Re: [Tagging] Fixed caravan site
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:22:00AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: or tag it with place=hamlet, village or neighbourhood (not sure about the size of these trailer parks and if they're isolated or part of a settlement)? Thanks for all the replies. In the UK context, none of these seem entirely satisfactory. landuse=residential is certainly true, but these caravan parks are rather distinctive, not common, and IMHO need a distinctive tag. The hamlet tag would only be appropriate in the few cases when they are away from towns. ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fixed caravan site
On 18/11/12 17:24, ael wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:22:00AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: or tag it with place=hamlet, village or neighbourhood (not sure about the size of these trailer parks and if they're isolated or part of a settlement)? Thanks for all the replies. In the UK context, none of these seem entirely satisfactory. landuse=residential is certainly true, but these caravan parks are rather distinctive, not common, and IMHO need a distinctive tag. The hamlet tag would only be appropriate in the few cases when they are away from towns. I would just use tourism=caravan_site. You could add tags such a touring=no (not documented) and/or static=yes (not documented). The caravan_site tag is widely used and currently renders. Many UK static caravan sites are not strictly residential, they have a planning clause prohibiting year-round occupation, so they are really recreational. I don't think hamlet is appropriate for a caravan site at all. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fixed caravan site
Many UK static caravan sites are not strictly residential, they have a planning clause prohibiting year-round occupation, so they are really recreational. I don't think hamlet is appropriate for a caravan site at all. In the US, we have such recreational sites, variously called campgrounds or RV parks, some of which have vehicles left over the off season. That's not the topic of discussion. We also have permanent settlements of wheels-removed mobile homes categorized as single- and double-wides, that are more or less self-transportable prefabricated housing. Some of them appear as hamlets but are commonly organized more as low-cost gated communities. Some zoning (planning) boards discourage the use of such outside of prepared developments exclusively such. Bill @n1vux bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fixed caravan site
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: or tag it with place=hamlet, village or neighbourhood (not sure about the size of these trailer parks and if they're isolated or part of a settlement)? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging In the USA, some trailer parks or mobile home parks are stand-alone, while others are surrounded by conventional buildings. Both of these terms refer to areas containing relatively large structures that have to be towed by large trucks, and often never move again once they are in place. Areas for smaller camping trailers of a size to be towed by an automobile or pickup truck, or for self-propelled recreational vehicles are generally termed campgrounds or RV parks, and the expectation is that someone will stay only short-term before moving on, trailer and all. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fixed caravan site
Furthermore, in the US, the word 'caravan' is not used for house-trailers. Finding a tagging that works both countries may be suboptimal for both. Divided by a common language, etc. -- Bill @n1vux bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fixed caravan site
On 18 November 2012 17:24, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: Thanks for all the replies. In the UK context, none of these seem entirely satisfactory. landuse=residential is certainly true, but these caravan parks are rather distinctive, not common, and IMHO need a distinctive tag. The hamlet tag would only be appropriate in the few cases when they are away from towns. ael I agree that the tagging is lacking in this area. During the summer I was had a look at a several tagged camp caravan sites in south west England using aerial imagery. The tags used does not describe what's on the ground. I did this after being dissatisfied that major holiday camps in the UK consisting of a mix of tents, caravans, and chalets didn't appear to have an appropriate tag despite being major features often covering huge areas. Didn't know what the solution was and didnt follow it up. In the UK the caravans and mobile homes are legally the same thing. The term 'mobile home' is used for the legal definition of both, and the definition is very generous. The following [linkhttp://www.selfbuildtimberframe.com/mobile-homes] shows the caravans/mobile homes I'd assume most people would consider to be a normal small house or bungalow. Many owners of sites meant for temporary use of normal caravans have realised there is more money to be made from having permanent residents in these mobile homes. Normally the historic permission for caravan use limits people staying in them for only 9/10 months of the year. Despite this large numbers of people are willing to buy them as homes, and go off on holiday for the 3 months when they must vacate the premises (the caravans/mobile homes dont move while they're gone). Despite being clearly used as permanent residences they're described as Caravan Parks. Some sites do have permission for the caravans/mobile homes to be used throughput the year and in these cases the sites have become know as 'Residential Parks' (the UK equivalent of the US trailer park?) I think the American expression If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. is relevant here. They are residential areas, rather than leisure areas, and I think therefore they should use the residential tag. Where a building(s) can be moved, but there is no intent to move them, and they have a permanent resident, I'd use 'duck test' and suggest residential=chalet_park, or something similar. l think tourism=caravan_site should be for sites primarily used for caravans that can stay for short periods. Jason ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fixed caravan site
On Nov 17, 2012 2:57 PM, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: I am a little suprised that josm does not seem to have a preset for a fixed caravan /mobile home park. Am I missing something? All I found on the wiki was the proposal amenity=trailer_park which I have used for now. That has a rather transatlantic flavour to UK ears, and only allows for rental which is oddly restrictive. Mapnik doesn't seem to render the above. I used it on a boundary and would feel more comfortable with a landuse=? in that context. ael I think landuse=residential would be appropriate. If there are spaces available for rent, then amenity=trailer_park would probably also fit, but I'd say that or any other amenity tag would be inappropriate if the place is for long-term residents only. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fixed caravan site
2012/11/17 David ``Smith'' vidthe...@gmail.com: I think landuse=residential would be appropriate. If there are spaces available for rent, then amenity=trailer_park would probably also fit, but I'd say that or any other amenity tag would be inappropriate if the place is for long-term residents only. +1 to landuse=residential, maybe also place=trailer_park instead amenity? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fixed caravan site
or tag it with place=hamlet, village or neighbourhood (not sure about the size of these trailer parks and if they're isolated or part of a settlement)? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
