Re: [Tagging] power=tower enhancement

2011-12-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Coffee Roasting

2011-12-14 Thread Volker Schmidt
! Happy greetings, Michael. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Volker SCHMIDT Via Vecchia 18/ter 35127 Padova Italy mailto:vosc...@gmail.com office phone: +39-049-829-5977 office fax

Re: [Tagging] power=tower enhancement

2011-12-14 Thread Volker Schmidt
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[Tagging] How to tag a dovecot?

2012-01-09 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would like to tag a historic dovecot (colombara or torre colombaia in Italian). I cannot find an appropriate existing tag. Volker Padova, Italy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a dovecot?

2012-01-09 Thread Volker Schmidt
characteristic buildings around in the world. Here in Italy at first glance they look like fortification towers. Volker On 9 January 2012 15:38, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com wrote: Le 09/01/2012 11:31, Volker Schmidt a écrit : I would like to tag a historic dovecot (colombara or torre

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a dovecot?

2012-01-09 Thread Volker Schmidt
There are many in the UK, but they are normally smaller buildings, typically in the grounds of manor houses. The few Italian ones I know are bigger buildings. Volker On 9 January 2012 18:51, LM_1 flukas.robot+...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/1/9 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Hmmm. man_made

Re: [Tagging] Amenity parking

2012-01-11 Thread Volker Schmidt
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Re: [Tagging] Chaos and uncertainty in bridge

2012-01-16 Thread Volker Schmidt
The principal should also be extended to tunnels. eg tunnel:structure, using values like - excavated (shallow cut and cover tunnels), bored (deeper tunnels), and covered (ground-level tunnels enclosed by a building/structure). I don't think this withion the scope of general OSMapping. A

Re: [Tagging] Chaos and uncertainty in bridge

2012-01-16 Thread Volker Schmidt
1. There is a first classification system using the kind of way going over it for distinction: which is inherent in the way or other structure that is tagged with bridge: highway, railway, waterway, pipeline 1.1 A road (or railway): viaduct (a term that is not really well defined,

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Volker Schmidt
, I think we can agree that you wouldn't want to live there. Simone ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Volker SCHMIDT Via Vecchia 18/ter 35127 Padova Italy mailto:vosc

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Volker Schmidt
you get the border between public and private land. Why is that not helpful or interesting? I think this is the basic point of my objection: I believe that OSM maps what is out there, not what is legally defined in some document to which we normally have no access. I am interested surely in

Re: [Tagging] psv (was Re: access=no (was Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)))

2012-01-17 Thread Volker Schmidt
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rail_trail

2012-01-30 Thread Volker Schmidt
I like the idea to see ex-railway cycleways on the map. I also like to see cycle routes on the map, and I would like to see ex-railways on the map. I have my doubts whether the tagging of a cycleway as being on a n ex-railway should be done at the level of a key to the highway tag. If I

Re: [Tagging] When should a name:* translation be used?

2012-01-30 Thread Volker Schmidt
of Orange County into Vietnamese. __**_ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/tagginghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Volker SCHMIDT Via Vecchia 18/ter 35127 Padova Italy

[Tagging] Site of Community Importance

2012-02-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
How do I tag a Site of Community Importance (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_of_Community_Importance)? Volker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Water supply facility

2012-02-17 Thread Volker Schmidt
than to an intermediate station? __**_ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/tagginghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Volker SCHMIDT Via Vecchia 18/ter 35127 Padova Italy

Re: [Tagging] tagging of ele / elevation data e.g. in the context of towers

2012-02-20 Thread Volker Schmidt
this aspect on the wiki page for the key ele. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Volker SCHMIDT Via Vecchia 18/ter 35127 Padova Italy mailto:vosc...@gmail.com

[Tagging] How to tag the width of a gate

2012-02-25 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would like to tag the width (horizontal clearance) of a gate. The typical application are mountain trails that pass through livestock fences by means of various types of gates. The trail typically has no width, but the gate may have it. The key width can only be applied to a way, not to a node

Re: [Tagging] How to tag the width of a gate

2012-02-26 Thread Volker Schmidt
I must admit that I haven't checked the wiki. The thing started with warnings by JOSM that said that I should not apply width to a node. I checked tag info and that confirmed that the use is sporadic only. To me width fits perfectly to a node of type barrier like a gate or a cycle barrier Volker

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trail blaze

2012-03-09 Thread Volker Schmidt
Looks nice to me. Is already in (very rare) use. Problem is that it is very perishable data, at least in this part of the world. These signs have to be repainted very frequently, and will not always be repainted in the same place. Volker Padova, Italy On 9 March 2012 15:45, Pieren

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel

2012-04-15 Thread Volker Schmidt
I'm not sure why you would attempt such a query with nothing but OSM data. There are multiple websites that specialize in this type of thing and are far better at it than OSM will ever be because they have direct interaction with hotels to handle the volatility in prices, room availability

Re: [Tagging] Waterway directionality in drainage canals

2012-04-28 Thread Volker Schmidt
Interesting question. I do have do navigable canals that can have the water flow in either direction, under operator control. I think there must be many of them. I so far have not bothered about the flow direction, as boat traffic goes both ways independently of the actual flow of the water, but

Re: [Tagging] lanes=* on cycleways

2012-04-28 Thread Volker Schmidt
On 28 April 2012 11:32, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: Can you give a picture of multi-lane cycleways (or coordinates, so we can see it in aerial pics or via streetview)?

Re: [Tagging] Waterway directionality in drainage canals

2012-04-28 Thread Volker Schmidt
On 28 April 2012 16:14, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.comwrote: In many European canals, the convention is for the waterway authorities to arbitrarily define a direction so that a 'left' and 'right' bank can be defined and the appropriate navigational marks installed. So in those

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Volker Schmidt
I don't see why this discussion is so complicated. OSM tags are based on British English terms for historic reasons. In that contest there is a clean-cut distinction between a roundabout and a mini-roundabout: Quote from Wikipedia: Mini-roundabouts can be a painted circle or a low dome but must be

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Volker Schmidt
There is one annoying complication of the real roundabout in comparison with the mini-roundabout (and for which I also have cheated in some cases) and that is the handling of bus and cycle route relations. These have to be split at every roundabout into two halves with role forward. From that

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
Martin, He constantly ignores the fact, that a small roundabout is not a mini-roundabout as different rules apply to them and they are differently constructed. He also ignores the fact the e.g. routers are unable to generate correct routes for large vehicles. I therefore reverted his changes

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
Nathan, formally you are correct, but it has been OSM practice to base its tags on UK definitions. Why should we abandon this practice in this case. In addition, to my knowledge, they invented the mini-roundabout there and defined it with a traversable centre piece. Volker (Italy) On 10 May

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-18 Thread Volker Schmidt
At the risk that we are going in circles on this argument. Let us try to figure out what the needs are. What we have (in theory) at present is - a roundabout is a road layout where traffic goes around a central island. At present a roundabout needs to be drawn as a circular way, not

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-18 Thread Volker Schmidt
Actually it would become very relevant: a router for large veicles would know that it can use large roundabouts and mini-roundabouts, but not roundabouts tagged as small. -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' You have a point there. So the conclusion needs to be that we need all three categories. That

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-18 Thread Volker Schmidt
Correct, Steve. We should replace island with island or obstacle or something to that effect. Volker On 18 May 2012 13:00, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/05/2012 10:32, Volker Schmidt wrote: - a roundabout is a road layout where traffic goes around a central

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-19 Thread Volker Schmidt
Some remark on these three examples: They are all so large that there is no technical advantage in tagging them as roundabouts as opposed to just normal roads that happen to be circular. Why do we want to map a junction as roundabout? The main reason is most likely that this way the navigation

Re: [Tagging] Alternative names in local language

2012-05-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
Ho guardato come lo fanno a Bolzano-Bozen. Un esempio name http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name?uselang=en = Via Argentieri - Silbergasse name:de = Silbergasse name:it = Via Argentieri Da notare che i nomi italiani in Alto Adige spesso non sono traduzioni, ma nomi autonomi spesso basati

Re: [Tagging] Alternative names in local language

2012-05-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
Sorry for this - thanks for the translation service. Volker On 22 May 2012 17:30, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/5/22 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com Ho guardato come lo fanno a Bolzano-Bozen. Un esempio name http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name?uselang=en

Re: [Tagging] Update of article highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-24 Thread Volker Schmidt
Martin, the Irish road sign https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Diamond_road_sign_roundabout.svg, which you show in your sample list of road signs for mini-roundabouts, is for a normal roundabout. You also show the correct Irish mini-roundabout sign

Re: [Tagging] Ref tag

2012-06-19 Thread Volker Schmidt
The ref tag on a road should indicate what is on the road signs, at least in principle. Even though in practice what you see on the road signs varies considerably from country to country and also inside the same country, I would consider putting the int_ref and the national ref on roads (or route

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
Can we introduce potable=yes/no and migrate both of those tags to it over time? Best wishes, Andrew +1 Volker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
The only reason why I am in favour of potable is that drinkable is not quite the correct term in English as far am aware. drinkable means, at least in common language you can drink it, if you really need. The correct terms are *Drinking water* or *potable water* is

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
There is no problem with amenity=drinking_water. The problem arises if you want to indicate the water quality of, say, a fountain: amenity=fountain drinking/potable/drinkable=yes/no On 12 July 2012 17:41, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/7/12 Andrew Errington

[Tagging] Brickworks

2012-07-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would like to tag a brickworks. Maybe it's the heat (30 centigrades indoors), but I cannot find a specific tagging for a brickworks (large site, heaps of finished bricks, well visible chimney). Volker Padova, Italy ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] tagging awards and ratings

2012-07-27 Thread Volker Schmidt
Apart from the legal aspects, which exclude it anyway, I find it completely wrong to copy data statically into OSM that is by definition variable (TripAdvisor awards are automatically generated data from user input). Such data should not be inserted into the OSM database. A similar argument goes

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Volker Schmidt
From a practical point of view, I have always considered this a two stage approach. My concern are cycle and walking routes, not too much the road network. Especially for hiking networks, as a mapper you encounter the white and red labels, often with signposts and numbers, but you are unaware of

Re: [Tagging] Shark tagging

2012-08-02 Thread Volker Schmidt
Certainly this is not the first shark in a house. The shark of the shark house at *2 New High Street, Headington, Oxford OX3 7AQ, UK *is some 25 years old and present on OSM as node 31374891. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Headington_Shark :-) Volker On 2 August 2012 22:48, André Pirard

Re: [Tagging] on the name of a tag for landcover

2012-08-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
Still grass doesn't become a landuse. I woul dnot agree with this statement. In many areas of the world, grass is grown and harvested as (winter) fodder for animals. According to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landuse this is tagged as landuse=grass If the grass is used for grazing, the

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-21 Thread Volker Schmidt
You are allowed to cross a solid line, providing it is safe, to enter ajoining premises or a side road. In cases where this is prohibited there will be a sign and this should be tagged with a turn restrictions. The rules are country-specific. In the UK you are allowed to do this. In

Re: [Tagging] Potale

2012-08-28 Thread Volker Schmidt
André amenity: place_of_worship no historic: wayside_shrine yes name: potale du Christ only if this is the name given to the place by the local people or written on a plaque on the wall religion: christian ok, but optional There is some confusion with the definitions in Wikipedia.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=cross)

2012-09-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
I suppose that in non-christian-majority areas of the world mountain peaks are marked by other objects (I confess my complete ignorance). If such objects exist, it would be nice to include them in the new tagging scheme for peak crosses. On 21 September 2012 23:11, Friedrich Volkmann

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: Legally separated ways

2012-10-15 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would opt for (b) even though I know that this is not the offcial way of tagging. The reason: In section (4) the driver can still change lanes, at least on the middle lanes, whereas in section (5) he cannot (legally) change lanes any more between the middle lanes. This example clearly

[Tagging] Border crossing with restrictions

2012-11-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
I have encountered a border crossing Slovenia-Croatia that is only open for local residents, but closed for other people ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/468001076/). From the explanations on this web site of the Slovenian government

[Tagging] Bicycle room in a hotel

2012-11-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
Any established way to tag a hotel that has a lockable bicycle room for guests? Would service:bicycle:parking=yes be appropriate? This would be in line with other bicycle services the hotel may provide, like service:bicycle:rental=yes service:bicycle:repair=yes

[Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service

2012-12-06 Thread Volker Schmidt
I have tentatively tagged an on-call bicycle ferry service near Venice; Italy.(http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/194751713) It provides a service on several long-distance bicycle routes (relations). This is the Italian-only web page of the service:

Re: [Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service

2012-12-06 Thread Volker Schmidt
) --- Volker On 6 December 2012 13:36, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2012/12/6 Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de: Am 06.12.2012 12:48, schrieb Volker Schmidt: I think this isn't the name of the ferry-route, isn't it? So please don't use name-tag. The information you can

Re: [Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service

2012-12-06 Thread Volker Schmidt
I had looked into this possibility, but it would be a novelty: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=water_bus shows not a single use. And: The routes of the biggest Waterbus network of the Netherlands in Dordrecht is tagged as follows: Example: way

Re: [Tagging] château

2012-12-08 Thread Volker Schmidt
The French chateaux could be described by the tag historic=manor: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmanor I use it for Venetian villas in northern Italy. Volker (Padova, Italy) On 8 December 2012 20:50, A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have to tag a

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-15 Thread Volker Schmidt
...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: undergound power lines -- Volker SCHMIDT Via del Cristo 28 35127 Padova Italy mailto:vosc...@gmail.com personal mobile: +39-340-1427105 skype: volker.schmidt ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground

2013-01-15 Thread Volker Schmidt
Just to be sure, I have consulted my professional electrical engineer colleagues. We agree that there is some space for ambiguity. When one (overground) power line (which is composed of several conductors) goes underground, the power line continues as one or several underground cables, depending

Re: [Tagging] Re : As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
It happens often on mountain hiking routes. You have a signpost with the red-white sign of the Alpine Club that indicates the direction that you have to take across a meadow, for example. On the other side you have to find a corresponding sign. In between there may not be any visible path. In that

Re: [Tagging] Longitudinal Zebra

2013-03-26 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would map this as e dedicated footway connected to the zebra crossing on the main street. Volker On 26 March 2013 14:32, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I dig this because of the similar problem with different story and paint. This is the gate in a one-way school

Re: [Tagging] Historic huts

2013-03-27 Thread Volker Schmidt
What about: amenity=shelter historic=alpine_hut ruins=yes (if appropriate) Volker (Padova, Italy) On 27 March 2013 05:16, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Just wondering how best to tag the historic alpine huts we have in the mountains of southeast Australia. Some basic

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 42, Issue 26 Historic huts

2013-03-27 Thread Volker Schmidt
An alpine hut is a hut in high mountains as the alpine climate is a high-mountain climate or an alpine plant is a plant that grows in alpine climates. Alpine hut is used in this sense in OSM. There is even a wine growing area in Australia called Alpine Valleys, if I am not mistaken. :-) Volker

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tree Shrine

2013-03-29 Thread Volker Schmidt
This brings to mind another related mapping question: How to map a forest or nature cemetery (e. g. Friedwald in Germany) (1) (2) (3) where peoples' ashes a buried under selected trees, sometimes with labels, sometimes without. (1) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturbestattung (2)

[Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
I am sure this has been asked many times before: How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label access at your own risk ? Volker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
Don't think that this is the correct tag. permissive means that there is access now, but it can be withdrawn at any time. On 31 July 2013 17:34, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/7/31 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com I am sure this has been asked many times before

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
} with a regional default. -nik fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com schrieb: Am 31.07.2013 15:46, schrieb Volker Schmidt: I am sure this has been asked many times before: How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label access at your own risk This is no access sign ! It is posted

Re: [Tagging] Hiking tracks as POIs in Brazil

2013-08-08 Thread Volker Schmidt
What you are looking for is a tagging for trailhead I suppose. Are these trails signed (trailblazed)? I notice that the National Park OSM initiative does not propose an OSM tag for their trailhead sign (see: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_National_Park_Service_Tagging) I personally would

Re: [Tagging] office=kjuilmn ?

2013-08-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
There is another frequently used value in the same category: office=ngo Want to change that as well? I am unsure how strict we should be in this no-abbrevation business For me it seems OK as is. On 13 August 2013 15:26, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno 13/ago/2013,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of topographic areas with a name

2013-08-18 Thread Volker Schmidt
At the risk that this is mapping for the renderer, but what Wolfgang proposes is exactly how it is done on traditional paper maps. It gives you the possibility to label some loosely defined entity, by creating some labelling along a non visible way. However, there is a serious complication in

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-27 Thread Volker Schmidt
I am particularly interested in tagging cycling routes, including the national long-distance cycling network Bicitalia in Italy. In Italy cycle paths are frequently de facto blocked by chicane-type bicycle barriers. So my tagging is typically a node with barrier=cycle_barrier foot=yes

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-28 Thread Volker Schmidt
will not fit through. You can't readily predict in advance whether a real-life trailer that comes close to either maximum will fit through without examining the chicane. Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.comwrote

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-28 Thread Volker Schmidt
bicycle:trailer=no would say it's not ALLOWED to cross this barrier with a trailer - and that is simple but wrong. You have a point there. What I want ideally is the equivalent of width (which I can measure) and not of max_width (which is written on an official road sign). But on a cycle

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-28 Thread Volker Schmidt
In many cases (as shown on the web page) cycle barriers are not designed to make the rider dismount, just slow down. The bicycle=dismount should be used when there is an actual requirement to get off, such as a sign saying so or some steps. Here in Padova, Italy, these cycle barriers are more

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-28 Thread Volker Schmidt
And who is doing in your opinion: 1) the precision measurement of the barrier? 2) the precision measurement of the bicycle? 3) how does the routing work? You have to give it the paramaters of the bike trailer? This is simply not practical. We need a more pragmatic approach Volker On 28

Re: [Tagging] Ranger Station Tag Update (too anglo-centric)?

2013-08-30 Thread Volker Schmidt
On 30 August 2013 12:44, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO use amenity=ranger_station - no need to hide it in a subtag. If this is anglo centric other people where this feature doesn't exist simply won't use the tag. +1 Volker (Padova, Italy)

Re: [Tagging] waterfall

2013-09-24 Thread Volker Schmidt
why do you want to have a decision. We have 8615 waterway=waterfall 2395 natural=waterfall So they will coexist happily forever :-) On 24 September 2013 20:07, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it wrote: Why there'are two method for tagging waterfall? I see waterway=waterfall and

Re: [Tagging] waterfall

2013-09-25 Thread Volker Schmidt
2013/9/25 Pieren pier...@gmail.com 8615 waterway=waterfall 2395 natural=waterfall So they will coexist happily forever Any (good) reason to keep two tags for the same thing ? My argument is simply numbers: I presume that it will require manual work to convert either to the other,

Re: [Tagging] waterfall

2013-09-25 Thread Volker Schmidt
Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 25/09/2013 11:04 Yves wrote: Man-made waterfalls ? Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit : On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.comwrote: why do you want to have a decision. We have 8615 waterway=waterfall 2395

Re: [Tagging] waterfall

2013-09-25 Thread Volker Schmidt
schrieb Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: The Cascate delle Marmore is a clear case of waterway=waterfall, if you want to be extra-precise, as it is man made. The waterway tag does not care who made the way. :-) IMHO it doesn't matter if a feature tagged as natural=* is actually natural

Re: [Tagging] waterfall

2013-09-25 Thread Volker Schmidt
Hmmm. Many, if not all waterfalls are *not* vertical in the strict sense of the word. On 25 September 2013 14:47, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/9/25 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com Maybe waterway=waterfall could be a node on the way (or a a way, if waterfalls are

Re: [Tagging] Howto tag a play room

2013-10-01 Thread Volker Schmidt
A creche is something for regurlar use and typically for longer periods. Playground=playroom seems better to me On 1 October 2013 12:32, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: creche maybe. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 01/10/2013 10:58 Дмитрий Киселев wrote:

Re: [Tagging] cycle hierarchy

2013-10-03 Thread Volker Schmidt
How am I supposed to do that? The requirements for cyclists and motorized vehicles are vastly different. Even stronger, the very fact that something is a good long-distance route for motorists would often make it a worse candidate for cyclists, This is exactly why you should not tag

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
I have started using bicycle dismount mainly on nodes like pedestrian crossings (where by law you have to dismount) and bicycle barriers (to indicate that the obstacle forces you to dismount, unless you are an acrobat). Occasionally I have used it on ways where bicyckles need to be pushed, like

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Volker Schmidt
In my part of Italy - I don't know whether this is correct for the entire country - it is *normal *on cycleways that run parallel to roads that at every point where there is a lateral road, there is a *pedestrian* crossing across the lateral road where the cyclists are requested by law to

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Volker Schmidt
Just for your reference - while for many cases, I agree that bicycle=no is appropriate, there are quite interesting cycleways in the Czech Republic, where using bicycle=dismount for nodes on a path would make things easier for people editing OSM. Consider this:

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Volker Schmidt
(this thread is so long now, that I don't remember if I have inserted my problem with bicycle=no/dismount) Here in Italy we have heaps of pedestrian-only crossings, which are part of dedicated combined foot-cycle paths or even pure cycle paths. The legal requirements is that cyclists dismount

Re: [Tagging] access=exclusion_zone

2013-10-30 Thread Volker Schmidt
Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusion_zone it would be justified to have a separate tag for exclusion zones, but it would need additional tagging to specify the nature of the exclusion zone. This is not reflected in the Wiki tag description. Volker (Italy) On 30 October 2013 00:04,

[Tagging] How to tag max width at chicane-type bicycle barriers

2013-12-03 Thread Volker Schmidt
Here in Italy we have plenty of bicycle barriers or chicanes ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Barrier_examples), often with more than 2 inverted-U-shaped bars to make life even more difficult. They are used to prevent motorcycles from using cycle paths (not as in Germany to prevent bicycles

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2013-12-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
Two notes: 1) I see tracktype used in Italy on highways other than track and have don so myself. Happens for roads that are classified form their traffic importance different from track, but which are physically similar to track and threfore can be classified by tracktype 2) In Germany, Austria,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-03 Thread Volker Schmidt
I first reacted in the same way (is it an English word at all?). But then I looked it up on Wikipedia. There it is, since 2006(!), with correct Google translations in several other languages. On 3 January 2014 12:57, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Philip.

[Tagging] one-directinal bicycle dismount on oneway road ?

2014-01-19 Thread Volker Schmidt
I frequently need to map short pieces of a bicycle routes where cyclists have to dismount and walk their bicyle on a one-road in the wrong direction. I need something like a one-directinal bicycle dismount. Any suggestions? Volker Padova, Italy ___

Re: [Tagging] tag man_made=campanile to be replaced with man_made=belfry?

2014-02-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
Thanks Frank for pointing this out. Indeed bell_cage could be a better tag than belfry. Volker On 7 February 2014 23:49, Frank Little frank...@xs4all.nl wrote: St Niklaas wrote: Volker and Dave, There some in Holland as well, about 230 in totall.

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

2014-03-21 Thread Volker Schmidt
I did not know that this tag exists. Funny, but but there is a street her in Padova, Italy, where this tag could be used instead of the two separate roads used at the moment: http://goo.gl/maps/EZJVI On 21 March 2014 22:29, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 4:15

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

2014-03-21 Thread Volker Schmidt
It's in town, it's not a real problem. Italians are flexible :-) On 21 March 2014 23:22, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 23:13 +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote: I did not know that this tag exists. Funny, but but there is a street her in Padova, Italy, where

[Tagging] Offices of Bike Sharing services

2014-04-20 Thread Volker Schmidt
How should we tag the offices of the bike sharing services. That is the office where you can register and pay, but normally they do not have bicycles in the same location. We have one here tagged as shop=bicycle service:bicycle:rental=yes But this is not quite right. Office=bike_sharing also does

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-05-20 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would like to add a cyclist's comment for Italy. In the Po valley we have numerous waterways of all sizes many of which have paths/tracks/roads on the embankment. For cyclists there are three kinds of problems, regarding access: one is legal, the other two are physical: 1) Many have the sign

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
Sorry, I may have missed part of this endless discussion. But how do I tag a dead-end sign on a road (e.g. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zeichen_357.svg). These signs exist in various forms in various countries, and they are placed at the beginning of the road or stretch of roads which

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
. I had no doubt about it's use in this way, until I came across some discussion in a mailing list) On 31 May 2014 12:04, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 31/mag/2014 um 10:06 schrieb Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: But how do I tag a dead-end sign on a road (e.g. http

Re: [Tagging] Religious-neutral tags needed for religious objects/non-church places

2014-06-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
Hey guys - I had a question about tagging wayside shrines. The wiki posits that they are Christian, but I want to use them for another religion. The wiki does not posit that they are Christian, on the contrary: There is a subtag religion and the text says: Frequently found along the way in

Re: [Tagging] Signal-controlled roundabouts

2014-06-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
Good question. I think this is because originally it was, as many others in the UK, a true roundabout with priority in the ring. The traffic signals were added later to avoid blocking up the (ex-)roundabouts. I have seen many roundabouts in the UK go through these phases: New clean roundabout;

Re: [Tagging] Signal-controlled roundabouts

2014-06-17 Thread Volker Schmidt
It's certainly not a mini-roundabout, because the centre piece is not intended to be traversed by vehicles (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundabout) On 17 June 2014 22:43, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: How would you tag this intersection in Mountain View,

Re: [Tagging] Signal-controlled roundabouts

2014-06-17 Thread Volker Schmidt
No. One of the characteristics of a roundabout is that you have precedence when you are in it. In this case there is a main road that has precedence over the two minor roads. If you want to turn left (looking in the direction of the photo) you have to yield to oncoming traffic coming from the

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