Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 13:06, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Would that be acceptable? words are better IMHO, easier to remember and faster to type... Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular
On 22/8/20 12:56 am, Supaplex wrote: I see that I have probably chosen an unfavorable solution to solve the problem described. Many seem to accept the basic problem: There is only one qualitative category for all kerbs with a height of over ~3 cm, although in reality there is a significant difference. I see two alternatives to the proposed solution: a) (as suggested in the vote section) Deprecate the category "raised" and introduce two /new/ values to differentiate it (eg "heightened" vs. "regular" or "medium" if there is sematic criticism of "regular") b) Keep the existing categories, accept that the term "raised" has so far included both normal and raised kerbs and merely introduce an explicit tag to distinguish /actually/ raised kerbs (e.g. "heightened"). What do you think? Any other or further suggestions? Rather than use words that are relative to personal perceptions .. why not use numbers to say what you mean? curb:height=under_3_cm curb:height=over_3_cm curb:height=3_cm_to_10_cm curb:height=8_cm_to_15_cm Would that be acceptable? It avoids the words and is readily understood. It could lead to people inserting new values... but that is always the case, at least with the numbers the new values would be understood. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular
I see that I have probably chosen an unfavorable solution to solve the problem described. Many seem to accept the basic problem: There is only one qualitative category for all kerbs with a height of over ~3 cm, although in reality there is a significant difference. I see two alternatives to the proposed solution: a) (as suggested in the vote section) Deprecate the category "raised" and introduce two /new/ values to differentiate it (eg "heightened" vs. "regular" or "medium" if there is sematic criticism of "regular") b) Keep the existing categories, accept that the term "raised" has so far included both normal and raised kerbs and merely introduce an explicit tag to distinguish /actually/ raised kerbs (e.g. "heightened"). What do you think? Any other or further suggestions? Alex P.S. The advice to specify the height precisely in cm instead does not lead any further - as discussed in several places -, since precise height information cannot be collected on a large scale and remains optional. It is not without reason that there are qualitative curb categories - just one too few. A typical intersection has about 8 curbs, which I can assess qualitatively with my eyes within some seconds while passing, but I need a few minutes to measure them all with a ruler... Am 21.08.20 um 01:19 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > sent from a phone > >> On 21. Aug 2020, at 01:05, Clifford Snow wrote: >> >> Martin - does that suggest that over 12,000 existing raised kerbs will need >> to be resurveyed? > > that’s how I read it, and there are actually 28.4K raised kerbs affected > (because you have to look at the ways as well). > > Cheers Martin > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular
Nederland: stoeprand (/stooprund/); officially: trottoirband (/trotwharbund/) I wonder what it is in Burundi and Iceland. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 21 aug. 2020 om 09:39 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 21. Aug 2020, at 03:34, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > in the united states it is Curb. > > > in Germany it is Bordstein > > Cheers Martin > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular
sent from a phone > On 21. Aug 2020, at 03:34, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging > wrote: > > in the united states it is Curb. in Germany it is Bordstein Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular
>in the united states it is Curb. > > >>Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:20 PM -05:00 from Martin Koppenhoefer < >>dieterdre...@gmail.com >: >> >> >> >>sent from a phone >> >>> On 21. Aug 2020, at 01:05, Clifford Snow < cliff...@snowandsnow.us > wrote: >>> >>> Martin - does that suggest that over 12,000 existing raised kerbs will need >>> to be resurveyed? >> >>that’s how I read it, and there are actually 28.4K raised kerbs affected >>(because you have to look at the ways as well). >> >>Cheers Martin >> >> >>___ >>Tagging mailing list >>Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular
sent from a phone > On 21. Aug 2020, at 01:05, Clifford Snow wrote: > > Martin - does that suggest that over 12,000 existing raised kerbs will need > to be resurveyed? that’s how I read it, and there are actually 28.4K raised kerbs affected (because you have to look at the ways as well). Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 2:33 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Worth mentioning that the proposal intends to redefine the tag kerb=raised > , true? > Martin - does that suggest that over 12,000 existing raised kerbs will need to be resurveyed? I've done hundreds of raised curbs in my county. While many would fit in the regular proposed definition, without visiting each and every one I can't just blindly change them. This proposal doesn't even address how to treat the existing raised kerbs. Supaplex - I urge you to come up with a complete recommendation on how you plan to deal with revising the definition of kerb=raised. Until then I will vote a strong NO. Best, Clifford -- @osm_washington www.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular
Worth mentioning that the proposal intends to redefine the tag kerb=raised , true? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
