[Tagging] tracktype=*;*;*

I'm seeing some tracks with multiple tracktype's like this: Way 364707088 [highway=track,  name=FR 514, tracktype=grade2;grade1;grade3] Is this generally accepted practice? If so, why? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Tag for Cornices?

worldwide. Brad Colorado, USA On 5/11/19 6:59 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Another user asked about a tag for a snow cornice, a cliff-like or overhanging snow and ice feature that often forms along a ridge in winter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_cornice "There doesn't appear to be a way t

[Tagging] track smoothness/quality

A pretty standard nomenclature on maps in the US for unpaved roads is Improved Road Unsurfaced Road (High Clearance) Four Wheel Drive Other variations exist , but not too dissimilar. Pretty simple and anyone who spends time in the mountains or forest gets a feel for what it means and has an idea

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

It's a typical mtn road, used mostly for recreation today, track is appropriate. On 7/7/19 2:37 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 7. Jul 2019, at 01:51, brad wrote: It is still used for a couple of mines (worked by 1 or 2 people), but mostly recreational use

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

Do we have close to a consensus that tracktype is not globally useful? The Key:highway wiki page and map_features could be changed from "To describe the quality of a track, see tracktype =*.: to "To describe the quality of a track, use

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

objective, so it should be mentioned,but I believe it is already suggested on most of the minor highway, path and track pages. On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:24 AM brad <mailto:bradha...@fastmail.com>> wrote: Do we have close to a consensus that tracktype is not globally

Re: [Tagging] Charging stations: socket::output -- which format for the value?

I don't have an opinion about kw or w, but if the value is only a number, then to prevent confusion and reduce mistagging the key should specify, output-kw=22 . On 7/29/19 5:00 AM, dktue wrote: I'd vote for kW aswell (and a value of "22" then), since we're not always using SI and not always

Re: [Tagging] roads with many names

So is F street, or 1st street a name or a ref? On 8/18/19 10:27 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: It looks like "CR 2" is a "ref" rather than a name, and so is FS 729.2B. A ref=, short for "reference number" (or more properly "reference alphanumeric string") is a set of letters and numbers that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

I think it's valid tag for a campsite,   It's not much different than any other self service coin operated laundry. On 9/17/19 4:27 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 17. Sep 2019, at 08:29, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I didn't think shop=laundry would work for a laundry room

Re: [Tagging] Charging stations: socket::output -- which format for the value?

On 7/30/19 2:59 AM, Warin wrote: On 30/07/19 12:38, brad wrote: I don't have an opinion about kw or w, but if the value is only a number, then to prevent confusion and reduce mistagging the key should specify, output-kw=22 . OSM typically places unit after the value. For examples see https

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

R - unclassified A - unclassified B - track C - residential On 8/4/19 3:46 AM, Tomas Straupis wrote: All right, let's make it more detailed and more extended. R R RAAA R A R R R R Now A and C are ways leading into the inner territory of residential building(s). But A has

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

Here's one, https://www.dropbox.com/s/agj4njek1r35vnz/2018-10-03-13.06.54r.jpg?dl=0 Maybe gets some maintenance every 10 or 20 years or so.  It is probably never soft, so it doesn't fit any tracktype definition. It is still used for a couple of  mines (worked by 1 or 2 people), but mostly

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

umpy, it’s probably passable by any vehicke with sufficient clearance and tire size, even when wet, unlike a track of unimproved clay, silt or loam which requires 4wd or is simply impassable when it rains? But I’m not an expert on 4wd. On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 8:58 AM brad <mailto:bradha...@fastmai

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

seen rocky soil. Brad On 7/3/19 2:09 AM, Mark Wagner wrote: Option 3 won't work. Locally, tracks come in two basic types: 1) A logging road created by a work crew with a bulldozer. Cut down any trees, scrape off any remaining vegetation, level the road side-to-side, and call it done. These r

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

I'm not sure what you mean by misleading.    The image I linked on jul 6 could be tagged as grade3 , It's mostly solid.    Is that misleading?    But you need 4 wheel drive, or an off road capable motorcycle to drive it.     Also look at the photos on the smoothness page.   None of them are

Re: [Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

I live in a single family home with a shared driveway.  The next door neighbor house is 7 meters from my house.  The driveway is about 10 meters shared, then it splits, about 10 meters to each garage.    If it were mapped, I think it should be tagged as driveway, but I don't think it's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - park_drive

It isn't limited to that. On 12/7/19 4:49 PM, Martin Scholtes wrote: Am 07.12.2019 um 18:59 schrieb brad: We already have park_ride tag.   I don't see the new tag adding anything? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:park%20ride?uselang=en-US https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/133916328

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - park_drive

On 12/6/19 7:59 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 04:09 Martin Scholtes > wrote: Hello, I would like to inform you that I have made a suggestion about park and drive. This resulted from a discussion in the OSM DE Telegram Chat.

Re: [Tagging] Cycling relation misuse

I'm in favor of being flexible for cycling routes.   A good example is the great divide mtb route in Canada & US.   It is probably not signed very well, if at all.   It was created by a non-profit & I don't think it is an official government route.   It is used by quite a few people, both on

Re: [Tagging] hiking and foot route relations - is there any consistent difference?

and are wearing lighter footwear. This seems all too typical for OSM.    Redundant tags, and over specify things. Brad On 1/11/20 9:08 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 10:03 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: To clarify, I don't see any problem with the existence of multiple tags

Re: [Tagging] Cooker or Stove in the kitchen?

For American English,   I think the common usage is still stove for a one piece unit.   Cooktop/oven for separate units, but I think stove/oven might be common also. On 1/15/20 9:20 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:26, Joseph Eisenberg

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

On 1/12/20 4:23 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Paris is the capital of France because it has all the main government facilities: the legislature, the executive, the judiciary and most ministries. Routes that are mapped in Openstreetmap need to be signed or marked in a visible way. Otherwise

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

I don't think we want or need an mtb= tag. Even though we don't need a path=mtb tag, I'd be OK with it.  It would be a shortcut instead of adding some of the other tags.  I don't think routers for cycle touring should rely on this though. I live in a popular mtb location (Colorado, USA), and I

Re: [Tagging] landuse meadow getting the right description emphases

On 3/15/20 6:31 PM, Warin wrote: On 16/3/20 11:02 am, brad wrote: Perhaps we should deprecate landuse=meadow I think there could be a distinction between a meadow (something that may have more 'other stuff' than grass), and grassland. What 'other stuff'? Grass covers a lot more than

Re: [Tagging] landuse meadow getting the right description emphases

On 3/15/20 3:14 PM, Warin wrote: On 16/3/20 6:01 am, brad wrote: On 3/14/20 9:47 PM, Warin wrote: Hi, The present description of landuse=meadow is; An area of meadow or pasture: land primarily vegetated by grass and other non-woody plants, mainly used for hay or grazing. That places

Re: [Tagging] landuse meadow getting the right description emphases

On 3/14/20 9:47 PM, Warin wrote: Hi, The present description of landuse=meadow is; An area of meadow or pasture: land primarily vegetated by grass and other non-woody plants, mainly used for hay or grazing. That places the land cover before the land use. The emphases should be on the land use,

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

On 4/2/20 1:32 PM, Dave F wrote: On 02/04/2020 20:02, brad wrote: No need for sympathy, I strongly agree with what you're saying. I think it's unfortunate that we even have the cycleway and footway tags, but they need to be treated as special cases of highway=path, Are you also suggesting

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

for a skinny tired road bike. I'm not screwing up routing, the router should not assume that a path is paved unless it says it is, or is tagged as cycleway. On 4/2/20 2:58 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: brad wrote: The proper tag is highway=path, foot=yes, horse=yes, bike=yes. That's an utterly

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

On 4/2/20 4:33 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: There is another aspect: The wiki page highway=cycleway states also " Tagging a way with highway =cycleway implies that the route is designated for bicycles." This means it implies, at least in Italy

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

On 4/2/20 10:02 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:54 AM Greg Troxel wrote: However, around me there is a convention that any dirt/unimproved/in-the-woods sort of thing is path, and in-town/paved/manicured sorts of are highway=footway. I started tagging trails as 'path' - and

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

On 4/2/20 10:56 AM, Dave F via Tagging wrote: And here we go again... If a way is designated for riding a bicycle then it's a cycleway, irrelevant of severity or conditions. The trouble with this is that very few trails are 'designated' for riding a bicycle.  They are legal for bikes,

Re: [Tagging] Definition and usage of Key:mtb:scale:imba?

I've never seen an official IMBA rating on a sign. I see both mtb:scale and mtb:scale:imba both used.   The wiki for mtb:scale doesn't make sense.   It's either skewed for extremely extreme riding or they don't understand gradient.   It says that for mtb:scale=1, gradient<40%.   This is

Re: [Tagging] Definition and usage of Key:mtb:scale:imba?

use it for all trails too, not just IMBA signed trails, or bike park trails.      I agree with everything that user Opadeira is proposing and I'll add some comments to the wiki talk page. On 4/22/20 7:12 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 at 03:03, brad <mailto:bradha...@fastmail.

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

OK, but it seems redundant to me.   A trail/path get tagged as a path.  There's a trailhead and a sign, it gets a tagged with a name.   Why does it need to be a route also? On 5/12/20 11:43 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:03 PM Peter Elderson wrote: My view is that a route

[Tagging] relations & paths

I see a lot of relations, type:route, which are only short trails/paths.   This is wrong isn't it?   Do you suppose that folks are doing this to get better rendering? Brad ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

as being 'wrong'? On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:17 PM brad wrote: I see a lot of relations, type:route, which are only short trails/paths. This is wrong isn't it? Do you suppose that folks are doing this to get better rendering? Brad ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

It isn't a route, except in OSM, it's just a trail. On 5/13/20 9:09 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:23 AM brad <mailto:bradha...@fastmail.com>> wrote: It isn't part of a route, it's the whole route.  I think that's a difference without a distinction in

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

e,_one_OSM_element ? No.  The route traverses the way, it's not the way. Okay. But surely this doesn't mean that every named footway or path should be part of a route relation. The bike trail that brad linked to, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/663

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

It isn't part of a route, it's the whole route. On 5/12/20 8:58 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:37 PM brad <mailto:bradha...@fastmail.com>> wrote: OK, but it seems redundant to me.   A trail/path get tagged as a path. There's a trailhead and a sign

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

On 5/23/20 5:59 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 5:42 PM John Willis via Tagging wrote: =path is such a horrible catch-all tag and one that is extremely entrenched - I am surprised no one has implemented a path=trail subtag, similar to sidewalk, so we can separate all the

Re: [Tagging] OHV greater than 50 inches (wide)

For your example, I would just tag it as motor_vehicle=yes.    From what I've seen, If OHV's >50" are legal, pretty much any motor vehicle is legal. On 9/1/20 2:30 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: In specifying access constraints for the roads it manages, the US Forest service makes a distinction

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

Since the name effects how the tag is used, the name is not irrelevant On 5/26/20 4:57 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: Exactly the name of any tag in OSM is completely irrelevant, it's as you say how it's used and documented which matters. The iD editor chooses to localise and abstract away the

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

I think I agree with what Kevin is saying, but I confess I'm not sure what the problem is.   In my area, even looking at a nearby big city,  most of the 'paths' are dirt trails.   There are some cycleways too.   I'm not sure anyone maps sidewalks. I think the fundamental problem is the original

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

I meant in my area On 5/25/20 3:47 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: May 25, 2020, 20:34 by bradha...@fastmail.com: 'm not sure anyone maps sidewalks. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.24167/21.01532=N https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/footway=sidewalk (only part of

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

On 5/31/20 3:34 AM, Daniel Westergren wrote: Ok, I took the liberty of drafting a proposal for a general description of how to map pathways (that is, all highways that are not for motor-vechicles). See

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

On 5/26/20 8:26 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 6:59 AM Andrew Harvey wrote: From what I can tell, the ask is a tag for a specific type of way which the person needs experience or preparedness before undertaking. But I'm lost and still not completely understanding what

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

Perhaps highway=service? I don't agree with calling a 2 track/road a path and I don't think that common usage, or the wiki says this either. /"This //tag //represents //*roads for mostly agricultural use*//, //*forest tracks*//etc.; often unpaved

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

Has as an example been found yet?   There are areas that are void of vegetation for most of the year, or even years, that change with the right amount of rain. On 7/13/20 3:47 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Many desert climates can be mapped as natural=sand (for dunes and other areas of sand),

Re: [Tagging] Path or track with many fallen trees

Usually this time of year there are many trees down from the winter, and trail users or the forest service will eventually get around to clearing them.   If there aren't enough motivated users, and/or the FS has abandoned it,  one of Andrews ideas is probably appropriate. On 6/25/20 6:56 PM,

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On 6/9/20 7:27 PM, Warin wrote: To me in OSM a 'path' has always been too narrow for a motor car (4WD or not) to pass. If it is wide enough for a car then it is not a 'path' in OSM so they must be tagged in some other way. Descriptions of 'path': On 10/6/20 5:53 am, brad wrote: "If a

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

at 1:55 PM brad <mailto:bradha...@fastmail.com>> wrote: > > It already says this: > "Some highway=track are used for various leisure activities - hiking, cycling, or as jeep/ATV trails. " > on the track wiki. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

I think it would be absurd to try to tag dangerous wildlife areas. It would just be an enormous region for rattlesnakes and mountain lions in the US.  Same for grizzlys up north or snakes in the south.   We have signs warning of rodents carrying plague around here, should we tag that too? On

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

I think if it's wide enough for a normal motor vehicle and is open for that, even if only service & emergency, it should not be =path.   track or service On 6/9/20 8:42 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: If the way is used by "law enforcement, emergency, and maintenance staff" motor vehicles then I'd

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

It already says this: "Some highway =track are used for various leisure activities - hiking, cycling, or as jeep/ATV trails. " on the track wiki. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack I propose changing the path page from

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

On 7/27/20 11:19 AM, Rob Savoye wrote: On 7/27/20 11:00 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: I'd go with highway=track and tracktype=*, surface=* and smoothness=* tags as necessary.  Given how inconsistent the 3 and especially 4 digit US forest service roads tend to be, I'd expect tracktype and smoothness

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for the renderer : One-way "flow" bicycle tracks

The tagging looks right,  but until the renderers pick up the oneway tag it doesn't seem hopeful. Changing the name is not right, and bicycle=permissive is not right either.   foot=discouraged would make sense, maybe the apps will pick that up? On 9/8/23 11:02, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a point-of-interest sign

Sorry for my email noise, I misread the email & my comment wasn't necessary On 12/30/22 02:03, Volker Schmidt wrote: Thanks, Brad. It is a pass, as there are two identical signs in opposite directions, 175 meters apart. The pass may have a name, after all, which is on another sign. Anyw

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

+1 If the only name is the route name I think it makes good sense to put it on the local way too, that's the name of the trail. Brad On 12/29/22 08:59, Zeke Farwell wrote: I've heard the assertion that a way has no name but the route that passes over it does many times.  While this is true

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a point-of-interest sign

I think you should check your data.   Looking at USGS topo, that point does look very close to the continental divide. Usually, but I suppose not always,  when you go over the divide you are going over a pass.  This one seems to be fairly flat so perhaps never got named. I don't use mapillary,

Re: [Tagging] Advice on names for disused/abandoned railways?

(even if it's just old_name) and when someone who knows more details comes along, they can put in more details. Not everyone knows about the details of an area's history! Brad ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpentry#Types_and_occupations Brad ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

I know the definition of pole is solid cylindrical object but if you look at the examples of poles on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole) lots of them aren't solid. Why not just stick with pole and tower? Mast, while it might be used for poles/towers, is usually used in the context of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - maze

://labyrinthlocator.com/ Brad ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] name:English, name:Español and lei sure:pitch pitch:? or sport:?

I've used leisure=swimming_pool. Using just pool seems ambiguous, and using pitch (i.e. field) for water just seems too weird. Brad On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:49 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/21 Eric Jarvies e...@csl.com.mx: or is it?: leisure:pitch

Re: [Tagging] [HOT] recording damage

For UNSDIT, I think it's at the bottom of this page: http://www.logcluster.org/tools/mapcentre/unsdi/unsdi-t-v2.0/ For example, the Light: Assessment Package zip file has multiple .xls files, at least some of which have a tab with definitions. On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Sam Vekemans

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

I'd forgotten about that--good point. Although surface as currently used seems to be mainly in the context of roads. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Could this not be collapsed into with surface=*? If not, what would be the relationship/difference

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Brad Neuhauser wrote: I'd forgotten about that--good point. Although surface as currently used seems to be mainly in the context of roads. There's nothing to limit it to roads - it describes the surface of a feature

Re: [Tagging] How do I amend the wiki Was[add leisure=swimming_pool to the core-features]

If you go to edit a OSM wiki page, just to the right of Save Page | Show Preview | Show Changes is a link for Editing Help, which does go to a page with links which will help in editing, including the wiki markup. On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:09 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Tagging] How do I amend the wiki Was[add leisure=swimming_pool to the core-features]

n Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 12/10/2010 23:02, Brad Neuhauser wrote: If you go to edit a OSM wiki page, just to the right of Save Page | Show Preview | Show Changes is a link for Editing Help, which does go to a page with links which will help

Re: [Tagging] how to tag US townships?

, to ensure a more common way of tagging across the globe, and not to end up with cities of 1000 residents for example.*** Just like the term township that Ant linked to, the same word can have different meanings in different contexts. Brad On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Antony Pegg anttheli

Re: [Tagging] how to tag US townships?

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:02 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/20 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: Aren't admin_level and place getting at slightly different things? admin_level is to mark official political/legal boundaries. place is to mark a...well

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] how to tag US townships?

. Brad ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] how to tag US townships?

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Peter Budny pet...@gatech.edu wrote: Andrew S. J. Sawyer assaw...@gmail.com writes: My thoughts are mixed in below. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:17, Peter Budny pet...@gatech.edu wrote: Antony Pegg anttheli...@gmail.com writes: tagging

Re: [Tagging] how to tag US townships?

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: From the place page: In most Western countries, the status of a location (whether it is a city/town/etc.), is decided

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] how to tag US townships?

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 03:01 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: Townships are at the same level as cities/towns/villages/other municipalities[1], [2]. I’m sure

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] how to tag US townships?

... On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 04:07 PM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Only in those states, of course. In Pennsylvania and New Jersey (and apparently the Dakotas?) it should remain admin_level=8. FYI, it's the same with Minnesota: cities

Re: [Tagging] RFC: new key Landcover

some good illustrative photos at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrubland On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 11/16/10 10:29 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/11/16 Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net: On 11/16/10 10:11 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer

Re: [Tagging] Airport subtypes

It was June, here's the start of the thread: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-June/002563.html On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: A scan through the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

For me, baby care sounds a lot like childcare/daycare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childcare Some possible alternatives: baby goods, baby supplies, baby products On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Osmisto osmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 04:23 +1000, John Smith wrote: These

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - deaddrop

To me, this sounds like a great thing to display *over* OSM data, but not *in* it. It seems similar to geocaches, which have their own infrastructure for people discovering and reporting about them. ie http://www.geocaching.com/map/beta/ On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Peter

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

are fun, but don't see how pipestem adds much information. Brad On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: How do we differentiate between driveways and pipestems? Pipestems are common in planned residential developments (at least in the US), where a number of houses

Re: [Tagging] Gas well = petroleum well?

Looks like pumping rig was approved in 2008: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpumping_rig http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpumping_rigTaginfo shows 208 objects: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/?key=man_madevalue=pumping_rig#wiki On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:54

Re: [Tagging] Gas well = petroleum well?

there were some missing underscores in the wiki page, which I fixed. the link to taginfo should work correctly now, and show the objects in the database. On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: On 2011-03-04 17:54, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo

club locations. Regarding dojos, is there something that could apply more generally than dojo (which seems to usually be used for martial arts)? For example, there is a fencing club near me, or what about a small aerobics or yoga studio? Thanks, Brad On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Richard Weait

Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo

if this is accurate? It would certainly explain the relative lack of gyms... Cheers, Brad PS--To me, fitness centre would eliminate any possible confusion with other usages of gym or gymnasium, but if gym has already been in wide usage, it'll do. PPS--In the US, gymnasium is definitely not limited

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

No, but I think neighbourhood is. :) The term neighborhood is used commonly in the U.S. as in the wikipedia article. On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote:

Re: [Tagging] steel worker and smaller concrete structures on site

worker. The other case you mention could be called a framer, although carpenter or just construction worker might be more common. Brad On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:03 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/4/15 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: I feel so confused... of course you

Re: [Tagging] steel worker and smaller concrete structures on site

, called tapers), then any finishing work (painting, woodwork, etc). Somewhere in there electrical and plumbing work gets done. In searching, I also came across the term ironworker which applies to larger buildings, bridges, etc. Brad On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:49 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare

adult day care might be taken care of by social_facility=outreach? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 4/21/11 7:46 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: On 21/04/2011 16:13, Flaimo wrote: created a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

I notice the suggested rendering is similar to schools. Don't know about other areas, but in the US, many childcare centers are run out of private homes, so that rendering might seem a little strange. Maybe in that case a node is a better choice. Also, if you really want to get into the

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

. This broader definition could also be used for other similar things, like military barracks. To take it a step further, something like residence_hall might be a better term than dormitory, but since it's got hundreds of uses already, just changing the definition might be enough! Brad On Mon, Jun 6, 2011

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

why not just stick with building=residential then? On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:55 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: I think it'd make sense to broaden the definition: Sleeping and living quarters provided by an institution

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

on a ship) On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:20 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: why not just stick with building=residential then? actually in the case of a monastery I would prefer dormitory because it is a dedicated place

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

just an FYI, one hyphenated tag still on the wiki in use is amenity=parking, parking=multi-storey On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:41 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=neighbourhood

? The distinctive thing about suburb as far as I can tell is that it's an area located outside a city center, and this distinction is pretty much self-evident from the map itself. Maybe there's a particular country or culture where suburb makes more sense. Thanks, Brad On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:00

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

as it is, so I'm not sure how another vaguely defined term thrown into the mix helps. Or, to ask a related question, why can't neighborhoods overlap and/or be contained within each other? Brad [1] ie http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2011-August/008438.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

Martin, I'm not sure the NYC example is helping. You mentioned this was discussed on the German mailing list--can you give some other examples from Germany (or whereever) about how this might be used? Thanks, Brad On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Wide steps

. for mountain bikes, while avoiding stairs upwards, as these are more difficult to use by bike. This double-tagging seems sensible. At least it would be analogous to using the riverbank area for wide rivers, but still maintaining a river way for network/flow direction purposes. Brad regards Peter

Re: [Tagging] Explain sport=multi

Another outdoors example is at a park or school where there is a field which is used for various sports--soccer, baseball, football, etc (even ice hockey when they create a rink for the winter)--at different times. On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.dewrote:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Coffee Roasting

You could also add coffee_roasting=yes to cafes if they roast their own beans? BTW, the proposed feature page is misspelled: needs another F Cheers, Brad On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.dewrote: :D working on maps software for the blind I like

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