Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)
We collected the list of the brick kilns from Brick kiln association for Kathmandu Valley and even mapped the kilns from the satellite image as they are distinct features. We went to the field where the brick kilns are located, asked the authorized person for the information and permission to upload the data in openstreetmap. While uploading the data to the openstreetmap the necessary tags were not available, which is the reason for proposing the additional tags. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Tue, 2014-10-21 at 02:21 -0700, Megha Shrestha wrote: We collected the data from field survey. By field survey what do you mean? You can obviously collect data from what you can see, from signs. But my concern is much of this information could be seen as commercially sensitive, where does this information come from? Have you the necessary permissions to use that information? Was the person giving it authorised to do so? Did the person giving it understand how you intend to use the information? Phil (trigpoint) On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-21 10:27 GMT+02:00 Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com: We are not about to import any dataset instead we will manually upload the data to osm. how did you collect the data, e.g. about landownership, the numbers of male and female workers, etc.? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)
We are not about to import any dataset instead we will manually upload the data to osm. Cheers, Megha On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-19 7:10 GMT+02:00 Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com: Thank you for the suggestion. These are the details that are already available to us and I think they can be huge help if made open which is the reason for me to suggest this tag. I have gone through your suggestions and will make the required edits. Use of existing tag can be a help. I will add the additional information you said will be relevant to the proposal page. There is no such community that keeps these data updated but we are the representatives of OSM in Nepal and we are trying to get data updated regularly in OSM and this is also a part of our project. As you are probably going to import data into OSM you should be aware that there are guidelines which you are required to follow, which contain besides other things the requirement of writing to the import mailing list and documenting everything in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)
2014-10-21 10:27 GMT+02:00 Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com: We are not about to import any dataset instead we will manually upload the data to osm. how did you collect the data, e.g. about landownership, the numbers of male and female workers, etc.? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)
We collected the data from field survey. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-21 10:27 GMT+02:00 Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com: We are not about to import any dataset instead we will manually upload the data to osm. how did you collect the data, e.g. about landownership, the numbers of male and female workers, etc.? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)
On Tue, 2014-10-21 at 02:21 -0700, Megha Shrestha wrote: We collected the data from field survey. By field survey what do you mean? You can obviously collect data from what you can see, from signs. But my concern is much of this information could be seen as commercially sensitive, where does this information come from? Have you the necessary permissions to use that information? Was the person giving it authorised to do so? Did the person giving it understand how you intend to use the information? Phil (trigpoint) On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-21 10:27 GMT+02:00 Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com: We are not about to import any dataset instead we will manually upload the data to osm. how did you collect the data, e.g. about landownership, the numbers of male and female workers, etc.? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)
2014-10-19 7:10 GMT+02:00 Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com: Thank you for the suggestion. These are the details that are already available to us and I think they can be huge help if made open which is the reason for me to suggest this tag. I have gone through your suggestions and will make the required edits. Use of existing tag can be a help. I will add the additional information you said will be relevant to the proposal page. There is no such community that keeps these data updated but we are the representatives of OSM in Nepal and we are trying to get data updated regularly in OSM and this is also a part of our project. As you are probably going to import data into OSM you should be aware that there are guidelines which you are required to follow, which contain besides other things the requirement of writing to the import mailing list and documenting everything in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)
Thank you for the suggestion. These are the details that are already available to us and I think they can be huge help if made open which is the reason for me to suggest this tag. I have gone through your suggestions and will make the required edits. Use of existing tag can be a help. I will add the additional information you said will be relevant to the proposal page. There is no such community that keeps these data updated but we are the representatives of OSM in Nepal and we are trying to get data updated regularly in OSM and this is also a part of our project. I find these data relevant especially in the environment aspect and people should have access to these data as I found that brick kilns are not much mapped in OSM. About the operating season and the market they are quite stable in case of Nepal for other countries I do not have much idea. I think landownership can be added as a tag as brick kiln are mapped as an area. I hope my explanation works and I will make edits to the page. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:50 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-15 6:31 GMT+02:00 Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/brickkiln I have seen on your proposal page that you are aware of the introduced man_made=kiln http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dkiln My suggestion is to use this established tagging scheme. If the only problem you see is that there are no size connotations on a node, then please use that tag on an area. There is also a suggestion to add product=bricks on the kiln page, so rather then proposing a new tag brickkiln you could use man_made=kiln and product=bricks You are also proposing a long list of additional tags, some of which are very detailed and I am not sure if these details are available to anyone besides the operator of the kiln (but that's not a problem, time will show which tags get adopted by the mappers and which aren't). If you are interesting in evaluating these tags I'd propose you add a list of possible values to these tags. In particular: firing http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:firingaction=editredlink=1 =* Type of firing used. eg: continuous what are the other firing types? chimney http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:chimneyaction=editredlink=1 =yes/no To denote the existence of the chimney chimney http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:chimneyaction=editredlink=1 :number http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:numberaction=editredlink=1 =* Number of the chimney in the brick kiln area maybe chimney:amount would be easier to understand? or chimney_count (similar to step_count for steps)? chimney http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:chimneyaction=editredlink=1 :height http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:height=height in meters Height of the top of the chimney from ground-level in meters. (like Tag:man made=tower http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dtower) chimney http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:chimneyaction=editredlink=1 :category http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:categoryaction=editredlink=1 =* Type of chimney existing in the brick kiln area My suggestion would be to map the chimneys individually with their own objects. You could then omit the related chimney tags on the kiln area and use simple and well established general tags like height on the individual chimney. Also the chimney number would be mapped implicitly by mapping the single chimneys. fuel http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fuel=* Fuel used to heat the kiln quantity_fuel http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:quantity_fuelaction=editredlink=1 =* Quantity of the fuel required required for what? In what time? In what unit should it be entered (if at all)? Maybe this is a detail that is hard to get. moulding_process http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:moulding_processaction=editredlink=1 =* The moulding process used to produce bricks what are the possibilities/suggested values? drying_system http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:drying_systemaction=editredlink=1 =* Drying system used to dry the bricks what are the possibilities/suggested values? material http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:material=* Type of material used to produce bricks if this refers to the bricks and not to the kiln, the tag should be different, e.g. brick:material or brick:type what are the possibilities/suggested values? production http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:productionaction=editredlink=1 =* Actual production of the brick kiln what does this mean? Whether the kiln is active? The type of bricks it produces? production_capacity http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:production_capacityaction=editredlink=1 =* The
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)
2014-10-15 6:31 GMT+02:00 Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/brickkiln I have seen on your proposal page that you are aware of the introduced man_made=kiln http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dkiln My suggestion is to use this established tagging scheme. If the only problem you see is that there are no size connotations on a node, then please use that tag on an area. There is also a suggestion to add product=bricks on the kiln page, so rather then proposing a new tag brickkiln you could use man_made=kiln and product=bricks You are also proposing a long list of additional tags, some of which are very detailed and I am not sure if these details are available to anyone besides the operator of the kiln (but that's not a problem, time will show which tags get adopted by the mappers and which aren't). If you are interesting in evaluating these tags I'd propose you add a list of possible values to these tags. In particular: firing http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:firingaction=editredlink=1 =* Type of firing used. eg: continuous what are the other firing types? chimney http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:chimneyaction=editredlink=1 =yes/no To denote the existence of the chimney chimney http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:chimneyaction=editredlink=1 :number http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:numberaction=editredlink=1 =* Number of the chimney in the brick kiln area maybe chimney:amount would be easier to understand? or chimney_count (similar to step_count for steps)? chimney http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:chimneyaction=editredlink=1 :height http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:height=height in meters Height of the top of the chimney from ground-level in meters. (like Tag:man made=tower http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dtower) chimney http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:chimneyaction=editredlink=1 :category http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:categoryaction=editredlink=1 =* Type of chimney existing in the brick kiln area My suggestion would be to map the chimneys individually with their own objects. You could then omit the related chimney tags on the kiln area and use simple and well established general tags like height on the individual chimney. Also the chimney number would be mapped implicitly by mapping the single chimneys. fuel http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fuel=* Fuel used to heat the kiln quantity_fuel http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:quantity_fuelaction=editredlink=1 =* Quantity of the fuel required required for what? In what time? In what unit should it be entered (if at all)? Maybe this is a detail that is hard to get. moulding_process http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:moulding_processaction=editredlink=1 =* The moulding process used to produce bricks what are the possibilities/suggested values? drying_system http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:drying_systemaction=editredlink=1 =* Drying system used to dry the bricks what are the possibilities/suggested values? material http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:material=* Type of material used to produce bricks if this refers to the bricks and not to the kiln, the tag should be different, e.g. brick:material or brick:type what are the possibilities/suggested values? production http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:productionaction=editredlink=1 =* Actual production of the brick kiln what does this mean? Whether the kiln is active? The type of bricks it produces? production_capacity http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:production_capacityaction=editredlink=1 =* The production capacity of the brick kiln measured in which unit? I'd suggest to use capacity like it is suggested in the klin reference. quality_brick http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:quality_brickaction=editredlink=1 =* Amount of quality bricks is this a QA thing? Should it be a percentage of capacity? I think I'd do it the other way round if significant and varying a lot between different kilns. Something like discard=65% brick_kind http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:brick_kindaction=editredlink=1 =* Kind of bricks produced what are the possibilities/suggested values? workers http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:workersaction=editredlink=1 =* Number of workers workers http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:workersaction=editredlink=1 :male http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:male=* Number of male workers workers http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:workersaction=editredlink=1 :female http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:female=* Number of female workers could be ok to tag, but how are you going to get these numbers? How much do they vary? Is there a
