Re: [Tagging] Default values for residential roads and living streets

2018-02-12 Thread Warin

On 13-Feb-18 08:16 AM, Bill Ricker wrote:

Nearly all the residential roads in my part of the world should default to 
lanes=2.

What drives me crazy is in my neighborhood, the residential roads are
physically wide enough for 3 lanes, but with parking lanes on both
sides, and some are still signed for two-way traffic. Winds up being
like a one-lane two-way bridge ... Ooops.
And that's before snow narrows things ...


Snow? What is that? :)

I too live in a narrow street.
People park illegally on the road verge blocking pedestrians so they have to 
walk on the road .. making things worse.
People take extreme care on bin day to get their bins emptied.

The only world wide default I know of is:
All people are stupid ... from time to time.  :))




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Re: [Tagging] Default values for residential roads and living streets

2018-02-12 Thread Matej Lieskovský
Mentioning defaults on the wiki is not machine-readable. We've been
talking about this for a while now - can someone please set up a
separate channel for a discussion about the mechanism for setting
defaults?

Matej Lieskovský

On 12 February 2018 at 22:28, Selfish Seahorse
 wrote:
>> I don't see how it would be possible to set a default global value.
>
> I thought that just mentioning them in the wiki would be enough (like
> the default access restrictions). But as residential roads with more
> than one lane seem to be common elsewhere, there is no need for such a
> global default value.
>
>
> On 12 February 2018 at 22:16, marc marc  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Le 12. 02. 18 à 22:02, Selfish Seahorse a écrit :
>>> There were quite a few additions of cycleway:both=no and lanes=1 tags
>>> to residential roads and living streets recently, which makes me
>>> wonder if it might make sense to define cycleway:both=no and lanes=1
>>> as default values for highway=residential and highway=living_street on
>>> the wiki. What do you think about that?
>>
>> I don't see how it would be possible to set a default global value.
>> and even for a country-scale default value, here lanes=1 and lanes=2
>> are just as common.
>> If you think that a default value makes sense for a country, discuss it
>> with the country mailing. but as long as there is no mechanism to set
>> default values in osm, the info on the wiki page will still be useless
>> for applications that use the data. your wish therefore requires you to
>> work on the proposed feature "default values".
>>
>> For cycleway:both=no, setting this to the default value does not change
>> anything, what is missing is a way to make the difference between "this
>> route has the default values after verification" of "this route has not
>> been checked, let's suppose it is the default values as long as nobody
>> has filled accurate value".
>> If not, you should also remove surface=asphalt because it's the default
>> for a residential highway in a lot of country. also remove maxspeed, ...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Marc
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Re: [Tagging] Default values for residential roads and living streets

2018-02-12 Thread Selfish Seahorse
> I don't see how it would be possible to set a default global value.

I thought that just mentioning them in the wiki would be enough (like
the default access restrictions). But as residential roads with more
than one lane seem to be common elsewhere, there is no need for such a
global default value.


On 12 February 2018 at 22:16, marc marc  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Le 12. 02. 18 à 22:02, Selfish Seahorse a écrit :
>> There were quite a few additions of cycleway:both=no and lanes=1 tags
>> to residential roads and living streets recently, which makes me
>> wonder if it might make sense to define cycleway:both=no and lanes=1
>> as default values for highway=residential and highway=living_street on
>> the wiki. What do you think about that?
>
> I don't see how it would be possible to set a default global value.
> and even for a country-scale default value, here lanes=1 and lanes=2
> are just as common.
> If you think that a default value makes sense for a country, discuss it
> with the country mailing. but as long as there is no mechanism to set
> default values in osm, the info on the wiki page will still be useless
> for applications that use the data. your wish therefore requires you to
> work on the proposed feature "default values".
>
> For cycleway:both=no, setting this to the default value does not change
> anything, what is missing is a way to make the difference between "this
> route has the default values after verification" of "this route has not
> been checked, let's suppose it is the default values as long as nobody
> has filled accurate value".
> If not, you should also remove surface=asphalt because it's the default
> for a residential highway in a lot of country. also remove maxspeed, ...
>
> Regards,
> Marc
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Re: [Tagging] Default values for residential roads and living streets

2018-02-12 Thread Selfish Seahorse
> Nearly all the residential roads in my part of the world should default to 
> lanes=2.

OK, I didn't know that (this is why I asked). Thanks for your reply!


On 12 February 2018 at 22:09, Tod Fitch  wrote:
>
>> On Feb 12, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Selfish Seahorse  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> There were quite a few additions of cycleway:both=no and lanes=1 tags
>> to residential roads and living streets recently, which makes me
>> wonder if it might make sense to define cycleway:both=no and lanes=1
>> as default values for highway=residential and highway=living_street on
>> the wiki. What do you think about that?
>>
>
> Nearly all the residential roads in my part of the world should default to 
> lanes=2.
>
> Apparently that is different from where you are which implies that a world 
> wide default written into the wiki would be inappropriate.
>
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Default values for residential roads and living streets

2018-02-12 Thread Bill Ricker
> Nearly all the residential roads in my part of the world should default to 
> lanes=2.

What drives me crazy is in my neighborhood, the residential roads are
physically wide enough for 3 lanes, but with parking lanes on both
sides, and some are still signed for two-way traffic. Winds up being
like a one-lane two-way bridge ... Ooops.
And that's before snow narrows things ...


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Re: [Tagging] Default values for residential roads and living streets

2018-02-12 Thread marc marc
Hello,

Le 12. 02. 18 à 22:02, Selfish Seahorse a écrit :
> There were quite a few additions of cycleway:both=no and lanes=1 tags
> to residential roads and living streets recently, which makes me
> wonder if it might make sense to define cycleway:both=no and lanes=1
> as default values for highway=residential and highway=living_street on
> the wiki. What do you think about that?

I don't see how it would be possible to set a default global value.
and even for a country-scale default value, here lanes=1 and lanes=2
are just as common.
If you think that a default value makes sense for a country, discuss it 
with the country mailing. but as long as there is no mechanism to set 
default values in osm, the info on the wiki page will still be useless 
for applications that use the data. your wish therefore requires you to 
work on the proposed feature "default values".

For cycleway:both=no, setting this to the default value does not change 
anything, what is missing is a way to make the difference between "this 
route has the default values after verification" of "this route has not 
been checked, let's suppose it is the default values as long as nobody 
has filled accurate value".
If not, you should also remove surface=asphalt because it's the default 
for a residential highway in a lot of country. also remove maxspeed, ...

Regards,
Marc
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Re: [Tagging] Default values for residential roads and living streets

2018-02-12 Thread Tod Fitch

> On Feb 12, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Selfish Seahorse  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> There were quite a few additions of cycleway:both=no and lanes=1 tags
> to residential roads and living streets recently, which makes me
> wonder if it might make sense to define cycleway:both=no and lanes=1
> as default values for highway=residential and highway=living_street on
> the wiki. What do you think about that?
> 

Nearly all the residential roads in my part of the world should default to 
lanes=2.

Apparently that is different from where you are which implies that a world wide 
default written into the wiki would be inappropriate.



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