Re: [Tagging] Campaniles tagging

[Dave F]

Shouldn't these be tagged as a subset of bell_tower?

On 12/03/2018 06:54, Tomasz Wójcik wrote:


Currently there are 2 tags for campaniles, which has no difference 
between each other:


* man_made=tower + tower:type=campanile
* man_made=campanile

I think we should move "man_made=campanile" to "man_made=tower + 
tower:type=campanile" combination, which will mach to the rest of a 
towers tagging scheme:


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tower:type



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Re: [Tagging] Campaniles tagging

[José G Moya Y .]

I think I send a message in the past about how to tag a Carillon that is
not a man_made=tower (Carillon in the wall of a building). I think I
finally put it in the tourist_attraction category.

El 12/3/2018 10:55, "Max"  escribió:

> Related information: What type of bell is in there?
> Just one, or a whole Carillon?
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bell
> Missing info there is the material of the bells: Bronze, Glass, Porcellain
>
> On 12.03.2018 07:54, Tomasz Wójcik wrote:
> > Currently there are 2 tags for campaniles, which has no difference
> > between each other:
> >
> > * man_made=tower + tower:type=campanile
> > * man_made=campanile
> >
> > I think we should move "man_made=campanile" to "man_made=tower +
> > tower:type=campanile" combination, which will mach to the rest of a
> > towers tagging scheme:
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tower:type
> >
>
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Re: [Tagging] Campaniles tagging

[Max]

Related information: What type of bell is in there?
Just one, or a whole Carillon?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bell
Missing info there is the material of the bells: Bronze, Glass, Porcellain

On 12.03.2018 07:54, Tomasz Wójcik wrote:
> Currently there are 2 tags for campaniles, which has no difference
> between each other:
>
> * man_made=tower + tower:type=campanile
> * man_made=campanile
>
> I think we should move "man_made=campanile" to "man_made=tower +
> tower:type=campanile" combination, which will mach to the rest of a
> towers tagging scheme:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tower:type
>

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Re: [Tagging] Campaniles tagging

[Volker Schmidt]

There is more to this.

What's the difference between "campanile" and "bell_tower" (independently
form the tagging scheme)?
Hint: the English Wikipedia redirects to the Bell Tower page (no indication
that a "campanile" is free-standing)

The English wiki page for "man_made=campanile" says:
"A free standing bell tower, typically near a church. "
However (nearly) all bell towers in Italy, many of which are free-standing,
are tagged as bell_tower.
The English wiki page for tower:type=bell_tower says:

   - bell_tower
   

   =campanile
   

   - free standing bell tower derived from Italian *campana* - bell)
   - bell_tower
   

   =klockstapel
   

   - free standing wooden belfry (in Northern Europe)
   - bell_tower
   

   =bell_gable
   

   - flat belfry (Spanish *Espadaña*)

but the English wiki page for tower:type=campanile shows the photograph of
a klockstapel.

statistics:
man_made=tower + tower:type=campanile (164)
man_made=campanile (798)
man_made=tower and tower:type=bell_tower (10717)
man_made=bell_tower (33)
bell tower=klockstapel (15)
bell_tower=bell_gable (1)

In Northern Italy:
(man_made=tower and tower:type=campanile) or man_made=campanile (<200) (not
all of which are free-standing)
man_made=tower and tower:type=bell_tower (~6000), of which I would guess
the large majority are free-standing

Conclusion:
The wiki pages do not describe the actual use of the tags.
In particular the "campanile" tag is rarely used and most free-standing
bell towers are tagged as bell_tower (in my view the correct English term)
and not with the Italian term "campanile".

The campanile tag is used as a variant of bell_tower with no specific
distinction with regard to free-standing-ness or not.











On 12 March 2018 at 07:54, Tomasz Wójcik  wrote:

> Currently there are 2 tags for campaniles, which has no difference between
> each other:
>
> * man_made=tower + tower:type=campanile
> * man_made=campanile
>
> I think we should move "man_made=campanile" to "man_made=tower +
> tower:type=campanile" combination, which will mach to the rest of a towers
> tagging scheme:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tower:type
>
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Re: [Tagging] Campaniles tagging

[Simone Saviolo]

2018-03-12 7:54 GMT+01:00 Tomasz Wójcik :

> Currently there are 2 tags for campaniles, which has no difference between
> each other:
>
> * man_made=tower + tower:type=campanile
> * man_made=campanile
>
> I think we should move "man_made=campanile" to "man_made=tower +
> tower:type=campanile" combination, which will mach to the rest of a towers
> tagging scheme:
>
I agree that we should. The tower:type scheme makes more sense to me.

Regards,

Simone
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