Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)
On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. [...] OSM is 90% argument, 5% dead-end discussions and 5% progress. The whole is not a marketable product; it's not fit to be rated as 'beta'. Is this a significant cause of ex-mappers ? It's a flipping brilliant project but sadly lacking a great leader. It seems you are deeply unsatisfied with how OSM works. And your broad assertions such as that OSM is not fit or is 90% argument are completely unfounded. Sure, OSM is not perfect but I seriously doubt that the k=v design or some other point you have raised is the culprit. Feel free to leave and create a separate project. You can even be the great leader for that new project that you think OSM needs. If your ideas are indeed better, then your project will succeed and you can then prove OSM wrong. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:04 PM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: iD shows oneway=unknown if it's not set. If it's unknown, iD should not show oneway at all. OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. Similarly are 'categories' like man_made', and 'amenity'. Why can we not simply stick to hard facts rather guessing what categor(ies) an object fits in -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* Perhaps http://wikimapia.org/ will better match your needs, and offer more peace for your family, property and pets. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)
On 6/3/15, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jun 2, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com mailto:pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. [...] OSM is 90% argument, 5% dead-end discussions and 5% progress. The whole is not a marketable product; it's not fit to be rated as 'beta'. Is this a significant cause of ex-mappers ? It's a flipping brilliant project but sadly lacking a great leader. It seems you are deeply unsatisfied with how OSM works. And your broad assertions such as that OSM is not fit or is 90% argument are completely unfounded. I don’t know; there are a bunch of fairly key and active OSM people who unsubscribed from the lists precisely because they felt it was mostly circular argument. Yes, people leave mailing lists because of the endless arguments and constant bike-shedding. But that does not constitute 90% of OSM. I am willing to bet that majority if not 90% of OSM activity is of mappers actually mapping. Mailing list discussions is a really small slice of the overall OSM activity. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)
On 3 June 2015 at 01:37, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: Hi Mike, Please propose an alternative. I see an awful lot of good in OSM and I think it's a great project. I've had it agreed with another about it being such a mess - but the fact it's such a worthwhile project it's worth battling on with it - even if, sadly, others have succumbed to the nightmares around every corner. An alternative would be wrong, it is this that needs fixing and it needs a lot of 'tricky' effort to see the good from the not so good. It's like one team at both ends of a thick 'tug of war' rope, not really sure which way to pull for the best whilst each has in their hand only a mere strand to that rope. I think everything is overwhelmed yet the whole thing is clearly in its infancy - with diseases, viruses and god-knows what being thrown at it at all times from all angles. The freedom to make up any tags is brilliant while likely being one of the biggest problems - that not simply throws simple problems but really complex multi-dimensional ones with 'language' issues for one thing, the fact OSM is secretly 2 maps (at least!!) in one where in the main the two are compatible and other places where clearly they're not. Computers frequently come up with an answer. OSM rarely does; likely many answers or none at all. Digital, analogue, fuzzy logic all put into a blender and whizzed for a few seconds - and each time this is tried a different result is found. Consistently inconsistent. I think in the end it will work - but the effort required to get there will be far greater than the sum of its parts. Take one aspect - quality - there's the whole gamut from true to false - anyone can't assume anything about OSM data - and if different people around the world wrote a report on it, none of the resulting reports would agree ! I can't produce some magic answer without some agreement :) -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
