Re: [Tagging] landuse for arboretum
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: beside, that I had to ask leo what conservation means and I'm still not sure. Don't be too generic with tags. landuse=conservation means that the primary use of the land is to conserve natural resources (in this case trees). Often it's land that's kept in the natural state - around here a developer may grant a 'conservation easement' to the government, meaning that the land cannot be developed. It's also rendered on Mapnik and Osmarender: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.4134lon=-81.43495zoom=17layers=M ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] landuse for arboretum
2010/11/11 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: landuse=botanical_garden is too specific for landuse IMHO. There is already a proposal for a botanical_garden subtype: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Garden_specification I agree that leisure is not a good key (similar to tourism). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] landuse for arboretum
2010/11/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: beside, that I had to ask leo what conservation means and I'm still not sure. Don't be too generic with tags. landuse=conservation means that the primary use of the land is to conserve natural resources (in this case trees). Often it's land that's kept in the natural state - around here a developer may grant a 'conservation easement' to the government, meaning that the land cannot be developed. Isn't this kind of information better covered by boundary=protected_area ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] landuse for arboretum
On 11/11/2010 02:18, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: perhaps: landuse=botanical_garden collection=arboretum|fruticetum|viticetum|pinetum|... I'd prefer keeping landuse values at a minimum, and using subtags where necessary. For example landuse=residential something=apartments, not landuse=apartments. Would landuse=conservation work for an arboretum? 'Conservation' is often not the main purpose of an arboretum (or botanic garden). Conservation is very vague and ambiguous word anyway, it doesn't actually tell you much about what is there, or what the land is used for. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] landuse for arboretum
i'm currently doing the boundaries for the Pine Hollow Arboretum south of Albany NY. none of the current landuse/natural tags seem quite appropriate. landuse=forest and natural= wood are closest, but i'd hesitate to use either without a subtype tag indicating that it's specifically an arboretum (denoting a site where trees in a natural setting, not necessarily local to the site, may be viewed.) an arboretum sort of sits in the middle between the two classifications, it's managed in a limited way in that there are intentional plantings of interesting trees, but the management is limited in that dead trees may not be cleared, etc. i'm using landuse=forest for now, but would like to invite discussion of which main tag is really appropriate and what subtype tag might be used. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] landuse for arboretum
On 10/11/2010 22:01, Richard Welty wrote: i'm currently doing the boundaries for the Pine Hollow Arboretum south of Albany NY. none of the current landuse/natural tags seem quite appropriate. landuse=forest and natural= wood are closest, but i'd hesitate to use either without a subtype tag indicating that it's specifically an arboretum (denoting a site where trees in a natural setting, not necessarily local to the site, may be viewed.) an arboretum sort of sits in the middle between the two classifications, it's managed in a limited way in that there are intentional plantings of interesting trees, but the management is limited in that dead trees may not be cleared, etc. i'm using landuse=forest for now, but would like to invite discussion of which main tag is really appropriate and what subtype tag might be used. Wouldn't it be covered by leisure=garden? ie Place where flowers and other plants are grown in a decorative and structured manner or for scientific purposes. Its just it specifically focuses on trees, as opposed to flowers or other plants. Maybe with a subtag to specify it is an arboretum? There is a proposal for extra tags for garden types: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Garden_specification Though I do think that landuse=forest vs natural=wood is a mess. Better to just use one tag for any area covered by trees, then use extra tags for whether it is 'natural' or managed, what it is used for, and what types of trees etc. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] landuse for arboretum
On 11 November 2010 08:27, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: Wouldn't it be covered by leisure=garden? ie Place where flowers and other plants are grown in a decorative and structured manner or for scientific purposes. Its just it specifically focuses on trees, as opposed to flowers or other plants. That seems wrong, they aren't for leisure so much as a preserve to make sure species of trees will survive at least in one place... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] landuse for arboretum
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:28 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 November 2010 08:27, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: Wouldn't it be covered by leisure=garden? ie Place where flowers and other plants are grown in a decorative and structured manner or for scientific purposes. Its just it specifically focuses on trees, as opposed to flowers or other plants. That seems wrong, they aren't for leisure so much as a preserve to make sure species of trees will survive at least in one place... landuse=conservation? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] landuse for arboretum
On 11/10/10 7:28 PM, John Smith wrote: On 11 November 2010 08:27, Craig Wallacecraig...@fastmail.fm wrote: Wouldn't it be covered by leisure=garden? ie Place where flowers and other plants are grown in a decorative and structured manner or for scientific purposes. Its just it specifically focuses on trees, as opposed to flowers or other plants. That seems wrong, they aren't for leisure so much as a preserve to make sure species of trees will survive at least in one place... arboretums can be for conservation, for education and for research. wikipedia articles are not always helpful, but the article on arboretums is pretty decent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arboretum perhaps: landuse=botanical_garden collection=arboretum|fruticetum|viticetum|pinetum|... the distinction from leisure=garden would be that botanical_gardens are more oriented towards scientific/educational usage rather than leisure. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] landuse for arboretum
On 11 November 2010 12:18, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I'd prefer keeping landuse values at a minimum, and using subtags where necessary. For example landuse=residential something=apartments, not landuse=apartments. Would landuse=conservation work for an arboretum? +1 landuse=conservation conservation=botanical or something to that effect... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
