Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 13:28 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/11/2012 4:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: If sidewalks were tagged without the highway tag, routing would continue to work like it does for everybody Except when a motorway has a sidewalk. Do motorways ever have a sidewalk?

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 19:50 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/11/2012 7:17 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 13:28 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/11/2012 4:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: If sidewalks were tagged without the highway tag, routing would continue

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 06:43 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/20/2012 5:50 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 20.04.2012 10:46, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area.

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 12:33 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: If an odd number, assume a center turn lane (e.g. lanes=5 means 2 forward, 2 backward, 1 center). You cannot assume that, many 3 lane roads have a 'chicken' lane. Where the centre lane is used for overtaking by traffic in either direction.

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 09:09 +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: For motorways and trunks I would not add any assumptions, because they simply differ too much. Can we agree on that? +1 Very much agree with you there. Trunks in particular can vary enormously, from practically motorway standard roads

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 15:31 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 21 Apr 2012 um 13:23 schrieb Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: However OSM does not allow anything other than tagging as 3 lanes, so the above is probably irrelevant to OSM You can Tag lanes:forward

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 14:08 +0200, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: Am 21.04.2012 um 13:34 schrieb Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi: ...What I don't really care if it is called lanes=1.5 or lanes=1/2+some_other_agreed_tag_which_is_not_an_estimated_width=x, but simply saying that

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 20:02 +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: Am 21.04.2012 um 19:11 schrieb Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: The distinction used by OS is width is more than 4m or less than 4m. And what happens if width IS 4m? The words the use are 'generally more than 4m wide

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Please could someone confirm what Spitsstrook is? It looks like use of the hard shoulder on managed sections of motorway, but I cannot read dutch. We have these on the M6 and M42. Thanks Phil On 26/04/2012 10:30 Martin Vonwald wrote: To give you an advance warning: the updated article is

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
Through observations I can see that there is a minimum width for lane marking in the UK. I am not sure what the value is, but have seen sections of road where lines end where the road narrows. Will try to find an example. I am not sure I would want to add a lanes tag where the width falls below

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:01 +, Philip Barnes wrote: Through observations I can see that there is a minimum width for lane marking in the UK. I am not sure what the value is, but have seen sections of road where lines end where the road narrows. Will try to find an example. Sorry its

Re: [Tagging] roundhouses tagging

2012-04-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-04-30 at 18:36 +0300, Mihkel Rämmel wrote: Should railway roundhouses be tagged railway=roundhouse (as suggested on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Droundhouse) or as building=roundhouse? Or both? And how would you tag an old roundhouse that is nowadays used for

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 13:30 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing

Re: [Tagging] day_on / day_off question

2012-05-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 20:58 +0200, Jørgen Elgaard Larsen wrote: Martijn van Exel wrote: See my current try at this here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/33973144 First of all, you should not use motor_vehicle=private. That does *not* mean private vehicles, but rather that motor

Re: [Tagging] addr

2012-05-08 Thread Philip Barnes
I believe there is an address locallity which can be used in this case. Why city though? Isn't posttown more correct, not every address contains the name of city. Mine for example, Shrewsbury. It is a large town, but not a city. To be a city it would require a cathedral. Phil On 08/05/2012

Re: [Tagging] addr

2012-05-08 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 12:05 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: In general, the world considers a city to be a very large town. In the UK (and possibly other places) the concept of city has specific connotations, namely the granting of Letters Patent by the Crown (a cathedral is not a prerequisite, nor

Re: [Tagging] beer details, draught beer

2012-05-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 21:11 +0100, Graham Jones wrote: There was a similar discussion on the UK list last year when we were making our BrewMap. I think we settled on real_ale=yes, but I suspect that was more on the basis that draught beer was an expectation and we wanted to know if it was

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 17:43 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I've started tagging local mini_roundabouts with mountable=yes/no. Most have trees and are obviously not. But I'm not exactly sure where the line is. Should one with a low curb, more like a gutter, be considered a true

Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page

2012-05-13 Thread Philip Barnes
haberdashery is probably the most correct. Luggage may be more useful as that type of shop will usually also sell suitcases. Bag shop just sounds wrong. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 13/05/2012 11:38 Mihkel Rämmel wrote: Someone (Suslikk) has recently added shop=bag shop=haberdashery

Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page

2012-05-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 17:37 +, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: Since Haberdashery doesn't have it's own wiki page an(d) is quite an complicated word may I ask: Wtf is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haberdasher Haberdashery is a shop, or a section of a department store selling sewing

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 10:30 -0400, Anthony wrote: 2) entering traffic must yield; and Not always. In France there are still a few where traffic on the roundabout gives way to traffic joining the roundabout. Isn't the Arc De Triomphe the most famous 'old style'. Phil

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-05-19 at 01:51 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/5/18 Anthony o...@inbox.org: The key word there, I think, is *intersections*. A roundabout should be an intersection, not a bunch of separate intersections. If you're going to expand it to the point where you have traffic

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-05-17 at 18:07 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: If anyone doubts that existing tagging does not match the wiki, see the following examples, all tagged as junction=roundabout by editors other than me: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5677217

Re: [Tagging] Update of article highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 13:43 -0400, Anthony wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: I'll just want to let you know, that I reworked the article about mini-roundabouts and want to update it within the next days. You can find it here:

Re: [Tagging] New access tag value needed?

2012-05-31 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 14:41 +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: 2012/5/31 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-17530125 (lorry stuck on very tight corner) This is tagged hgv=unsuitable in OSM

Re: [Tagging] New access tag value needed?

2012-06-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 19:02 +0200, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: Am 01.06.2012 um 15:01 schrieb Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: On 01/06/2012 14:19, Jason Cunningham wrote: On 1 June 2012 08:09, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: But we have to make sure, that this

Re: [Tagging] New access tag value needed?

2012-06-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-06-02 at 09:08 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: Here's an example of the same type of sign in Australia http://goo.gl/maps/Pao1 That looks more like a prohibited sign, rather than advisory. Phil ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-06-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 11:05 +0200, sabas88 wrote: Hi, I started discussing in the local list about the approach in tagging ferry routes. The wiki page [0] seems a little bit unclear, leaving two approaches: -normal way between harbours -relation like a normal road. I tried to follow the

Re: [Tagging] Mapping larger Mini-roundabouts

2012-06-06 Thread Philip Barnes
Diameter is more universally understood by the layman than radius. Radius is normally only used by engineers, scientists and mathematicians. Plus it keeps us from having to map fractions. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/06/2012 13:07 Andrew Errington wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 18:32:59

Re: [Tagging] Mapping larger Mini-roundabouts

2012-06-06 Thread Philip Barnes
refuse to try measuring the ones on the A53 with a tape measure ;) Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/06/2012 13:36 Andrew Errington wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:21:56 Philip Barnes wrote: Diameter is more universally understood by the layman than radius. You and I both seem to understand

Re: [Tagging] Mapping larger Mini-roundabouts

2012-06-06 Thread Philip Barnes
There are lots that have 2m diameter, 1m radius, such as this pair in Loggerheads http://goo.gl/NknP. Have seen some smaller but can't place any from memory. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/06/2012 14:26 Richard Welty wrote: On 6/6/12 9:06 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: Mini roundabouts

Re: [Tagging] Mapping larger Mini-roundabouts

2012-06-06 Thread Philip Barnes
My mistake, http://goo.gl/maps/NknP Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/06/2012 15:15 Richard Welty wrote: On 6/6/12 10:03 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: There are lots that have 2m diameter, 1m radius, such as this pair in Loggerheads http://goo.gl/NknP. Have seen some smaller but can't place

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the conditions debate

2012-06-14 Thread Philip Barnes
The other usage of the term agricultural is the type of vehicle. In the UK agricultural vehicles are prohibited on motorways due to their slow speeds. But a farmer could use his Land Rover on a motorway as it is a car being used for agriculture. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 14/06/2012

Re: [Tagging] What tag(s) for a school canteen ?

2012-06-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-06-18 at 14:24 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/6/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: All in title (question seen on our local forum) amenity=restaurant + access=private ? Pieren is it a restaurant type canteen? Usually I'd tend to think fast_food if thinking of

Re: [Tagging] Ref tag

2012-06-19 Thread Philip Barnes
There is no ferry between Kingston upon Hull and Esbjerg. An alternative ferry is available from Harwich (350 km/220 mi from Kingston upon Hull) to Esbjerg. A well thought out route? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 19/06/2012 11:46 Colin Smale wrote: Strictly speaking the international

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-26 Thread Philip Barnes
I was going to point you at the M6 around Walsall, but having looked at it I am even more confused. Some ways are tagged maxspeed 70mph, some are tagged as maxspeed signals, and a section is 110kmh which is clearly very wrong. I will correct and email the mapper. Am not sure of purely using

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
+1 Real time estimates are best handled by TMS, or similar. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 27/06/2012 15:40 Janko Mihelić wrote: 2012/6/27 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org To be able to display a range, or estimate the correct value when other data (such as speed limits that vary

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-28 Thread Philip Barnes
The lowest variable speed limit I have seen on a UK motorway is 40 mph, but that doesn't mean it can't go lower. I do not believe that there is a defined minimum on motorways, rather it is up to the discretion of the police, I'd they deem you are going to slowly they will escort you off. Phil

Re: [Tagging] Tagging u-turn restriction with continuous painted line

2012-07-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 15:40 -0400, Anthony wrote: On Jul 3, 2012 8:57 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/7/3 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: In France, a solid line means do not cross. It is more than do not overtake. +1, I guess it's the same

Re: [Tagging] Tagging u-turn restriction with continuous painted line

2012-07-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 16:36 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: However, whether or not U-turns are allowed at all varies from place to place. Some towns categorically forbid U-turns; some allow them only where signs state they are allowed; some allow them except where signs forbid them;

Re: [Tagging] Tagging u-turn restriction with continuous painted line

2012-07-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-07-07 at 09:04 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 16:36 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: However, whether or not U-turns are allowed at all varies from place to place. Some towns categorically forbid U

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 07:20 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Janko Mihelić wrote: I don't know if this is for consideration, but the word potable is not very known outside english speaking countries Or even inside them! I've never heard anyone use it in everyday speech. If I did I'd think

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 17:41 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/7/12 Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com: On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:21:34 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Can we introduce potable=yes/no and migrate both of those tags to it over time? this issue was already discussed 5

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-13 Thread Philip Barnes
+1 Apart from a water company person, I have never heard anyone use potable, in English it is jargon used in the industry. My understanding came from recognising a French word. Workplace taps are labelled as either drinking water, or not drinking water. I have never seen potable used. Phil --

Re: [Tagging] sports_centre

2012-07-16 Thread Philip Barnes
Sports centres are usually big, often municipal with a swimming pool and the like. In the UK the smaller places you are describing would be called gyms. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 16/07/2012 9:07 Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I think there is a discrepancy between what the Mapnik style

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Escalators and Moving Walkways

2012-07-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 17:51 +0200, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi. Probably add access as a useful combination to it: often shopping cars, strollers, roller skates, bikes etc. are forbidden on escalators explicitely How about skis? Sorry I couldn't resist, this guy is a touch-in short of an

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 11:43 -0400, David ``Smith'' wrote: Just contributing another data point on vocabulary… I am a native English speaker from Ohio, USA. I have been aware of the term potable for many years, probably since asking what it meant after seeing a water source labeled

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?

2012-07-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-07-27 at 08:28 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2012-07-27 06:54, Werner Poppele wrote: In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. Is that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems to be not quite correct IMHO. taginfo

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-07-31 Thread Philip Barnes
-Dunlaoghaire ferry, where several mappers have done what I have done (fix routing), and the same mapper has come back and again tagged the access ramp/roads as private thus destroying the mapping, will keep an eye on it. Phil On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 12:22 +0200, sabas88 wrote: 2012/6/3 Philip

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-08-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 00:22 -0400, David ``Smith'' wrote: I think access=fee, or access=yes + fee=yes would be appropriate. How do access=fee compare with access=customers in existing usage? (I tried to look it up myself on tagwatch, but my phone didn't like it much) The entry barriers were

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 11:42 +, MilošKomarčević wrote: Tobias Knerr osm@... writes: On 02.08.2012 12:56, MilošKomarčević wrote: name=* without any context of what language is recorded in it is one of the biggest fallacies of OSM i18n and needs to be addressed. You need to

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-08-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 19:00 +, Janko Mihelić wrote: Ferries are a bit like motorways with tolls, but I don't know what is used on motorways around the world. Fee=yes? 'barrier=toll booth' is used for motorway tolls, and for access to ferry terminals, these work fine. The problem I was

Re: [Tagging] Railway stations not for passenger use

2012-08-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-08-04 at 10:40 +0100, Miloš Komarčević wrote: Hi, Couldn't find anything on the wiki, is there a more granular scheme for tagging railway stations/halts? E.g. how to distinguish form stations/halts that are for public transport (passenger use) vs. strictly cargo, service,

Re: [Tagging] on the name of a tag for landcover

2012-08-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 16:11 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: Yes, if animals are intended to graze on the grass, if the grass will be harvested for use as fodder (what my earlier message termed a hay field), or if sod will subsequently be transplanted elsewhere (a sod farm), then the grass

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 15:04 +0200, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 19.08.2012 14:09, Markus Lindholm wrote: On 19 August 2012 11:44, Fabrizio Carrai fabrizio.car...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed a Divider=solid_line proposal [3] was already presented . I'm would revamp such proposal. What is your

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 11:44 +0200, Fabrizio Carrai wrote: After a short discussion on the italian talk, I would move the discussion in this list. After some tests with OSRM, I missed the availability of a tag to mark the continuos (or discontinued) line that divide the lanes in several single

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 13:39 +0200, Markus Lindholm wrote: On 20 August 2012 13:25, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Isn't that what turn restrictions are for? No. Turn restrictions restrict from which highway object to which highway object one can traverse, they can't tell

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 12:57 +0200, Markus Lindholm wrote: On 20 August 2012 09:39, Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-08-19 at 14:09:18 +0200, Markus Lindholm wrote: In my opinion it's best to treat legal separation (i.e. solid_line) the same way as physical

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-20 Thread Philip Barnes
my Nokia N9 On 20/08/2012 13:09 Peter Wendorff wrote: Am 20.08.2012 13:58, schrieb Philip Barnes: On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 13:39 +0200, Markus Lindholm wrote: On 20 August 2012 13:25, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Isn't that what turn restrictions are for? No. Turn restrictions

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-20 Thread Philip Barnes
Then it is up to the driver to follow the rules, and allow the router to re-plan. Mapping to this level is really a non-starter, mapping every solid line is not going to happen. On rural trunk roads they are just frequent, ass they are used to prevent overtaking on bends, and there are a lot

[Tagging] Ford = depreciated?

2012-08-25 Thread Philip Barnes
Have just spotted this changeset whilst looking through changes near me? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12837424 Why has Ford been depreciated? It is the correct definition, and the word used on road signs. A google search revealed this wiki page

Re: [Tagging] Ford = depreciated?

2012-08-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 21:49 +0900, Andrew Errington wrote: I remember this happening, and it seemed like a Good Thing at the time, although I had only mapped one ford. It was suggested that highway=ford should be deprecated and replaced with ford=yes. So ford itself is not lost, it has

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 20:30 +0200, Erik Johansson wrote: On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 26/08/2012 08:42, Markus Lindholm wrote: Also, no one has offered any other solution to the routing issue. The divider tag has been proposed, but I think

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - man_made=kiln

2012-08-30 Thread Philip Barnes
Not really the same, the tag could be referring to a communal oven, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_oven. A kiln is a different, more industrial thing. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 30/08/2012 14:18 Pieren wrote: We already have 72 man_made=oven counted by taginfo. Is that not the

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Philip Barnes
Are relations supported by OSRM and other routers? On traditional maps ferrys are drawn as a single line for each route, if merged into a single way, how does the user viewing OSM on a screen work out where a ferry goes to and from? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 05/09/2012 12:58 Janko

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread Philip Barnes
In that case they go to different terminals. Duration is often longer at night on some crossings to allow passengers time to sleep. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 07/09/2012 14:00 John Sturdy wrote: There may be more than one duration of trip on the same route --- for example,

Re: [Tagging] Fishing allowed?

2012-09-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 14:05 +0100, Jonathan Bennett wrote: On 10/09/2012 12:36, te...@free.fr wrote: I would like to store information about the legality of fishing a lake, a river, etc. Is there already any tag with such a meaning? fishing=yes/no ? fishing=yes/no/permit

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 21:03 +0100, Rob Nickerson wrote: Although I don't know the history of the access tag, I would expect that designated and permissive might have something to do with Public Rights of Way in the UK: I think they refer to England and Wales. Scotland has different access

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 00:40 +0200, André Pirard wrote: On 2012-09-13 23:38, Steve Doerr wrote : On 13/09/2012 21:00, St Niklaas wrote: What about Asylum, for all animals and a tag for the spieces, cats, dags, horses or guinea pigs ? That word has different connotations in

Re: [Tagging] amenity=kennel

2012-09-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 03:12 +0200, Alberto wrote: Ok, because according to English native speakers there isn't a single word that indicates a facility where animals are kept and the staff feeds them and cares of them, I propose to change from amenity=kennel to amenity=animal_shelter. In Italy

Re: [Tagging] amenity=kennel

2012-09-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 19:10 +1000, Ross Scanlon wrote: Animal shelter appropriate in those cases, but not in the case of Boarding Kennels, or Boarding Catteries where you take your pet to be cared for whilst you go on holiday. For these I would propose amenity=boarding_kennel and

Re: [Tagging] amenity=veterinary: size and animals

2012-09-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 11:22 +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! The tag amenity=veterinary is used for veterinaries. But there exists not (documented) possibility to tag the size of the facility or what animals are treated. Taginfo shows that a very limited time the size was tagged with

Re: [Tagging] Precise and terse tracing

2012-09-17 Thread Philip Barnes
Surely a lift gate on a motorway will be a tollgate? If you do map a lift gate make sure you tag access = yes, otherwise routers will stall at that point. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 17/09/2012 14:21 te...@free.fr wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com said: I think that

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Philip Barnes
-1 The restriction applies to all nodes within the area, not just passing the sign. I do not think a node is appropriate in this case. I suspect this should be a relation. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 17/09/2012 15:04 Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! 2012/9/17 André Pirard

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 17:33 +0200, André Pirard wrote: On 2012-09-17 16:57, David ``Smith'' wrote : Excuse me if I don't understand the situation entirely, but I think the problem is the actual access restriction or enforcement of it is different from a literal reading of the signs. This

Re: [Tagging] Animal_shelter, multiple semicolon separated values?

2012-09-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 09:46 +0100, Chris Hill wrote: On 19/09/12 23:16, Alberto wrote: Hi everybody, what do you think about using multiple comma separated values in a key (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Semi-colon_value_separator)? In particular about the new proposal

[Tagging] Historic road numbering?

2012-09-23 Thread Philip Barnes
Is there a means of tagging the old road numbers for a road that has been declassified? Sometimes you are not in a hurry and just want to go the old way, the way people went before bypasses, motorways and interstates. Something like: highway=secondary ref=B5478 ref_historic=A49 or

Re: [Tagging] Historic road numbering?

2012-09-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-09-23 at 12:30 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Philip Barnes wrote: Is there a means of tagging the old road numbers for a road that has been declassified? http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/old_ref cheers Richard Thanks guys, that looks like the tag I am looking

Re: [Tagging] Turn Restrictions

2012-10-07 Thread Philip Barnes
I would have expected Japan to share the No U Turns sign with the UK and Australia, as they drive on the left. Phil ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Difficult passability

2012-10-08 Thread Philip Barnes
Please set up a discussion page within the OSM wiki, it is not acceptable to use google for such proposals. It excludes many OSM contributors from commenting. The proposal looks to me to be over complex and could deter new mappers, difficulty is very subjective. Other parts of the proposal

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Difficult passability

2012-10-09 Thread Philip Barnes
with OsmAnd -for example- and when you arrive, see that already it doesn't exist) Or we may deter someone from walking a perfectly clear path. Phil 2012/10/8 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk Please set up a discussion page within the OSM wiki, it is not acceptable to use

Re: [Tagging] Narrow Bridge (was: Reconstructing «Dificult passability» proposal to «Obstacle»)

2012-10-13 Thread Philip Barnes
I can see nothing wrong with tagging a single track road as lanes =1. Single track roads are rarely the same width along their entire length, and the term will be understood by UK drivers. Usual width is, I would guess, between 2.5 and 3 metres, but this varies. Sometimes, but not often there

Re: [Tagging] Narrow Bridge (was: Reconstructing «Dificult passability» proposal to «Obstacle»)

2012-10-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 22:19 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: The standard English term for a bridge that is only wide enough for one vehicle to pass through at a time is a one-lane bridge. In the same way, a roadway only wide enough for one vehicle at a time is a one-lane road. The bridge

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Obstacle

2012-10-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 11:59 +, John Sturdy wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: There is already a specification, to whom it is an obstacle (obstacle:car, ...) maybe we could have an additional obstacle:waterway for all waterbased

Re: [Tagging] Photo needed: Bus/PSV lane with time restriction

2012-10-31 Thread Philip Barnes
Have not got one, but will be able to take some on Friday. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 31/10/2012 9:50 Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! For the wiki I'm looking for a signpost that dedicates a lane to PSVs/buses at some specific time, i.e. a lane can be used by general traffic except from

Re: [Tagging] Exclusive access rights

2012-10-31 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 18:56 +0100, Johan C wrote: I don't think I understand both responses (Georg/Martin). Why should a hgv and a psv use 'a kind of' motor_vehicle? According to the map features motor_vehicle is used for: 'Access permission for motor cars and motorcycles.' A bus or a

Re: [Tagging] waste_disposal, recycling etc.

2012-11-07 Thread Philip Barnes
I would prefer to see non-recyclable, or landfill rather than trash. Trash is American, not English and I, and I'm sure many others cannot hear or read it without visions of the ending of the Waltons. Goodnight Mary Ellen Goodnight Jim Bob John Boy take out the trash. Phil Sent from my Nokia N9

Re: [Tagging] Fuel, additional tags

2012-11-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 20:00 +, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 12/11/2012 19:27, Jo wrote: The dye added is not the common denominator. We need the British term for the tax break status of it. Two common terms in use are: marked diesel and agricultural diesel. In the UK its usually called

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-11-18 at 19:08 +0100, Johan C wrote: On http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction you can find the following description on the exit_to tag. 'exit_to=* should be used to detail the destinations where the junction exits to—for example, if signage states a

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-11-18 at 20:20 +0100, malenki wrote: What is the use of tagging some examples where one road connects to when there is a system-inherent focus on finding such connections automagically (this one is called Routing)? I'd like to have examples, please I found this one by

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-11-18 at 21:26 +0100, Colin Smale wrote: Phil, there's a difference between routing calculation (which neither knows nor cares about road names, numbers, signposts etc) and how the result of the calculation is presented to the user. Then you need to relate the nodes/edges in

Re: [Tagging] Differences between crop and produce?

2012-11-19 Thread Philip Barnes
Maize is a rarely used word in British English these days, you see corn on the cob sold in supermarkets, not maize. The only place you see the word maize used is for maize mazes, because it sounds good. For once I would go with the American corn here. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 12:14 -0600, John F. Eldredge wrote: In the USA, all-way stop signs are used at intersections where all of the roads in question have equal priority, and the expected traffic volume is small enough that you won't have a large backlog of traffic waiting to go through.

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
I would avoid public, when tagging schools as it had very different meanings on each side of the Atlantic. I would suggest state and private. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 25/11/2012 23:58 Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Is this information something that should be placed in a geodatabase

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
I think that is very country specific, not something that can be tagged worldwide. In the UK, beyond speed limits, there are no rule differences between urban and rural roads. However you have me curious, how do you see the rules as different? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/11/2012

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Have we an alternative? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/11/2012 12:19 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/11/26 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Philip Barnes j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I would avoid public, when tagging schools as it had very different meanings on each side

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
In the UK public schools are expensive fee paying private schools, such as Eaton, Harrow etc. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/11/2012 12:24 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/11/26 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: Have we an alternative? Could you expand on what is the problem

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Government sounds good to me. It works for either local or national government. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/11/2012 12:40 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/11/26 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: In the UK public schools are expensive fee paying private schools, such as Eaton

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horseriders. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/11/2012 13:50 Craig Wallace wrote: On 26/11/2012 11:25, Philip Barnes wrote: I think that is very country specific, not something that can be tagged worldwide. In the UK, beyond speed

Re: [Tagging] How to solve the problem with relation overload?

2012-11-30 Thread Philip Barnes
Does anyone else find that editing ways with relations slows potlatch to a crawl? I find that there is a long delay when ever I do anything to them? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 30/11/2012 10:02 Richard Mann wrote: Try using Potlatch On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Martin Vonwald

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