Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison

[Kevin Kenny]

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

> in the case of a prison farm I would think it is part of the prison. This
> is not about ownership.


By the way,
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-prison-horses-idUSKBN0ET1RA20140618
is one of the prisons in question. The issue arose because I've been going
through county
tax records, looking for parcels that are owned by the state government.
Most of those parcels
contain landmarks that should be mapped - parks, state trooper barracks,
state office buildings,
schools, hospitals, prisons, you name it. Many are not mapped. I'm
gradually fixing that.
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison

[Dave Swarthout]

>To me, prisons are not so different than schools or hospitals, in that
>there is a land area for the facility and then buildings within.   So
>your approach sounds right.

+1

Cheers,
Dave

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Kevin Kenny 
wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <
> dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > When it comes to farmland, I would not consider it part of the amenity.
>> It might
>> > be operated by the facility, fine. But as we do not tag ownership, the
>> fact that
>> > is owned by the institution would not make it part of the amenity.
>>
>>
>> in the case of a prison farm I would think it is part of the prison. This
>> is not about ownership.
>>
>
> Ditto the clear space outside the walls that's kept from development in
> order to ensure that the guard towers have a clear line of fire.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison

[Kevin Kenny]

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

> > When it comes to farmland, I would not consider it part of the amenity.
> It might
> > be operated by the facility, fine. But as we do not tag ownership, the
> fact that
> > is owned by the institution would not make it part of the amenity.
>
>
> in the case of a prison farm I would think it is part of the prison. This
> is not about ownership.
>

Ditto the clear space outside the walls that's kept from development in
order to ensure that the guard towers have a clear line of fire.
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison

[Greg Troxel]

Kevin Kenny  writes:

> If I have the cadastral information for the lands (which are usually posted
> to forbid entry, so visible "in the field"), what's a recommended way to
> tag? What I'm thinking is to put amenity=prison on the whole area and then
> barrier=wall or barrier=fence on the enclosure.

To me, prisons are not so different than schools or hospitals, in that
there is a land area for the facility and then buildings within.   So
your approach sounds right.


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Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 09 ago 2016, alle ore 23:29, Tom Pfeifer  
> ha scritto:
> 
> When it is a bit of green space around, visitor/staff parking etc, I'd agree.
> 
> When it comes to farmland, I would not consider it part of the amenity. It 
> might
> be operated by the facility, fine. But as we do not tag ownership, the fact 
> that
> is owned by the institution would not make it part of the amenity.


in the case of a prison farm I would think it is part of the prison. This is 
not about ownership.

cheers,
Martin 
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 09 ago 2016, alle ore 23:38, Tod Fitch  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> I am stunned to find that prisons are categorized as amenities so the rest of 
> this thread about tagging details of such seems straight out of a Monte 
> Python skit.


yes, it's a running gag...


cheers,
Martin 
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison

[Tod Fitch]

> On Aug 9, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Tom Pfeifer  wrote:
> 
> Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2016/08/09 22:20:
>>> Il giorno 09 ago 2016, alle ore 18:54, Kevin Kenny 
>>>  ha scritto:
>>> 
>>> What I'm thinking is to put amenity=prison on the whole area and then 
>>> barrier=wall or barrier=fence on the enclosure.
>> 
>> sounds reasonable to me
> 
> When it is a bit of green space around, visitor/staff parking etc, I'd agree.
> 
> When it comes to farmland, I would not consider it part of the amenity. It 
> might
> be operated by the facility, fine. But as we do not tag ownership, the fact 
> that
> is owned by the institution would not make it part of the amenity.
> 

I am stunned to find that prisons are categorized as amenities so the rest of 
this thread about tagging details of such seems straight out of a Monte Python 
skit.

What dictionary definition of amenity was used to argue that a prison should be 
tagged that way? I sure don’t see it in my American English dictionaries nor in 
my older copy of the Oxford English Dictionary.




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Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison

[Tom Pfeifer]

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2016/08/09 22:20:

Il giorno 09 ago 2016, alle ore 18:54, Kevin Kenny 
 ha scritto:

What I'm thinking is to put amenity=prison on the whole area and then 
barrier=wall or barrier=fence on the enclosure.


sounds reasonable to me


When it is a bit of green space around, visitor/staff parking etc, I'd agree.

When it comes to farmland, I would not consider it part of the amenity. It might
be operated by the facility, fine. But as we do not tag ownership, the fact that
is owned by the institution would not make it part of the amenity.

tom

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 09 ago 2016, alle ore 18:54, Kevin Kenny 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> What I'm thinking is to put amenity=prison on the whole area and then 
> barrier=wall or barrier=fence on the enclosure.


sounds reasonable to me 


cheers,
Martin 
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