[Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-16 Thread Tod Fitch
I started a discussion on this on the talk-us list but the best suggestion I've had, received off list, was to ask here on the tagging list. My original thread is at http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-June/011066.html Long story: While updating things in the Mt. Pinos area I

Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-17 Thread Tod Fitch
In the case I am looking at now there is no street number for the campground. At least there is no sign indicating one nor have I seen a street number on an any map. So I guess that addr:housenumber might work. But I imagine that there are campgrounds that actually have an street number

Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-21 Thread Tod Fitch
If I may summarize things to this point, two general proposals have been made: 1. Extend the normal street addressing to include lots, sites or pitches 2. Add a whole new set of tags specific to campsites. My camping experience has been mostly in the western United States and my views are

Re: [Tagging] one way part of the year

2013-07-22 Thread Tod Fitch
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ski#Other_Features gives a piste:one way tag which seems like it should fit the bill. Tod -- Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity. doug brown dougc...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm looking for ideas on how to tag state park trails that are two way

Re: [Tagging] one way part of the year

2013-07-23 Thread Tod Fitch
that piste:oneway=yes might fit. :) -Tod On Jul 23, 2013, at 6:22 AM, fly wrote: Am 23.07.2013 01:42, schrieb Tod Fitch: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ski#Other_Features gives a piste:one way tag which seems like it should fit the bill. oneway:ski=yes/-1 would fit, too but you seem to talk about

Re: [Tagging] road side

2013-08-19 Thread Tod Fitch
On Aug 19, 2013, at 6:24 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: Sounds like you mean the shoulder. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder It should usually be tagged as an attribute on the highway, not mapped as a separate way or area. Craig +1 Except that I think in the UK they might

Re: [Tagging] Re : road side

2013-08-19 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mon, August 19, 2013 11:11 am, yve...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a generic term that could include shoulder and verge, 'road-side' maybe ? In the US it would be shoulder for both: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/publications/flexibility/ch06.cfm Maybe shoulder=* Where * is one of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (amenity=ranger_station) - Vote Early Vote Often

2013-08-20 Thread Tod Fitch
On Tue, August 20, 2013 11:41 am, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I have marked for voting: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dranger_station Alert: that the proposal includes semi-mechanically re-tagging, particularly of the imported USA National Park Service data.

[Tagging] Tagging for a pack station?

2013-08-28 Thread Tod Fitch
ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pack_station I assume it should be tourism=something but what the something is is not obvious. Nothing shows in the wiki or taginfo that I can see or outfitter or pack_station, etc. From Wikipedia, it seems this might be a regional name but the hints on what

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for a pack station?

2013-08-30 Thread Tod Fitch
Hi, Interesting. Sounds like the equivalent of a hostel or mountain hut used by hikers or skiers but for equistrians. I don't know much about horses or the facilities for them. I know there are several buildings at the place I want to map one of which has been called a bunk house and another

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for a pack station?

2013-09-02 Thread Tod Fitch
Thank you for the suggestion. Turns out that the operation at Kennedy Meadows is quite a bit bigger with restaurant, lodging, store, etc. That is up the highway from the one I'm tagging but I'm following your suggestion minus the animal_boarding, feeding, etc. as it appears from the operator's

Re: [Tagging] natural=????

2013-09-10 Thread Tod Fitch
must be sufficient, don't you think ? Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com a écrit : I'd like to start adding some vegetation information to an area in the mountains of Southern California. There are a couple of situations that I am uncertain of the correct tagging

[Tagging] natural=????

2013-09-10 Thread Tod Fitch
I'd like to start adding some vegetation information to an area in the mountains of Southern California. There are a couple of situations that I am uncertain of the correct tagging of treeless areas. For this query though I'll restrict it to areas at or above timberline. I believe the wide spread

Re: [Tagging] natural=????

2013-09-10 Thread Tod Fitch
On Tue, September 10, 2013 2:37 pm, Christoph Hormann wrote: [...] The real problem about natural=tundra is that it is a very broad classification. Essentially it starts at the treeline with often quite lush grass or woody vegetation and ends with scattered lichens. In a way natural=tundra

Re: [Tagging] natural=????

2013-09-11 Thread Tod Fitch
On Wed, September 11, 2013 9:16 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/9/11 Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de there is simply no way with the current OSM data model to properly map deserts. +1, generally we are not well prepared to map huge geographic areas or ecosystems. I fear that

Re: [Tagging] natural=????

2013-09-11 Thread Tod Fitch
On Wed, September 11, 2013 10:17 am, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Wednesday 11 September 2013, Tod Fitch wrote: Drought winter in one area of interest: http://kirnim.smugmug.com/2013Adventures-2/Mt-Pinos-Feb-2013/i-cJXHsL S/0/M/P1110823-M.jpg Summer in another area: http://www.nordicbase.org

Re: [Tagging] Mapping large areas (was natural=????)

2013-09-12 Thread Tod Fitch
Sounds like a definition set by politicians. :) I can think of a number of areas in the US west that would count as mountains by that definition if approached from one direction but not the other. Mogollon Rim for one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogollon_Rim -Tod On Sep 12, 2013, at 1:49

Re: [Tagging] Mapping large areas (was natural=????)

2013-09-13 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Il giorno 13/set/2013, alle ore 04:49, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com ha scritto: I can think of a number of areas in the US west that would count as mountains by that definition if approached from one direction

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting 2 - (automated_external_defibrillator)

2013-10-02 Thread Tod Fitch
Looking at the page, and specifically at the images of AED devices in various locations, reminded me: In the US the instructions given to the lay person by the AED are in spoken English. I assume those in other countries will give verbal instructions in the local language. Should there be a

Re: [Tagging] Consolidating tags for building attributes

2013-10-07 Thread Tod Fitch
I don't see the use of multipolygon relations in this manor in the wiki. Nor have I noticed it in use in the areas that I have edited. Nor do I recall answers suggesting using multiple multipoloygons on the help site. Is this a common technique that I have somehow missed? Thanks! Tod -- Sent

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Tod Fitch
Would bicycle:dismount be better than bicycle_dismount? Seems like that would be more in keeping with current key naming conventions. Tod -- Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity. Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I think dismount should be a key, not a value -

Re: [Tagging] cleanup measurement_station / monitoring_station?

2013-10-29 Thread Tod Fitch
As an American English speaker, monitoring station seems better than measurement station. Tod -- Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity. malenki o...@malenki.ch wrote: At the moment there exist: man_made=measurement_station man_made=monitoring_station Both for mapping the same

Re: [Tagging] give way and stop tag for ways

2013-11-04 Thread Tod Fitch
A fifth method might be to use forward and backward tags on the node where the sign is tagged much like one of the suggested methods for tagging traffic signals. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traffic_signal#Tag_all_incoming_ways Seems like one uniform way of tagging traffic control signs

Re: [Tagging] give way and stop tag for ways

2013-11-04 Thread Tod Fitch
05.11.2013 00:16, schrieb Tod Fitch: A fifth method might be to use forward and backward tags on the node where the sign is tagged much like one of the suggested methods for tagging traffic signals. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traffic_signal#Tag_all_incoming_ways Seems like one uniform way

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-29 Thread Tod Fitch
On Nov 29, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2013/11/17 The definition given for the landuse-polygon seems too restrictive, I'd ditch the second part are constructed up to a boundary or barrier separating this land from private

Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin

2013-12-08 Thread Tod Fitch
It has been a while since I worked in a facility with such a building. But I recall it being called a guard shack or guard house. Taginfo has only one guard_shack (and one guard_booth) but does have 100 guardhouse entries. The few building=guardhouse entries that I looked at via bing imagery do

Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-10 Thread Tod Fitch
On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:03 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: Yes please! I just added some hiking trails and had a named spur[1] that I wanted to record. I used place=locality, but it seems wrong for the same reasons you give. I'd suggest that since we have natural=peak, and natural=saddle we

Re: [Tagging] Winter sports share the same way

2014-01-09 Thread Tod Fitch
In the areas I cross country ski at in the California mountains many trails are used by both nordic skiers and snowshoers. Since I am ski centric I've tended to tag them as piste:type=nordic. Could one simply tag them as piste:type=nordic;snowshoe? A bit ugly and the difficulty is an issue as

Re: [Tagging] Winter sports share the same way

2014-01-09 Thread Tod Fitch
A single trail, even a single section of a trail, represented by a single way could have one difficulty rating for a person on snowshoes and a different difficulty rating for a person on skis. -Tod On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:08 AM, yvecai wrote: On 01/09/2014 07:27 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: I

Re: [Tagging] Winter sports share the same way

2014-01-09 Thread Tod Fitch
activity type. -Tod On Jan 9, 2014, at 12:55 PM, fly wrote: Do not really understand your problem. As already mentioned you can use a semicolon for the piste_type values and tag the difficulty with addidtional keys like difficulty:sled=* cu fly On 09.01.2014 21:44, Tod Fitch wrote

Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift

2014-01-22 Thread Tod Fitch
As an American, I hadn't heard of a platter lift either. One area I used to ski it had a Poma lift which apparently meets the description. Perhaps whoever chose platter lift wished to avoid a trade name. As mentioned on another response, there are significant differences to the skiers/riders

Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift

2014-01-23 Thread Tod Fitch
Why we have aerialway=platter or T-bars? Maybe the same reason we have building=house, building=residential, building=garage, building=industrial, etc. when we could just tag them all building=yes. They are different forms of a drag lift and the difference has significance to many people. If

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:35 PM, yvecai wrote: I've checked the 8 piste:type=ski_jump mapped and a part one that is obscured by cloud, the others are what they are: the piste on the on the ski jump facility (I even forgot I mapped some myself from Bing). I was afraid this tag would be already

Re: [Tagging] Reliable OSM routing (was: How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier)

2014-02-09 Thread Tod Fitch
Some very good points here. . . On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:47 AM, André Pirard wrote: Hi, I left this unsent for some time, so it may duplicate what has already been said. But it's uttermost important. snip There doesn't seem to be routing quality assurance tools, not even Osmose

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-19 Thread Tod Fitch
For what it is worth, in the area I live in such facilities seem to be called corporate yards. Since industrial=depot seems to have only one use at present and does not fit exactly. At least it does not fit in my mind. Perhaps it could be tagged as landuse=industrial, industrial=corporate_yard

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-25 Thread Tod Fitch
I wonder if there might be some regional variation in the US: I've always thought of them as fire hydrants rather than fire plugs. Looks like fire plug might be an older term and technology maybe coming out of England based on the introductory paragraph at

Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal

2014-02-25 Thread Tod Fitch
Interesting. . . I've only skied in the US and Canada and mostly in the western US. Most if not all the alpine/downhill ski areas I've been to have very definitely marked boundaries. There are backcountry and cross country/nordic skiing areas I've been to where the boundaries are vague and

Re: [Tagging] leisure=events

2014-03-09 Thread Tod Fitch
It seems to me that landuse=events is reasonable. Most of the places called fairgrounds where I am are used for other events other than the traditional once a year fair. There are often swap meets, animal shows, concerts, and other events held during the year. And the area often (always in my

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-13 Thread Tod Fitch
While I'd probably colloquially call it a dirt road, your description of the construction sounds suspiciously like the construction developed by John MacAdam and may well be considered to be surfaced road by a highway engineer. In the early days of motoring that type of road was considered to

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-16 Thread Tod Fitch
What about for the area where the town hall, city administration buildings (offices for building and safety, parks and recreation, etc.), public safety (police and fire headquarters) and a county court building are located in my city. They are all on one landscaped area with buildings scattered

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread Tod Fitch
On Apr 8, 2014, at 3:10 AM, Pieren wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:48 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Please, return to earth. Tagging traffic signs is just a funny activity in fully mapped areas. How do you specify a speed limit in OSM ? with a traffic_sign tag on a node or

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread Tod Fitch
On Apr 11, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 17:28 +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: Currently, there are 41,000 things tagged access=designated (1). I can understand what =designated means for a specifc transport type (foot, bicycle, etc.) but not access. The wiki (2)

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-14 Thread Tod Fitch
On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: Agree partly. It's not meaningless, but it get's ambiguous very often. Take traffic signals as one example where the direction might be used: Besides an intersection someone could add the traffic lights on the four individual ways (instead

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - site=piste relations

2014-04-17 Thread Tod Fitch
Seems like many (most?) of the people interested in mapping ski areas have taken the piste mapping page at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps to heart. And, just checking, I see a number that have had a site=piste relation for some time. So I think the people

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

2014-05-18 Thread Tod Fitch
On May 18, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Andreas Goss wrote: Am 5/18/14 14:43 , schrieb John Packer: Honest question: are there capitals for something besides countries and states? If not, we could keep it simple: * capital=yes for country capitals * state_capital=yes for state capitals (already in

[Tagging] Turn lane tagging

2014-05-19 Thread Tod Fitch
None of the area I am in has had turn lanes tagged per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn#Turning_indications_per_lane or destinations set per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination:lanes#Destinations_per_lane When I start doing new tagging, I like to find existing tools

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-31 Thread Tod Fitch
Any decent router will totally ignore a noexit=yes tag as it determines the topology from the actual ways and how they are connected. The noexit=yes tag serves only one purpose and has two different data consumers: the next human mapper that comes along and automated QA tools. It allows those

Re: [Tagging] Wiki edits, building tags on nodes versus areas

2014-06-05 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:03 AM, Tobias Knerr wrote: Am 04.06.2014 22:35, schrieb André Pirard: That's another new tagging system though. And even doing it like this breaks down when there is more than one shop in the building. Therefore I believe that the only really clean solution is to

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] generalized survey and consequences

2014-06-09 Thread Tod Fitch
Am I missing the fact that we have history on all changes and you can detect from the history when some tag like surface=unpaved was added to a way? So that takes care of the initial survey date. Maybe added a *:confirmed=yes where * is the tag (e.g. surface:confirmed=yes) if it is still

Re: [Tagging] Signal-controlled roundabouts

2014-06-17 Thread Tod Fitch
How would you tag this intersection in Mountain View, California? https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mountain+View,+CA/@37.387343,-122.080352,3a,89.9y,118.3h,70.82t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sHblffm0KZ7pzUXLakrlBQw!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x808fb7495bec0189:0x7c17d44a466baf9b Should it be tagged as

Re: [Tagging] Native English speakers: locker or lockbox?

2014-06-24 Thread Tod Fitch
As a US English speaker, I'd call those items in your photo lockers. My 40+ year old American Heritage Dictionary says, among other things that a locker is an enclosure that may be locked, especially one used by a person at a gymnasium or public place, for the safekeeping of clothing and

Re: [Tagging] Aerodrome types

2014-07-03 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jul 3, 2014, at 6:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: this essentially can be condensed to length of runway, because this implies bigger airplanes, and bigger airplanes tend to fly longer distances. If there is a small airfield close to the border, you might have international (regional)

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Power transmission refinement - RFC 2

2014-07-09 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jul 9, 2014, at 2:07 AM, François Lacombe wrote: JOSM already asking you a voltage=* tag on any power=* object. Which I, as a mapper more interested in roads and trails, ignore as I don't know what to put there and I'd rather have nothing than something that is wrong. Many of the

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Jesse Crawford wrote: An example situation is visible here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/34.05688/-106.89005 Both California St and the nearby I-25 are two-way streets made up of two parallel one-way streets. This has the advantage of thorough data,

Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?

2014-07-20 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: What if there's more than one lane that's both ways allowing left turns? I've actually seen this, and the centre_turn_lane thing breaks down in such a case. I don't recall seeing that and am having a hard time imagining how it would look

Re: [Tagging] About new landuses and superiority of cascading tag schemes

2014-07-26 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jul 26, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 26/lug/2014 um 14:04 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: Scale is not relevant here, almost all industrial and farming activities are performed on large and small scale. maybe there is a language problem, to

Re: [Tagging] Distinction between amenity=restaurant and fast_food

2014-08-03 Thread Tod Fitch
On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Your comment suggests that fast food and restaurant are mutually exclusive; they are not. Google finds about 5,110,000 results for fast food restaurant, with quotes; the first of which is the Wikipedia article:

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-11 Thread Tod Fitch
On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Richard Z. wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:40:57AM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: Hi, http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1263/1186115057_7f88a4aaed_o.jpg looks like a landmark or tourist attraction to me and a narrow single lane bridge. The speed limiting factor

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-14 Thread Tod Fitch
On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Richard Z. wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:48:35PM -0400, David K wrote: I support a general tag for hill crests with sufficient vertical curvature to introduce a visibility, grounding, or takeoff hazard. It could be applied to railroad crossings, humpy

[Tagging] Wadi vs intermittent stream?

2014-08-23 Thread Tod Fitch
In the southwest of the United States there are numerous features locally called a wash which is an intermittent natural drainage channel that only carries water during and immediately after large rainstorms. The ones I've looked at in my area of interest are typically tagged waterway=stream,

Re: [Tagging] Wadi vs intermittent stream?

2014-08-24 Thread Tod Fitch
had to add that or not. Thank you for having plans to add support for this in the main renderer! Tod On Aug 24, 2014, at 2:48 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 August 2014 22:52, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: With at least one renderer that I am looking at, the default database

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-20 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 20, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 09/20/2014 05:42 PM, Tomasz Kaźmierczak wrote: I would like to suggest making the paved key for highways (and probably other types of elements) official.

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 21, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Pee Wee wrote: Well if an unpaved forest path would get gravel or fine_gravel thrown on top of it I would consider this some sort of paving that could be classified as paved. You apparently don't. No need to argue about that , it only goes to show that the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water tap

2014-11-12 Thread Tod Fitch
As a as seasonal volunteer with the US Forest Service I have a little more nuanced view: In the area I help out at there two big things on the long list of causes for the FS to stop showing water as potable. First, water quality standards have been tightened over the years so some natural

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread Tod Fitch
If I recall correctly from a discussion on the Talk-us list a while back, the preferred way in the US is now to specify the shield in a route relation. I did not follow the discussion fully but my impression is that the tagging allowed for custom specification of the shield. It looks like

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-19 Thread Tod Fitch
On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: And please make this childrens_area, kids is a slang word and is not appropriate in formal english, such as OSM tagging. Unless, of course, it is an area where young goats are kept. :) ___

Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site

2015-02-03 Thread Tod Fitch
On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Warin wrote: On 2/02/2015 10:22 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:50 PM, David Bannon wrote: I would like to have some of the items on Extend_camp_site page brought onto the main camp_site page. Specifically the site/pitch specific tags at http

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-16 Thread Tod Fitch
Since we are supposed to use British English, I decided to look up wadi in my old paper edition of the Oxford English Dictionary (can we trust that more than Wikipedia?): Wadi or Wady [Arabic: وادي‎ wādī] In certain Arabic speaking countries, a ravine or valley which in the rainy season

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-16 Thread Tod Fitch
Since the current term wadi can mean something more than the actual watercourse, why not drop it and use ephemeral=yes or intermittent=ephemeral on waterway=* to indicate that it carries water much less often than a waterway tagged with intermittent=yes?

[Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-21 Thread Tod Fitch
Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 21:27:13 UTC 2015 Less work if intermittent is simply used without the frequency extension .. thus: intermittent=yes/no/winter/spring/summer/autum/seasonal/ephemeral (default assumption of no) Note 'fall' = northern American english,

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-17 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jan 17, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Richard Z. wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 07:50:36AM -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: Based on where I sometimes see old wind driven pumps, I'd guess that many longer (10s of miles long) washes have an underground flow. I think so. On the other hand

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-17 Thread Tod Fitch
wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:14:53 -0800 From: Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com The more I think about this issue the more I am coming to the feeling that waterway=wadi ought to be deprecated and we should come up with a way of further defining intermittent to distinguish between

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-14 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jan 14, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: * Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com [150114 15:45]: waterway=wadi is used (18 180 times) and has some support (for example JOSM and default map style). During implementing rendering of intermittent=yes I discovered major problem with

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:rubbish=

2015-02-17 Thread Tod Fitch
On Feb 17, 2015, at 9:14 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: It would also be good to have a tag for a site accepting household toxic wastes such as used batteries, cleaning chemicals, leftover paint, and the like. Here in Nashville, Tennessee, USA, such substances are not supposed to included

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: In English, we often call this the 'dedication' of the church. This can include things like Holy Cross (Sacré Cœur) which are obviously not saints. -- Steve I know nothing about who churches are dedicated to, but wouldn't Sacré Cœur

Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site

2015-02-01 Thread Tod Fitch
On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:50 PM, David Bannon wrote: Subject Was - RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings On Sun, 2015-02-01 at 09:47 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: Another one: caravan sites. There's not any way to cleanly distinguish one at a state park that, save for the campground

Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site

2015-02-01 Thread Tod Fitch
On Feb 1, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: The http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site is quite a comprehensive proposal. One small thing I noticed in that one is that waterway=water_point should be changed to amenity=water_point, to be

Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site

2015-02-01 Thread Tod Fitch
the wiki edits suggested by another response on this thread. Tod On February 1, 2015 4:43:30 PM PST, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Sun, 2015-02-01 at 15:22 -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: . I would like to have some of the items on Extend_camp_site page brought onto the main

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-14 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 14, 2015, at 4:14 PM, John Willis wrote: . . . Also - is there some way to tag if the campsites have a (raised) platform of some kind for the tents? There are several camps I can think of - US Boy Scout camps and rent-a-tent sites in Japan that have somewhat permanent tent

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-14 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 14, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Warin wrote: On 15/03/2015 3:37 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: There is no mention of one very common type of camp_site, the campground inside a National Park. It is a definitely a

Re: [Tagging] List v Forum - was Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-19 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering: If so many people think that forum is better, and if OSM actually provides a forum (http://forum.openstreetmap.org/ http://forum.openstreetmap.org/), how comes that we have this discussion? Why

Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-19 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: +1 on the change to a 75% threshold for voting. Negativity indicates the proposal needs work. Those with trouble scanning mailing lists should look into threading options for their mail client, or read discussions

Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-17 Thread Tod Fitch
+1 On Mar 17, 2015, at 7:04 AM, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: Dear all, I think we deviated from the original question quite a bit. The point was that the current number of votes proposed in the wiki for accepted/rejected decision was self-contradicting. Even if there may be different opinions

Re: [Tagging] route=foot

2015-03-08 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I question this usage, mostly because UK Scouts seem to match US usage, which would call what you're calling a hike more like a march, or if it's really bad, a death march. US Scouts might hyperbolize intentionally to Rattan Death March for

Re: [Tagging] Proposed: landuse=civic_admin - looking for comments.

2015-03-09 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 8, 2015, at 10:55 PM, johnw wrote: If I knew nothing about the structure of government, just the buildings on the ground, I would notice that the “city hall” for many towns and small cities often (but not always) have combined complexes for both the assembly and mayor, and often

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk

2015-03-12 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 12, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Andreas Labres wrote: Sorry, but amenity= is the wrong key. Should be tourism= IMHO. Tourism for the reception desk for visitors, most likely only business or invited individuals, at a facility of International Corp? That sounds wrong to me. Not sure if it

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-30 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: I decided not to include the scout camp, because it then still might be confused with a place where ordinary campers can stay (like is the case with all options in the proposal). After the long discussion I have

Re: [Tagging] RFC - proposal page for camp_site=

2015-03-30 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:05 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: Okay - I have a question - If Jan’s proposal sets the basic category, And this one sets the amenity level, Is is possible to base this around access to the spaces? it seems to set the whole tone of the camp. RV Caravan / car

Re: [Tagging] recent change to ranger_station proposal

2015-03-04 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Russell Deffner russell.deff...@hotosm.org wrote: Maybe someone can confirm this, but I think it might actually be the difference in language from the Park Service versus Forest Service; i.e. in a National

Re: [Tagging] recent change to ranger_station proposal

2015-03-04 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 4, 2015, at 10:25 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: tourism=information May include Tourist information centres and offices. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dinformation information=officeAn office where you can get information about a town or region.

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-23 Thread Tod Fitch
software will have to deal with all the existing ways things are done now. But standardizing on way to go forward should help in the future. Cheers, Tod Fitch ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Rename wiki status Approved to Published

2015-04-03 Thread Tod Fitch
“Supported” by whom? To me that implies that a number of data consumers/renders will use that data. I personally interpret a voted on wiki proposal as “recommended”. Tod On Apr 3, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: Is supported reasonable? On Fri, Apr 3,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-04-22 Thread Tod Fitch
Some places have individual tent locations but no street address: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/34.80931/-119.17480layers=D On April 22, 2015 7:51:26 AM PDT, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:51 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-04-24 Thread Tod Fitch
If the individual pitches are part of a campground that has a street address then in makes sense. But many campgrounds run by the US Forest Service and other state and local parks do not have street addresses even if they are located on roads. And there are backcountry campgrounds with

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-01 Thread Tod Fitch
On May 1, 2015, at 5:05 PM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: Tod, nice work but I am concerned about the syntax you have chosen for two reasons. 1. Given that it was agreed that the larger site is the camp_site and there are pitch within the camp_site (UK terminology), then

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-02 Thread Tod Fitch
On May 1, 2015, at 10:17 PM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: Hmm, lets experiment ... Node tourism = camp_site camp_site = standard name = Happy Jacks Node tourism = camp_site camp_pitch = yes ref = 42 addr:unit = 42 camp_pitch:picnic_table=yes Node What

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-02 Thread Tod Fitch
It may be common in some areas to allow pitching tents anywhere within a designated area. But I have mapped a couple of backcountry (backpack) trail camps that have a numbered post at each pitch, so I know that they do exist and we ought to allow for it. In the two cases I can think of at the

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-04 Thread Tod Fitch
Reading about a refugee situation the other day I realized that “camp” can mean quite different things in different contexts. So I’d be a bit leery about going from a fairly specific term to a more general one, even if I doubt that a refugee camp would be tagged under leisure. Perhaps, to be

Re: [Tagging] Improving campground rendering

2015-05-01 Thread Tod Fitch
On May 1, 2015, at 12:12 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: For those of you mapping campgrounds, what improvements might you want in rendering? Keep in mind there's presently no process for voting for main map rendering.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-01 Thread Tod Fitch
On Apr 30, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on addr:unit or ref over addr:housenumber. I think ref makes more sense than addr:unit on remote/isolated pitches (ie hike-in sites, not drive-in). In addition, I've seen cases where individual pitches are

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