Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-04 Thread johnw
The onsen icon (♨) is commonly used all over Japan (of course), and is a great icon (a hot bath with steam rising out) to represent a place to get a hot natural bath vs a natural park's hot-spring. Onsen always means naturally sourced hot water as well, vs a bathhouse (amenity=spa? showers?),

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-04 Thread johnw
by a business, similar to a lap swimming pool vs a pond, or a fire hydrant vs a spring. Javbw On Mar 5, 2014, at 10:13 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: The onsen icon (♨) is commonly used all over Japan (of course), and is a great icon (a hot bath with steam rising out) to represent a place

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=hop_garden

2014-03-05 Thread johnw
A rice field is a specialized field hat doesn't change . it is Landuse=farm crop=rice An eggplant field has almost the exact same setup, though shorter, and it is landuse=farm crop=vegetable the hop garden is visually distinctive, as is an orchard or a vineyard, and those do have their own

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-07 Thread johnw
But I don't know the correct word to represent Onsen in English. Is [something]=hot_spring_bath better? XX=hot_spring_bath would be perfect. I think, Onsen is the very unique word to represent bathing amenity, that water from natural hot spring. So, I would like to hear the situations of

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-07 Thread johnw
On Mar 7, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: I know of a number of each type of facility that I won't be adding to the map This is for an amenity for a building - like Sauna. not a natural=hot_spring (which is what you are talking about), so cool your waters.

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-07 Thread johnw
'Onsen' is in the Oxford Dictionary, defined as 'In Japan: a hot spring, esp. one thought to have medicinal properties; a hot spring resort'. well hot diggity-dog. There we go. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] leisure=events

2014-03-10 Thread johnw
Well, to me, landuse=civic it is the land that public owned, public accessed facilities that not covered by a specific existing landuse (works, water treatment plant, school, landfill, highways, railways). In the built environment (not natural), there are some *general* landuses, such as: -

Re: [Tagging] leisure=events

2014-03-10 Thread johnw
...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-10 10:52 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: Well, to me, landuse=civic it is the land that public owned, public accessed facilities that not covered by a specific existing landuse (works, water treatment plant, school, landfill, highways, railways). IMHO we should

Re: [Tagging] leisure=events

2014-03-10 Thread johnw
IMHO we do indeed have no need for building=public / civic. if I were back in San Deigo, I might agree with that, but having come to Japan, there is a definite and immediately recognizable distinction of city buildings, *and* they are used quite heavily. There is a known difference and a

[Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-13 Thread johnw
I'm very interested to hear people's opinion on landuse=civic_admin It would be a landuse for townhalls and other capital buildings, Federal Buildings, DMV, courthouses, and other basic civic administrative offices where it is clearly a government building. This is to have a matching landuse

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-13 Thread johnw
+1 for dirt. There is a distinct difference between a dirt and gravel roads, as well as sand. In the US, dirt roads - especially fire and forestry roads - are maintained for private and emergency access. Most of these roads are maintained by grading, but are not surfaced with gravel in any

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-13 Thread johnw
To me, Amenity=onsen is similar to amenity=townhall. for many onsen, there is no particular room you would say is the onsen, just like no particular room is the townhall, It is the title of the facility itself.. The purpose of the facility becomes it's name. There might be some small

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-14 Thread johnw
On Mar 15, 2014, at 5:05 AM, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: Well, any information you add does help. If you could use something more specific than dirt (gravel is more precise, for instance) Not when the road is dirt as opposed to gravel. I live on a gravel road in

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-15 Thread johnw
In summary: - tracktype tag=surface:compaction - smoothness tag=surface:regularity - surface tag=surface:material_structure That is how I understand it. the Smoothness is the most subjective one, but the others should be pretty straightforward. Javbw

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-15 Thread johnw
On Mar 16, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I'd consider neither courthouses nor government buildings administration. Federal buildings in the US are the equivalent to branch offices of the US government - basically national hall - they are very far apart,

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-17 Thread johnw
when mixed together? Or is the definition of townhall already that broad? Javbw PS: thanks for putting up with my comments and questions, especially when I am mistaken. On Mar 16, 2014, at 5:45 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 16/mar/2014 um 02:20 schrieb johnw

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-17 Thread johnw
On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: Replacing 'stiffness' with something else is absolutely fine with me. What about firmness? soundness? Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-18 Thread johnw
On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-16 23:11 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: I'd like to clarify what I said before that landuse=civic_admin would be useful. It would be useful for tagging the only the compounds where

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-21 Thread johnw
On Mar 21, 2014, at 4:06 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-20 19:24 GMT+01:00 Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi: They (civil features) don't exist to produce income (even if they somewhat do) so the commerce part is missing, but they exist because the society

[Tagging] Religious-neutral tags needed for religious objects/non-church places

2014-06-12 Thread johnw
Hey guys - I had a question about tagging wayside shrines. The wiki posits that they are Christian, but I want to use them for another religion. This led me to think about other religion-neutral tags main tags, and using a subtag for the object. here in Japan, there are probably tens of

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-17 Thread johnw
On Jul 17, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: landuse=japanese_temple_grounds, or landuse=buddhist_temple_grounds, or maybe something nicer. My Parent's presbyterian Church in San Diego has a very large chapel building, a religious pre-school kindergarten, a meeting

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-17 Thread johnw
Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 17/lug/2014 um 09:35 schrieb johnw jo...@mac.com: My Parent's presbyterian Church in San Diego has a very large chapel building, a religious pre-school kindergarten, a meeting hall, the church office building, and a playground

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-17 Thread johnw
Still not convinced about landuse=religious (could be owner_type=religious). On Jul 17, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 16/lug/2014 um 23:43 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: It is all a single place, operated by the monks and priests that live

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread johnw
On Jul 17, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised about this discussion. Think that amenity=place_of_worship has to be treated like amenity=school. Nobody is asking to create a landuse=school because it is rendered properly on the main osm style Besides this

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-23 Thread johnw
On Jul 21, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure if I completely understand your question. I think the rest (or whole area) can evventually be split over different landuses, that is not a problem itself. landuse is not suited (IMHO) to create a

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-24 Thread johnw
Martin - thanks for the thoughtful reply. I read it carefully, and I think you kind of misunderstood me again, please bare with me. On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-07-24 1:01 GMT+02:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: My Main question is on my

Re: [Tagging] About new landuses and superiority of cascading tag schemes

2014-07-26 Thread johnw
There's an interesting question. It is a salt evaporation pond , and it is a really old practice of making salt. the colorful south bay of san francisco is thanks to salt farming. But is refining a mineral really farming? Refining is usually considered industrial - but it was practiced with

Re: [Tagging] About new landuses and superiority of cascading tag schemes

2014-07-26 Thread johnw
@ martin - In Japan, the neighborhood industrial shops are really common, especially here in car parts land Gunma (Home of Subaru, Mitsuba and Ogura). We're talking two guys in a garage running (truly) industrial metal stamping machines to make simple brackets or whatnot for cars. Tokyo's

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-27 Thread johnw
On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: in this field (government agencies/institutions/services) we are lacking almost all tags, but I would prefer to use something different than landuse (or subtag for landuse) We're talking about a very simple

[Tagging] English translations in non-english countries

2014-09-12 Thread johnw
been tagging a while in Japan, and a lot of larger infrastructure things - roads, motorways, train stations, have english names added in parenthesis, such as for Tokyo Station [東京駅] : name=東京 (Tokyo) Name:ja=東京 name:en=Tokyo There are hundreds of things that care labeled that way, I continued

Re: [Tagging] English translations in non-english countries

2014-09-13 Thread johnw
On Sep 13, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: No local mapper wants to read München (Munich) on the map. So why should Japanese or Chinese mappers want to read something on their map? - if they were using a Japanese only map, then I can understand, but that would

Re: [Tagging] English translations in non-english countries

2014-09-15 Thread johnw
. Javbw On Sep 13, 2014, at 11:41 PM, Satoshi IIDA nyamp...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, johnw Japan local community had discussed about that on 2014/03. Thread is started here (quite long!) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2013-September/007600.html Summary is * Japan

Re: [Tagging] English translations in non-english countries

2014-09-15 Thread johnw
Missed that in August. Great to see it is being discussed at any level. On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:21 AM, Satoshi IIDA nyamp...@gmail.com wrote: wow! https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/803 My previous text should be insisted (past, at that time). I'll follow the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-16 Thread johnw
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like the end goal is: - to have junction names in korea, regardless of if they are traffic lights, and the symbol used there doesn't imply traffic lights, just a junction. - In Japan, the old junction system evolved to be named traffic signals, and the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-18 Thread johnw
17.09.2014 00:06, schrieb johnw: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like the end goal is: - to have junction names in korea, regardless of if they are traffic lights, and the symbol used there doesn't imply traffic lights, just a junction. - In Japan, the old junction system evolved

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-19 Thread johnw
On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: * Here, I still do not see your point. What would you gain in doing so? You have more tags, which means more work. But can you do anything that you can not do with the current, yet existing tagging? Differentiated tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-19 Thread johnw
I don't know much about how the rendering system parses the tags. I thought t would be non-trivial for it to work out how to display signal icons without a new tag, so I thought a new tag might be necessary, and gave my suggestion. I'm aware the current system is in use a lot for simple 1

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-19 Thread johnw
On Sep 20, 2014, at 6:37 AM, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: After thinking more about the tag name question: It may be useful to use for the complex situation at least the same key as for their conterpart in simple situations. This is intuitive (usability), and at the same time the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-19 Thread johnw
So the solution for a complex intersection is to have a signal_area area with an outline that intersects with all the nodes where the signal would affect the traffic? This would let the renderer use one icon, and still have the ways marked in the proper spot for the intersection, right?

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-20 Thread johnw
On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:13 AM, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: As described in the proposal, the area is simply drawn around the approximative area that is affected by the traffic signals. It encloses everything, but shares nodes only with the incoming and outgoing highways. So the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-21 Thread johnw
On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: It should be pretty trivial to have the area share nodes with the highway ways where the signals would normally be mapped. Like drawing a square around a tic-tac-toe board, but the shared nodes are only on one side at

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-22 Thread johnw
Wow, you really went over it very carefully, thanks for all the input. I will go over your list of issues again, but can you fix it to as how you would see this tag used? I'm very interested to see how you would properly tag it, as you know the parsing methods much better than I do ('cause I

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread johnw
Yea, it's a brothel - but it is avery particular style of brothel in Asia to get around the laws , and AFAIK has very different customs than what I imagine a more european or australian brothel is. because of the type of service that is expected, I don't believe it meshes well with what someone

[Tagging] Understanding links

2014-09-22 Thread johnw
I have a question on highway link roads. I came across some trunk_links that seemed really out of place today, but they were recently added by a tagger that usually knows what they are doing. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.30046/139.19574 The frontage road for local access to the

Re: [Tagging] Understanding links

2014-09-23 Thread johnw
On Sep 23, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: As I understand it, the local access roads would be an unclassified road with bollards or a kind of barrier at each end, and with trunk links, (or one way unclassified roads?) that lead onto the actual new trunk road.

Re: [Tagging] Understanding links

2014-09-23 Thread johnw
Sometimes you have frontage roads who mostly don’t give local access. Example http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=39.47925mlon=-0.45146#map=17/39.47925/-0.45146 Here the mapper decided to use “tertiary”. The road has mostly through-traffic. I would not make a strict rule for all cases, but

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-09-24 Thread johnw
If we are going to use landcover=forest/wood/ to unify the meaning of trees on the ground, then the current implementation of forest - the bright green with tree markers - should probably use the same color of wood green, as they are all just a large amount of trees. The forest still uses the

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-09-24 Thread johnw
Or make Highway=trunk a little brighter green, so it stands out against the wood even more. On Sep 25, 2014, at 8:59 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: If we are going to use landcover=forest/wood/ to unify the meaning of trees on the ground, then the current implementation of forest

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-03 Thread johnw
a few months ago I laid out the case for landuse=civic It's literal definition is a little restrictive, but basically all government admin and services. from a brance office of the city hall to the UN building. local to supranational. There was so much back and forth over it - do we need a

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-07 Thread johnw
On Oct 5, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno 04/ott/2014, alle ore 06:58, johnw jo...@mac.com ha scritto: Usually the government services are monopolistic - courts, police, elected officials (there's only 1 mayor) tax offices, DMV, etc

Re: [Tagging] Truckage company

2014-10-09 Thread johnw
On Oct 9, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com wrote: Other possible descriptions would be: “haulage” for large loads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haulage “courier” for smaller items. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier Distribution logistics is the *planning* of

Re: [Tagging] Truckage company

2014-10-09 Thread johnw
Distribution logistics is the *planning* of moving goods from a factory to the customer - the post office isn't a logistics company. Fedex or UPS, wich will pick up, store, warehouse, and ship another company's goods as they request them to be shipped to the customer for them is a

Re: [Tagging] Public lands with designated parking lots

2014-10-19 Thread johnw
It sounds like the parking is an amenity of the the trailhead. maybe tagging the trailhead as a point/area is a good thing. (amenity=trailhead or similar tag that could be for a point or area. This si especially useful for larger facilities where the whole reason for being is that the the

Re: [Tagging] service= tag confusion

2014-10-19 Thread johnw
There are several other uses of the service key, like on waterway=canal + service=irrigation. So there must be other tags where the documentation exists for the other uses of the service tag only with the parent key. Javbw On Oct 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Jack Burke burke...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread johnw
Isn't shopping centre a collection of disparate stores grouped together for connivence (same parking lot), whereas a mall is a singular large (or several large) buildings full of little shops, primarily accessed by a pedestrian Thoroughfare in the center? To me the defining characteristic is

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread johnw
The second is in no way, shape or form, a mall, in the modern usage of Mall' to define a shopping plaza destination. The word mall can also define a pedestrian walkway with shops, But the singular noun of Mall - meaning a large pedestrian centric shopping plaza - is very different than 5 shops

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread johnw
On Oct 21, 2014, at 8:21 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging To me analyzing the given examples it seems as if a mall was

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-10-31 Thread johnw
I was going to suggest Waste Transfer station http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dwaste_transfer_station But after reading the wiki for it, it was not at all what I expected. In America, at least in most suburban areas, waste is collected from individual residences via bins/cans

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-11-01 Thread johnw
is that odd locked box for). johnw wrote on 2014-10-31 07:00: I was going to suggest Waste Transfer station http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dwaste_transfer_station But after reading the wiki for it, it was not at all what I expected. In America, at least in most suburban areas, waste

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-03 Thread johnw
'. But as in amenity={hospital|school}, amenity=embassy can be applied to an area without hassle. tom John Willis wrote on 2014-10-07 23:47: Sent from my iPad On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-10-07 14:57 GMT+02:00 johnw : For example, I'm a foreign resident

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-03 Thread johnw
AFIK - footway and path are more toward the width, surface, smoothness, maintenance level, and expected use of the way. a sidewalk often gets tagged as footpath, as would be a concrete walkway in a garden. Paths are usually less maintained, less even, narrower, and lower grade surfaces.

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-03 Thread johnw
, johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com wrote: Civic is what I suggested a few months ago. but where the line is drawn is up for debate: what is included in this catch-all, and what isn’t. I’ve tried arguing that each class should have their own catch-all landuse - eg: we have residential

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-03 Thread johnw
, so it would be nice it the other contributors to this discussion would indicate under which title we should start it. tom johnw wrote on 2014-11-04 00:40: and the line between public and private is not one OSM singles out very much (is is a public school vs a private school

[Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains

2014-11-03 Thread johnw
Went hiking on mt Miyogi yesterday in Gunma, and like other steep mountain parks, sections of the trail were near vertical or completely vertical sections of trail that have to be climbed by chains and occasional footholds. the longest was over 30m. the shortest was about 4m.

Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains

2014-11-04 Thread johnw
Thanks Alberto, Mike Martin for the suggestions. I was a avid hiker in the US, but this was the first time for me to encounter such assistance devices myself. never knew their collective name until now. Dan - I understand about “tagging for the renderer” , but what you personally consider

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-04 Thread johnw
To me, Civic is short for Civic Services. Maybe I should make that clear. I updated the RFC page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dcivic http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civic : of or relating to a city or town or the people who live there : relating to

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-04 Thread johnw
to me, as long as we get a new landuse and some subtags out of it. On Nov 5, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: On 5 November 2014 00:23, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: Business-government-citizen-military-religion-farm-park. There's some mixing between them

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-04 Thread johnw
opposing civil or civic by the definitions you cited above, [...] What about using more specific definitions, e.g. landuse=public_administration? johnw wrote on 2014-11-04 03:56: Assembling a draft page. it is my first draft page, so my syntax is kinda crap. I will be working

[Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-10 Thread johnw
I’m not sure of other countries, but at least in the US, parking on top of retail structures is exceedingly rare - usually there are adjacent multi-story parking structures. It always seems that there is some kind of code or cost savings preventing it, always forcing it to be underground or

Re: [Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-11 Thread johnw
I was thinking of just.. Um.. drawing an area of the building, with levels=x, layer=1, then drawing the parking lot on top of it (it usually is a bit smaller and less than 100% of the top, elevators and AC and all), and then tagging the parking with Amenity=parking parking=rooftop / layer=2

Re: [Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-11 Thread johnw
. Javbw On 11.11.2014 06:38, johnw wrote: I assume there is a need to create a new parking=rooftop or similar tag, which can then be used to create more accurate renderers (perhaps by also placing the parking=rooftop tag onto the service=parking isle service roads, so

Re: [Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-11 Thread johnw
First Principle? However in a multistory buliding .. what are people coming to the building for? Should 'we' not map the purpose of the building The purpose of the building is indeed retail (almost always), but the purpose of the map is navigation. I wish to accurately tag and render

Re: [Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-12 Thread johnw
level=roof sounds fine to me. Roof always gets special treatment (it’s usually never a floor number) On Nov 12, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:22 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: 2014-11-11 12:53 GMT+01:00 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de

Re: [Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-12 Thread johnw
, at 8:33 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: What about more complex buildings with multiple roofs? 2014-11-12 12:27 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: level=roof sounds fine to me. Roof always gets special treatment (it’s usually never a floor number

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water tap

2014-11-12 Thread johnw
in the late 1980’s, they put non-potable signs on many springs in national parks because of the uncertainty of bacteria in the water (from horse poop), though people had been drinking from them since the parks creation (and earlier). There are places where access to water via spring or other

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-12 Thread johnw
If we are to split landuse=civic into civic_services and civic_admin, Then I would like some feedback on the categories things fall into. On the discussion page, I listed out some building types that would fall into either one, and I would like opinions on removals or additions to the lists.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water tap

2014-11-12 Thread johnw
. This seems to really require a non-binary solution. On Nov 12, 2014, at 10:16 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: Now that the tagging structure can handle roads, driveways, tracks and trails with very high levels of detail, the effort to refine the tags for even smaller and more local

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-13 Thread johnw
A couple more landuse cases were added. I’m going to ask now if it is a good idea to specifically exclude Police/fire/safety and give them their own landuse(s). Safety could cover the lifeguard/ski patrol/ranger buildings that are public or privately operated for the purposes of interacting

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-14 Thread johnw
On Nov 14, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 5:03 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: A couple more landuse cases were added. I’m going to ask now if it is a good idea to specifically exclude Police/fire/safety and give them their own landuse(s

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-14 Thread johnw
On Nov 14, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: it is a subkey for the buildings, to go with building=civic. My concern is about splitting a landuse polygon just to refine information that could be stored

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-14 Thread johnw
Updated and clarified the split of civic into 3 separate keys - civic_admin, civic_service, and civic_safety. Also discussed judicial and penal. civic_safety and penal are interesting, because there is no landuse for police stations, fire stations, jails or prisons. Martin suggested splitting

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-11-17 Thread johnw
How would I go about documenting the garbage/refuse cabinets? Just get a picture and put it into the wiki, or is there some other way? because it is a brand new proposal, I’m unsure of the procedure to extend it. Javbw It has been documented as voted yesterday

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-17 Thread johnw
On Nov 17, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-14 5:03 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: A couple more landuse cases were added. I’m going to ask now if it is a good idea to specifically exclude Police/fire/safety and give them

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-11-17 Thread johnw
On Nov 17, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: On 17/11/2014 15:14, althio forum wrote: I may have been stretching the 'Openstreetmap' case a bit. We were discussing how to properly tag kilns, with their method of firing and how many chimneys they have, so I

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-17 Thread johnw
On Nov 17, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: there will be more people with even more ideas and classification needs. Therefor the foo=bar, bar=x way of subtyping, which implies there is only one kind of subtyping, should generally be deprecated in

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-11-18 Thread johnw
Then how did mail relay box sneak through then? It was part of the initial proposal. It’s a box full of letters/parcels. Javbw. On Nov 18, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-18 8:32 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: updated

[Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread johnw
I have a question about creating custom road shields, and I know this ties into -carto - but I think it needs tags to work, so I’ll start here in the tagging list. I was thinking of a method for adding custom badges or shields to roads and generic objects - usually country specific things,

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread johnw
I think having it on the relation is a great idea, especially since adding the tags to all the road segments sounds like an insane amount of tagging . Is this something that we should ask Phil to create a formal proposal page for the tags, so we can start adding symbol key values to relations?

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread johnw
On Nov 28, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 11/27/14 6:48 PM, johnw wrote: I think having it on the relation is a great idea, especially since adding the tags to all the road segments sounds like an insane amount of tagging . Is this something that we

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-28 Thread johnw
On Nov 29, 2014, at 4:26 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:11 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com wrote: That looks really good. Some graphic designers need to remake the shields for icon size (bigger lettering, details ignored

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations convenience stores

2014-12-14 Thread johnw
Maybe in Japan a convenience store doesn't have food in it. Japan has the nicest conbinis you can find - you could actually eat a real (premade) lunch every day from a convenience store here, rather than getting food poisoning from a hot dog at one in the US. However - to them Fast food

Re: [Tagging] Moveable objects tagged as building=*

2014-12-15 Thread johnw
One of the driving schools I went to is a permanent course laid out on a flood plain ( as is the soccer fields and helipads), but as it is inside a leveed flood canal, they are not allowed to build permanent buildings. So the driving school uses a bus. It has a desk, a waiting room, and

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-15 Thread johnw
working on a proposal for civic landuses, and a subtag for building=civic for all kinds of governmental buildings and services. Your input is appreciated. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dcivic javbw On Dec 16, 2014, at 7:30 AM, John F. Eldredge

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations convenience stores

2014-12-15 Thread johnw
The best way is probably locals developping a tagging scheme for their field. The only problem then would be cuisine types that don't exist in the country of which they pretend to come from ;-) Yep - I’m sure the traditional, sushi, soba, udon, and maybe even the imported-from-china ramen

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-16 Thread johnw
johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: working on a proposal for civic landuses, and a subtag for building=civic for all kinds of governmental buildings and services. Your input is appreciated. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dcivic http

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-16 Thread johnw
. I had no idea there were so many kinds of pizza in Italy!^__^ Javbw On Dec 16, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-12-16 12:36 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: Building=Civic + civic=civic_services if it offers something

Re: [Tagging] craft=builder definition?

2014-12-16 Thread johnw
It’s interesting that wherever you go, the “builder” people all seem to have their own culture and identity - and uniform. The construction workers in america that frame houses all seem to be part of of a big club, and the specialty wooden house people here in Japan - daiku-san (大工さん) , with

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread johnw
usually, the purpose of visiting a playground is to, um, visit the playground. The purpose of a play area is (AFIK) a place to deposit the kids while (one of) the adults do something else, or as a amenity to a more serious or boring place place where the kids can have their attention taken

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Beaver dam? Wrecked bridge? Hallucinatory roads in TIGER?

2014-12-23 Thread johnw
It's also time perhaps to talk about a trailhead symbol. +1 being able to tag (then get renderings for) trailheads would be a big plus. names should also be rendered in a distinct manner as well. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] correct access tagging for tourist attraction

2014-12-24 Thread johnw
perhaps use the =destination tag instead of =private on the road you are supposed to use. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access I think that unless you are an invited guest and have a drawn map and permission from the owner, a private

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