Re: [Tagging] Documentation issues of PT tagging schemes

2018-08-04 Thread Jo
Hi Roland, I made a fresh attempt to explain things as simple as it gets: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Polyglot/Public_transport_proposal_for_simplification I might expand this to how I see we could extend this tram and metro mapping. For trains I would add such nodes for each sub

Re: [Tagging] Documentation issues of PT tagging schemes

2018-07-25 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, What I would like to see is how to map a Public Transport Route in version 3 .. that has the bear minimum of things to have and the rules that make the route valid. This is where the problem sits; the point of view of what a route is vary wildly. Few people are even willing to pinpoint

Re: [Tagging] Documentation issues of PT tagging schemes

2018-07-25 Thread Dave F
On 25/07/2018 05:58, Roland Olbricht wrote: Hi, This would not be the bells and whistles method, but the bread and water method. The basics that would have the routing working and the map displaying things. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop I see fundamental

Re: [Tagging] Documentation issues of PT tagging schemes

2018-07-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, This would not be the bells and whistles method, but the bread and water method. The basics that would have the routing working and the map displaying things. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dplatform

Re: [Tagging] Documentation issues of PT tagging schemes

2018-07-24 Thread Warin
Hi, As part of the proposal .. I think  a document on how to map PTv3 in the simplest most basic way needs to be done. This would not be the bells and whistles method, but the bread and water method. The basics that would have the routing working and the map displaying things. It needs to

Re: [Tagging] Documentation issues of PT tagging schemes (was: Re: Public Transport v3 — starting RFC)

2018-07-24 Thread Leo Gaspard
Hi Ilya, I unfortunately won't be anywhere near Milan anytime soon, but thanks for the invitation :) The problem I can see with your proposal is that it appears to be based on PTv1, not on PTv2, which looks much more logical to me (even though I still don't understand it completely). I mean,

Re: [Tagging] Documentation issues of PT tagging schemes

2018-07-24 Thread Leo Gaspard
On 07/24/2018 11:17 PM, Jo wrote: > The whole point of wanting to move to a simpler tagging scheme is to become > able to write simple to understand documentation. From what I understood (so, second-hand information) PTv2 can be used with as few objects and tags as PTv1, so it's not inherently

Re: [Tagging] Documentation issues of PT tagging schemes (was: Re: Public Transport v3 — starting RFC)

2018-07-24 Thread Ilya Zverev
Hi Leo, As a person who tried for many years not to touch any public transport in OSM because of hard to understand tagging, I share your pain about missing tutorials and instructions. The situation with these is a bit better in the Russian part of wiki, because we don't have hordes of mappers

Re: [Tagging] Documentation issues of PT tagging schemes (was: Re: Public Transport v3 — starting RFC)

2018-07-24 Thread Jo
The whole point of wanting to move to a simpler tagging scheme is to become able to write simple to understand documentation. Dropping the "v1" tags that some like to call 'deprecated' is not possible, because then your stops don't render. Replacing highway=bus_stop by public_transport=platform