Re: [Tagging] Love Hotel

2010-01-07 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/7/10 7:10 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Arlindo Pereira wrote: Hi there, 5 months ago I started scratching a new tag amenity=love_hotel [1]. Since there was no recent activity, I think it's time to call your attention one more time to it and start voting. What do you think of it? The

Re: [Tagging] Easy question: _link tags for U turn/cut throughs?

2010-01-10 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/10/10 6:43 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: On 01/07/2010 09:59 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: When a divided motorway/trunk/primary/... has a spot for turning or u-turning, should that be marked as primary or primary_link? The wiki isn't clear. If it’s for service/emergency vehicles only,

Re: [Tagging] Easy question: _link tags for U turn/cut throughs?

2010-01-11 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/11/10 11:49 AM, Anthony wrote: It may sound like access=official means official access only, but any programs which have encoded access=* and *=official will be completely confused by such a designation. i'll be using access=no for now. as far as alternatives, how about:

Re: [Tagging] Easy question: _link tags for U turn/cut throughs?

2010-01-11 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/11/10 9:11 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: The only question I have about this stuff is whether access=no has any use to mean you physically cannot get past here. If so, then it's worth having a tag like access=emergency_services to indicate that it's physically traversable, but no members of

Re: [Tagging] Islands in Parking Lots

2010-01-29 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/29/10 6:22 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i should think if you use a multipolygon, they will obviously be dropouts from the parking area. I'm not sure... isn't a tree planted in the middle of a parking area

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/31/10 10:51 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:46 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Again, are we trying to make a map look photo realistic? To me a map is a set of abstract ideas that express information about reality

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/31/10 11:38 AM, John Smith wrote: On 1 February 2010 02:34, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: The width=* tag doesn't fit when you have a gradual change in width as you would do on a track. I would have thought that was the best case for Richard's suggestion, irregular

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/31/10 12:36 PM, Dave F. wrote: John Smith wrote: On 1 February 2010 02:34, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: The width=* tag doesn't fit when you have a gradual change in width as you would do on a track. I would have thought that was the best case for

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/31/10 8:59 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: Interesting, but what you're really doing (if i understand you correctly) is: 1) storing a way, plus 2) storing an approximate area (in the form of width tags applied to nodes on the way, and then using some form of interpolation between nodes). The

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-02-01 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/1/10 6:43 AM, Dave F. wrote: OK, as as suggestion, how about: As the track will be the entity most people would expect to see on the map, tag that as highway=raceway. Tag the way as some like highway= 'racing_line'. I looked at the image of it in nearmap you can clearly see that

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/3/10 9:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: IMHO the ref-tag describes the reference, not a sign, therefore to tag them it doesn't matter if the reference numbers are displayed laterally on signs or there is another source of getting them. Still if you say that those numbers (reference

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/3/10 9:31 AM, Mike N. wrote: so should a reference route designation that isn't on a sign go in a ref tag or not? the wiki doesn't discuss this. if ref shouldn't have this, perhaps a variant on ref is needed? I would say no - because the ref tag can generate route shields. I

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/3/10 10:29 AM, Chris Hill wrote: Richard Welty wrote: administratively, a reference route is no different from a conventional signed route number. from a practical point of view, you almost never see a reference route on a sign. what we come back to is tagging for the renderer, if we put

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/3/10 4:33 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-02-03 06:19, Richard Welty wrote: ... so should a reference route designation that isn't on a sign go in a ref tag or not? the wiki doesn't discuss this. if ref shouldn't have this, perhaps a variant on ref is needed? I would say

Re: [Tagging] ref tags and reference routes

2010-02-05 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/5/10 8:22 AM, Richard Finegold wrote: You say some reference route numbers don't appear on signs. I can think of two possibilities to explain this: 1) The state maintained road doesn't have a small green reference marker. Maybe it's too short, or maybe any markers that would be present

Re: [Tagging] Snowshed voting

2010-03-15 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/15/10 11:42 AM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi all, The proposal of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/snowshed is still underway, there are a couple of 'yes votes'. I think http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:covered%3Dyes is more appropriate. (and it's already different

Re: [Tagging] New place value for single settlements (below hamlet)

2010-04-05 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/5/10 6:33 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: ℳ∡ℝℸⅈℿ Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2010/4/6 John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com On 6 April 2010 04:12, ℳ∡ℝℸⅈℿ Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Following recent discussion on talk-de I'm proposing a new place

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/4/10 9:51 PM, John Smith wrote: On 5 May 2010 11:36, Greg Troxelg...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Fair enough. If you judge on food quality and is food presented faster than it could reasonably be preparted then I think we're in closer agreement. My point was, we shouldn't base a

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/4/10 11:15 PM, John Smith wrote: On 5 May 2010 12:51, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: crap:mega=yes as well. That doesn't make any sense... lots and lots of crap: mega crap ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Cleaning up

2010-05-05 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/5/10 9:12 AM, Jonas Minnberg wrote: Yes, as you may guess from my topic. Removing unnecessary stuff is a good thing IMHO. I thought the idea behind cycleway=track and cycleway=lane was to avoid having to draw lots of parallel ways. It avoids clutter on my limited resolution GPS. It

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/6/10 8:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/5/6 John F. Eldredgej...@jfeldredge.com: From my experience (in the USA), most WalMarts and KMarts only allocate a small percentage of their floor space to groceries. The so-called super WalMarts have a full range of groceries; even

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/6/10 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: This leads to a new proposal: discount=yes to discriminate discounters. Could be used in addition for supermarkets, department stores and maybe others. usable with any shop= where appropriate? i can see that. richard

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/6/10 4:52 PM, Liz wrote: On Thu, 6 May 2010, Richard Welty wrote: On 5/6/10 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: This leads to a new proposal: discount=yes to discriminate discounters. Could be used in addition for supermarkets, department stores and maybe others

Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US

2010-05-06 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/6/10 8:30 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: I disagree that there's broad agreement here on what stores are discount stores. I've never heard anyone in Australia refer to Kmart or Target as a discount store. I have heard this word used for, say, Crazy Clarks or Dollars and Sense. But I would have

Re: [Tagging] Roadside maps

2010-05-17 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/17/10 5:38 AM, Andre Engels wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:54 AM, John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: cautious than we need to be. Why do we consider what's written on a street sign to be a fact, but the same words written on a map to be copyrightable? And many similar

Re: [Tagging] highway=services

2010-05-30 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/30/10 6:21 AM, John Smith wrote: On 30 May 2010 20:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: site-relation But if the intent was to get a shaded area on a map this won't work. for a shaded area, a polygon with something like landuse=highway_services or

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/28/10 6:47 PM, John Smith wrote: On 29 June 2010 08:36, Jason Cunninghamjamicu...@googlemail.com wrote: Gridiron? I didn't know the there were so many versions of football in North America This shouldn't be surprising since 4 codes of football in Australia came from the

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/28/10 7:46 PM, Liz wrote: I don't have a problem with marking what sports are played where. I don't have a complaint about being accurate with tagging, but sometimes I have to prefer one use of an area over another, because we cannot parallel tag with this API. Considering the use for the

Re: [Tagging] tagging religious features (abbey, monastery, shrine), probably subtags of place of worship

2010-07-07 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/7/10 2:50 PM, John Smith wrote: On 8 July 2010 04:15, M∡rtin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Recently I found that we have no documented tags for abbeys, monasteries, shrines. Do you think it would be better to put them into amenity as subtags of place of worship or would it

Re: [Tagging] paved=yes/no

2010-07-15 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/15/10 5:45 PM, John Smith wrote: On 16 July 2010 07:42, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Can't find it on the wiki - do you have a ref? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:paved geez, that really should go away. surface= already serves the

Re: [Tagging] paved=yes/no

2010-07-15 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/16/10 12:50 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: IMHO yes it's useful, because the paved/unpaved distinction is by far the most important one for roads. The problem is that surface=* is an unbounded list, so renderers potentially have to support surface=dirt, gravel, cobblestone, mud,

Re: [Tagging] paved=yes/no

2010-07-17 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/17/10 8:20 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: This isn't a problem I have any idea how to resolve just now. My comments above were quite simple: having inconsistent paved=yes/no, and surface=xxx is not a problem, because the central authority (whatever it is) can simply define one as taking

Re: [Tagging] paved=yes/no

2010-07-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/19/10 2:55 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i might add that if we're looking at the introduction of new semantics in order to make adding unpaved=yes/no ok, it's going to take a great deal to convince me. It's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/26/10 4:20 AM, John Smith wrote: On 26 July 2010 18:16,technikschlu...@web.de wrote: Hi, Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than the old amenity=fire_hydrant tag and there is a very active discussion on the German board:

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/26/10 7:18 AM, Dave F. wrote: On 26/07/2010 11:17, Liz wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Richard Mann wrote: Most vineyards have something similar, though not always so heavily marketed, so I think you need to find a term that's more international. Perhaps tourism=vineyard_shop or just

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/27/10 6:57 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: S. Higashi stated, earlier in the thread, that the Japanese government provided fire extinguisher stations along some residential streets, and posted a link to a photograph:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fire_extinguisher_ja.jpg. Such a

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/28/10 8:45 AM, John Smith wrote: Did I miss anything currently being mentioned in this or the fire hydrant thread? the fire hydrant language is overly specific; out here in the sticks, we have what are called dry hydrants adjacent to ponds (there's a photo of an example associated with

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-29 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/29/10 6:45 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: Perhaps we need a factory_outlet tag? This is just a particular case of a factory outlet. If the factory is tagged as a winery and the shop as a factory outlet, the picture is complete. in the US, factory outlet is a term that has become much abused

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Fire Hydrant

2010-08-06 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/6/10 6:12 PM, John Smith wrote: On 6 August 2010 21:31, Schlumpftechnikschlu...@web.de wrote: The vote for the new fire_hydrant has been started. After a long discussion about the emergency-tags we decided to let the fire hydrants in the amenity namespace, for now. Who decided this

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-16 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/16/10 6:06 PM, John Smith wrote: On 17 August 2010 08:03, M∡rtin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: what about school=dolphins for a school of dolphins? Or hospital=tree nursery? IMHO we shouldn't create our categories/keys only based on language which might sometimes be ambiguous

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-16 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/16/10 7:23 PM, John Smith wrote: On 17 August 2010 09:20, M∡rtin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The point was (maybe my message was too long to get this clear) that the same generic icon for schools which do general education in the morning and maybe afternoon to kids AND the

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-16 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/16/10 8:39 PM, Andreas Labres wrote: On 17.08.10 01:29, Richard Welty wrote: amenity=special_school or something on that order, and then subtag with school= I can't see any benefit subsuming those ...schools that are no schools under one tag. They all need special icons

Re: [Tagging] tagging farmers markets?

2010-08-16 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/16/10 9:56 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: On 17/08/2010 01:43, Richard Welty wrote: i don't see an obvious tag in the system. i'm not talking about shop=farm, where the shop is physically located at the farm, but about places where one or more producers come together to sell. some

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for streets with sharrows?

2010-08-18 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/18/10 1:22 AM, Simon Biber wrote: In light of this, I don't think the arrow part is applicable world-wide. I suggest going with the name used for the Wikipedia article, Shared lane marking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_lane_marking Therefore the tagging could be

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/24/10 8:48 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/25 John F. Eldredgej...@jfeldredge.com: How would you tag a restaurant that sells food for take-away, but doesn't have any tables for customers to sit and eat on the premises? For example, there is a chain of barbecue restaurants here in

[Tagging] radio and/or tv studio?

2010-08-27 Thread Richard Welty
?? office=broadcasting any other suggestions? richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] radio and/or tv studio?

2010-08-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/27/10 1:18 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/27 Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net: ?? office=broadcasting any other suggestions? it's not an office. Sorry that I am not helpful with a better suggestion, but definitely not office IMHO. At least for the technical part (studio).

Re: [Tagging] pool/billiards hall?

2010-08-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/27/10 1:16 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/27 Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net: ?? amenity=billiards amenity=pool_hall any suggestions? sport? leisure? it's a tradeoff. in the US, pool halls generally are a mix of pub and pool/billiards. i could see this: amenity=pub

[Tagging] now i'm completely stumped...

2010-08-27 Thread Richard Welty
Weight Watchers? Dale Carnegie Training? Arthur Murray Dance Studio? some of these cases have been discussed recently w/o resolution, i know. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] radio and/or tv studio?

2010-08-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/27/10 1:22 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 8/27/10 1:18 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/27 Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net: ?? office=broadcasting any other suggestions? it's not an office. Sorry that I am not helpful with a better suggestion, but definitely not office IMHO

Re: [Tagging] pool/billiards hall?

2010-08-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/27/10 8:28 PM, John Smith wrote: On 28 August 2010 03:24, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: it's a tradeoff. in the US, pool halls generally are a mix of pub and pool/billiards. i could see this: Just because a place has a pool table, does that make it a pool hall? Most pubs

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying x is attached to y?

2010-08-30 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/30/10 9:06 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/29 Pierenpier...@gmail.com: On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps a site relation? I'm not sure it's necessary; any application that needs that information can calculate whether the polygons

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-30 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/30/10 6:49 PM, Stephen Hope wrote: On 31 August 2010 08:36, John F. Eldredgej...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Also, how do you reverse a way? In JOSM, you just use Reverse way. Don't know about potlatch, but it would have to be there somewhere, or you can't get one way streets to work

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/31/10 2:14 PM, Michael Barabanov wrote: How about a kayaker having a hard time going against oneway=yes ? :) F=ma it's not just a good idea, it's the law. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter

2010-09-04 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/4/10 8:44 AM, Sam Vekemans wrote: a key 'social' does work for homeless_shelter, are there any other values (that are in other keys) that would fit with this social key? i know a number of people involved in operation of various social support groups, i can poll them on the various types

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

2010-09-06 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/6/10 2:55 PM, NopMap wrote: That is not a solution. For 4 years people have done valid tagging, using the definition in the wiki for significant trees. If you change the meaning, no denotation=landmark will magically appear there, so the information gets lost. The mappers who originally

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

2010-09-10 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/10/10 4:27 PM, NopMap wrote: A few corrections are in order... Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote: * Nop points out that the wiki definition of trees says a lone tree and interprets this as a prominent tree (a landmark, etc.). The wiki says: lone or significant tree and I interpret that as a

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

2010-09-11 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/11/10 12:06 PM, Chris Hill wrote: You have proved how skilful you are at automated edits, so please, use these powerful skills to remove the graffiti you have added to so many objects across the world. i think that he simultaneously ran this bot while announcing that he was opting

Re: [Tagging] trees and waterways

2010-09-12 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/12/10 12:29 PM, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: If we really need a tag to indicate river flow, it can't be oneway. And if we define a tag for flow, how would you define the direction, what would be the reference ? you'd want it to work with respect to the direction of the way, as is done

[Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-14 Thread Richard Welty
landuse=garage seems pretty tightly focused right now. what i'd like to tag that doesn't really fit are garages operated by various government entities, e.g. garages operated by school districts for their bus services garages operated by towns, counties, and state DOT organizations to

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-14 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/14/10 6:41 PM, John Smith wrote: On 15 September 2010 08:39, Katie Filbertfilbe...@gmail.com wrote: I would tag them as amenity=parking + access=private + operator=New York State Department of Transortation (or whatever applicable) + name=___ (fill blank) They aren't just used to park

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-17 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/17/10 10:00 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: At a guess, the combination of amenity=fuel and shop=yes means that there is a retail shop in addition to fuel sales. This most likely is what Americans call a convenience store. Typically, most of the inventory will be beer, candy, soft drinks,

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/20/10 5:35 PM, John Smith wrote: What about water filled plastic barriers? http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/resourcesint/product-detailzqMJlfFDaQGv/China-Water-Filled-Plastic-Barrier.html They may not be permanent, but some stay in place for long periods of time. these are a

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/20/10 6:28 PM, John Smith wrote: On 21 September 2010 08:03, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 9/20/10 5:35 PM, John Smith wrote: What about water filled plastic barriers?

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/21/10 2:19 AM, Stephen Hope wrote: On 21 September 2010 10:08, M∡rtin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: maybe you can spot a more technic term? I'm sure they have a proper name ;-) Wikipedia seems to think they're just a subset of a Jersey Barrier - mind you, even jersey barrier

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/21/10 7:08 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/21 Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net: On 9/21/10 2:19 AM, Stephen Hope wrote: maybe you can spot a more technic term? I'm sure they have a proper name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_barrier#Plastic_Jersey_barriers Wikipedia is a

Re: [Tagging] name:English, name:Español and lei sure:pitch pitch:? or sport:?

2010-09-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/21/10 8:49 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/21 Eric Jarviese...@csl.com.mx: or is it?: leisure:pitch sport:baseball +1, generally this one. btw.: What do others use for swimming pools? leisure=pool? leisure=swimming_pool? leisure=pitch? leisure=pitch would be problematic. some

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/22/10 6:47 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: What happens if tags conflict then? For example just say the boundary actually had a name, e.g. X Y Border, but the river also has a different name. one of the operative theories here is that in cases of shared ways, we should be using the higher level

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-23 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/23/10 7:27 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi Richard. Never heard of that, so let me ask to clearify... On 23.09.2010 00:59, Richard Welty wrote: On 9/22/10 6:47 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: What happens if tags conflict then? For example just say the boundary actually had a name, e.g. X Y

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food things?

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/27/10 1:08 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: because not everyone to whom you give money to get something can be considered a retailer. Wikipedia states:In commerce, a retailer buys goods or products in large quantities from manufacturers or importers, either directly or through a wholesaler,

Re: [Tagging] shop=wedding_office [Was: New tag value: shop=wedding]

2010-09-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/28/10 8:32 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/28 Mike N.nice...@att.net: office=wedding_planner sounds fine to me. I agree with this. However, I have also seen a number of local shops which sell only wedding supplies (dresses, etc) but offer no wedding services. They could

Re: [Tagging] Sports Stand

2010-09-29 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/29/10 5:32 PM, Dave F. wrote: Hi Anybody recommend a tag for a structure such as this?: http://www.arenaseating.com/cm/images/products/image_sports_grandstand_3.jpg sports=stadium is definitely overkill. sports_stand; sports_seating? it's generally referred to as a grandstand, at

Re: [Tagging] Sports Stand

2010-09-29 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/29/10 6:05 PM, Dave F. wrote: On 29/09/2010 22:48, Richard Welty wrote: On 9/29/10 5:32 PM, Dave F. wrote: Hi Anybody recommend a tag for a structure such as this?: http://www.arenaseating.com/cm/images/products/image_sports_grandstand_3.jpg sports=stadium is definitely overkill

Re: [Tagging] Residential roads

2010-09-30 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/30/10 4:52 AM, Pieren wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com mailto:stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Probably the simplest distinction is that various programs treat unclassified as a fast country road (eg, 100+kph), and residential as a quiet

Re: [Tagging] Residential roads

2010-09-30 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/30/10 7:38 AM, Colin Smale wrote: we as mappers have no control over how the different routing systems select default speeds. we should not be making assumptions about that. Also important for routing systems is the practical speed for a road. Many country roads may have a high legal

Re: [Tagging] What exactly is a greenfield?

2010-10-05 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/5/10 7:15 AM, Richard Mann wrote: A greenfield site is one that is currently a field, so it should be tagged as a field until it gets built on. Nothing should ever be tagged greenfield. A brownfield site is derelict land that was something once, but is now nothing in particular until

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/13/10 4:24 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: On Miércoles 13 Octubre 2010 20:22:49 Richard Welty escribió: On 10/13/10 2:38 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: Maybe we need two separate pages, one with ALL approved features (which may be called, by the (high)way, Approved Map Features

Re: [Tagging] Country names

2010-10-14 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/14/10 7:57 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:07:57 Pieren wrote: This is exactly a good example of tagging for the renderers. What OSM needs is a lot of local contributors. And for them, it is much easier to enter only one tag for the name and this in the local language.

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-17 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/17/10 11:00 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: So, are you saying that a shop that was located in a kiosk building, but sold merchandise other than cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages would have a tag building=kiosk, but would not have the tag shop=kiosk? what of kiosks in

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-17 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/17/10 11:19 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: Hello richard and john: If they do not sell cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages they are not shop=kiosk. They are shop=jewelry or shop=boutique or shop=mobile_phone. ok, but this is going to be really error prone. novice

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-18 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/18/10 4:27 AM, Richard Mann wrote: maybe: building=kiosk shop=newsagent and just leave it to local knowledge to know whether a newsagent typically sells sweets/tobacco/tickets The only one I'd have said was worth tagging individually was whether they sell bus tickets:

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-18 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/18/10 9:04 AM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: However, a shop, located in a kiosk, that is selling cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages is not selling kiosks, so labeling it with shop=kiosk breaks the label according to the merchandise sold principle. A shop that sold kiosks

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-18 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/18/10 7:23 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/10/19 Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Use shop=kiosk for a shop that sells kiosk like stuff. my point was that there is no kiosk like stuff precisely. we have kiosks all over the place, what they sell varies quite a lot.

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-10-18 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/18/10 7:52 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: It is for this reason that I prefer underscores myself. So service=drive_through it is? that would certainly be my preference. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_hydrant

2010-10-18 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/18/10 8:40 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote: There has been a very lengthy discussion about the emergency category - and there wasn't a clear outcome. There wasn't a consensus if the change is useful at all and it's still unclear what should be in the emergency category and what not. it looked

Re: [Tagging] Paper streets?

2010-10-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/19/10 3:06 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: On 10/19/2010 11:02 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: We do have highway=proposed/construction. Most of which I assume would be usable for travel, at least by construction vehicles. If

Re: [Tagging] Paper streets?

2010-10-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/19/10 4:22 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Some of the folks in this discussion seem to be assuming that, if a street is shown on plans but has not yet been built at the time that an OSM mapper marks the locations of the existing street, this guarantees that the street will never be

Re: [Tagging] new highway tag for small and informal footpaths; trail

2010-10-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/22/10 12:31 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: They have to be not planned, not maintained, ground surface: they are simply there because people (or animal) use them. There might be some intersection with small paths in some cases, but usually I'd also say that paths are broader. this will

Re: [Tagging] atms with names?

2010-10-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/22/10 1:18 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: I've asked about this too. I can understand that name=* refers to a specific name of the particular ATM, like Lenox Square Mall ATM as you said. But where to write Banca March (bank) and where to write Servired (network)? Which one is

Re: [Tagging] quarries in engineering

2010-11-05 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/5/10 11:05 AM, Richard Mann wrote: Gravel/sand/clay come from river beds, generally. Quarries are when you blast half a hill away. But I'm not an engineer... gravel around here comes from excavating in the sides of hills that are actually piles of debris left by glaciers in a previous

Re: [Tagging] quarries in engineering

2010-11-05 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/5/10 3:05 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: thanks for all your comments so far. could a clay pit that is used only to excavate clay be put under quarry, or would that be missleading? I know that these are all open-cast mines, but the wikipedia entry for quarry seems somehow not precise

[Tagging] landuse for arboretum

2010-11-10 Thread Richard Welty
i'm currently doing the boundaries for the Pine Hollow Arboretum south of Albany NY. none of the current landuse/natural tags seem quite appropriate. landuse=forest and natural= wood are closest, but i'd hesitate to use either without a subtype tag indicating that it's specifically an

Re: [Tagging] landuse for arboretum

2010-11-10 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/10/10 7:28 PM, John Smith wrote: On 11 November 2010 08:27, Craig Wallacecraig...@fastmail.fm wrote: Wouldn't it be covered by leisure=garden? ie Place where flowers and other plants are grown in a decorative and structured manner or for scientific purposes. Its just it specifically

Re: [Tagging] RFC: new key Landcover

2010-11-16 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/16/10 12:43 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: no, that would be surface as well. I'd say the distinction is between the surface and the coverage (which comprises the surface). surface=bush or tree would not make any sense IMHO. surface=asphalt is fine for the surface, the landcover would be

[Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
what are people doing for this? the truck oriented access tags in the wiki are oriented towards UK legal categories whereas i'm basically looking at a simple sign that says no trucks. the wiki would have me use goods=no hgv=no whereas truck=no seems like a logical extension of the current

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/19/10 8:27 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: It might seem a silly question, but what's a truck? You're correct that HGV in the UK has a specific legal meaning*, but does truck have one in the US? If it doesn't, would something like a Ford F-series count? What something like an El Camino?

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/19/10 1:25 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I agree that it makes more sense to have a separate tag for the weight limit. I would also not be surprised to find certain roads forbidden to trucks over a certain length, or forbidding trucks with tandem trailers, because the road in question

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/19/10 2:47 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 11/19/2010 07:40 AM, Richard Welty wrote: also truck prohibitions are not intended to prevent lawn services, delivery services (UPS, Fedex, the guy with the new refrigerator) and the like from carrying out normal business. This is true only

Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities

2010-12-11 Thread Richard Welty
On 12/11/10 5:19 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: So, landuse=self_storage would probably be the way to tag them, using out convention of underscores as separators. Self-storage is also the standard USA term for such facilities. From my personal experience, they typically have several different

Re: [Tagging] Bus depot?

2010-12-15 Thread Richard Welty
On 12/15/10 5:59 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Personally I'd go for landuse=bus_depot. but I'm open to suggestions. So landuse=* is going to be the new dumping ground? :) I had thought landuse=* was for general categories, like

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