gmane.org

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/01/2011 07:08 AM, Ed Hillsman wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Anthony osm at inbox.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging wrote: / Any suggestions how to tag this? // http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:IMG_7491.JPG/ If the lane is too narrow to function

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/01/2011 07:54 AM, Dave F. wrote: Is the adjacent path shared? if so, note that that would be the safer passage. Most states prohibit bicycles from sidewalks, or limit their speed to a walking speed on sidewalks, making them useless for bicyclists. That, and nobody expects vehicles to be

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/01/2011 01:28 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robert Elsenaar robert-Sr3mCESyW84k+I/owrr...@public.gmane.org wrote: hazard:bicycle is the other way round. If there is a key/value e.g. hazard=narrow then you can easily use cycleway:hazard=narrow to tag the

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/01/2011 10:52 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Greg Troxel gdt-2FjktZCtrC/qt0dzr+a...@public.gmane.org wrote: By trying to objectively tag the reality (not entirely possible of course), we also avoid all the debates about what is and isn't safe in general, and where

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On 12/31/2010 04:27 PM, Anthony wrote: Any suggestions how to tag this? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:IMG_7491.JPG As part of the existing way, just tag it cycleway=lane to indicate that there's a restricted lane reserved for bicycles. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/02/2011 10:41 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Paul Johnson baloo-PVOPTusIyP/sroww+9z...@public.gmane.org wrote: Not having a sense of depth, I'd guess in the narrow spot it's about 4 feet wide, which is, believe it or not, the federal minimum width for bike lanes

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/03/2011 08:11 AM, Dave F. wrote: On 03/01/2011 03:50, Paul Johnson wrote: On 01/01/2011 07:54 AM, Dave F. wrote: Is the adjacent path shared? if so, note that that would be the safer passage. Most states prohibit bicycles from sidewalks, or limit their speed to a walking speed

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/04/2011 08:46 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Paul Johnson baloo-PVOPTusIyP/sroww+9z...@public.gmane.org wrote: On 01/03/2011 08:11 AM, Dave F. wrote: On 03/01/2011 03:50, Paul Johnson wrote: On 01/01/2011 07:54 AM, Dave F. wrote: Is the adjacent path shared? if so

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency Traffic Signals

2011-01-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/12/2011 11:33 PM, James Mast wrote: I've created a proposal for Emergency Traffic Signals, which are typically found in front of fire stations and highway tunnels at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Emergency_Traffic_Signals emergency= is already in use for emergency

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency Traffic Signals

2011-01-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/12/2011 11:33 PM, James Mast wrote: I've created a proposal for Emergency Traffic Signals, which are typically found in front of fire stations and highway tunnels at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Emergency_Traffic_Signals Oh, and lift bridge signals aren't really

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency Traffic Signals

2011-01-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/13/2011 12:59 AM, John Smith wrote: On 13 January 2011 16:10, Paul Johnson baloo-PVOPTusIyP/sroww+9z...@public.gmane.org wrote: On 01/12/2011 11:33 PM, James Mast wrote: I've created a proposal for Emergency Traffic Signals, which are typically found in front of fire stations

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency Traffic Signals

2011-01-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/13/2011 10:06 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:33 AM, James Mast rickmastfan67-pkbjnfxxiarbdgjk7y7...@public.gmane.org wrote: I've created a proposal for Emergency Traffic Signals, which are typically found in front of fire stations and highway tunnels at

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency Traffic Signals

2011-01-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/24/2011 02:17 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 1/24/2011 2:53 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 01/23/2011 10:36 PM, John Smith wrote: On 24 January 2011 13:51, Nathan Edgars IIneroute2-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumwx3w-xmd5yjdbdmrexy1tmh2...@public.gmane.org wrote: We don't map only based on legal

Re: [Tagging] airport vs. aerodrome

2011-02-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/15/2011 07:02 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Have a look here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.16lon=-88.536zoom=10layers=M could you tell which are the more important ones? Not at first glance I guess. Why not map the airports in greater detail?

Re: [Tagging] Counterflow Lanes

2011-02-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/16/2011 11:59 PM, James Mast wrote: I'm just curious here, but is there a general consensus on how to tag roads that have 3+ lanes that have 1 or more lanes that change direction at certain times while still leaving at least one lane going in each direction? You know, kinda like the

Re: [Tagging] Counterflow Lanes

2011-02-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/19/2011 06:24 PM, Paul Norman wrote: The Massey Tunnel is currently tagged with oneway=no on the reversible section and through the tunnel itself. For the reversible sections (that lead up to the tunnel) they really alternate between oneway=-1, oneway=yes and access=no. For the two

Re: [Tagging] Counterflow Lanes

2011-02-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/19/2011 08:08 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/19/2011 7:24 PM, Paul Norman wrote: The Massey Tunnel is currently tagged with oneway=no on the reversible section and through the tunnel itself. For the reversible sections (that lead up to the tunnel) they really alternate between

Re: [Tagging] Counterflow Lanes

2011-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/20/2011 08:57 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 2/20/11 8:51 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 02/19/2011 08:08 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Don't we want to break existing consumers if they might route people the wrong way down a one-way highway? This whole question suggests that we're somehow

Re: [Tagging] place=city name=Tri-Cities

2011-02-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/23/2011 10:06 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/876536239 There's no city named Tri-Cities; this is the name of the metropolitan area that comprises Pasco, Kennewick, and Richland. I assume there's no defensible reason to keep it tagged as such, but

Re: [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/24/2011 07:18 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: In the US there are two long federally-maintained roads, the Blue Ridge Parkway and Natchez Trace Parkway, that were built for the sole purpose of sightseeing. Since they are surrounded by a narrow strip

Re: [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/24/2011 11:30 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: That's not what trunk means - it's supposed to have significant motorway features, like some degree of limited access, very few lights, and very few at-grade intersections. There are bits of Memorial Drive that begin to approach that, but

Re: [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/24/2011 07:44 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/24/2011 8:26 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 02/24/2011 11:30 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: That's *one* thing trunk means. Trunk is also used as a higher classification than primary. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trunk Exactly. Right

Re: [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/25/2011 01:18 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/25/2011 2:03 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 02/24/2011 07:44 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/24/2011 8:26 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 02/24/2011 11:30 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: That's *one* thing trunk means. Trunk is also used as a higher

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