Re: [Tagging] Marking legal BBQ locations

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Thanks everyone, particularly John for a very detailed explanation!

A set-up like that is a new one to me - here we usually have either
electric or gas BBQs in urban parks, or you BYO; & then have prepared
concrete / brick wood-burning BBQs in National Parks & similar, where you
usually have to BYO wood!

As I say, an established spot that you put your own wood-burner in is a
version I haven't seen before, & I can see that =firepit wouldn't really
work.

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Marking legal BBQ locations

[Mateusz Konieczny]

16 Jun 2019, 03:33 by graemefi...@gmail.com:

>
>
> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 21:13, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com 
> > > wrote:
>
>> How to mark locations where grilling is legal,
>> but one needs bring own grill?
>>
>
> leisure=firepit perhaps?
>
This is a specific physical object, not a good fit for describing legal 
status/use of an area.

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Re: [Tagging] Marking legal BBQ locations

[John Willis via Tagging]

> On Jun 16, 2019, at 10:33 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
> leisure=firepit perhaps?

A fire pit is a physical object, often at beaches, where open fire is allowed 
inside a very large 1x1 or 2x2 m concrete box. They are usually not used for 
cooking, but rather sitting around at night for warmth and light. 
You could use them for cooking, I guess, but that is not a firepit's purpose. 

Now let's say you are at a suburban park. Grass, playgrounds, etc. There are 
some parks with permanent grill boxes on poles. 
You can't use your own grill, only these few public grills. You might even have 
to reserve one online or buy a permit to use it, but the physical grills exist. 

https://www.smgov.net/uploadedImages/Departments/CCS/Permits_Rentals/Reserve/clover_park(1).jpg

But what about a park with a designated BBQ area, but no provided BBQs? 

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FAT4K4/thorndon-country-park-sign-bbq-place-essex-uk-FAT4K4.jpg


It *does* has picnic shelters and benches and a solid concrete "trashcan" for 
disposing of hot charcoal Ash(a separate park amenity). A sign says "cooking 
fires in grills only". This is a "bring your own BBQ" situation, where you 
bring your hibachi and cook and (rather than dumping the coals in the bushes or 
the grass and starting a forest fire) you dump your coals/ash in the special 
can when you are finished. This way, you can rinse your BBQ and put it back in 
your car without melting your car interior. 

So this park is "BYOBBQ" - you have permission to have a controlled charcoal 
fire ONLY in a grill that you bring. No ground fires allowed. No firepits 
exist. No grills are provided - but you can bring your own and you can use it. 
Some parks do not allow this. This park does. How do we tag that *permission*?

The question of "how do you tag that you are permitted to use a grill?" Is not 
answered with man_made=firepit.

These kind of grill rules do not exist in Japan (for most suburban 
Srecreational areas), however fire prone areas (like California) have very 
strict rules about using open flame almost anywhere. Parks have a myriad of 
rules. The city provided grills suck, and are often unclean or damaged, so the 
city provided a coal can and gives you permission to operate your own,  so a 
park ranger/policeman doesn't write you a ticket. 

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Re: [Tagging] Marking legal BBQ locations

[Joseph Eisenberg]

I think "bring_own_bbq=yes" is sensible; "bbq=designated" is a little
confusing, but probably also correct.

The tag leisure=firepit is for a structure or spot designated for open
fires, such as a fire ring made of stones or bricks, or a metal fire
pit.

I checked the page for amenity=bbq and noticed that back in 2016 there
was a line added that suggests this tag could be used for places used
for BBQ, but this contradicts the main definition about it being an
apparatus or structure used for grilling.

Apparently the German page for amenity=bbq, since it was first made in
2012, has used a very different definition, which translates as:

"A barbecue area is an open air barbecue area, often in conjunction
with a barbecue hut. In cities, these are mostly in green areas.
Outside villages, there are barbecue areas on tourist routes (eg cycle
paths)."

"One distinguishes between free barbecue areas, where you have to take
care of the grill yourself and fixed barbecue areas with existing
grill and, as a rule, seating."

So this implies that in Germany the tag may have been used as a
synonym for tourism=picnic_site plus bring_own_bbq, in addition to the
usual definition.

I've added a question to the German talk page, since it's not good to
have very different definitions for the same tag in different
languages.

On 6/16/19, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 21:13, Mateusz Konieczny 
> wrote:
>
>> How to mark locations where grilling is legal,
>> but one needs bring own grill?
>>
>
> leisure=firepit perhaps?
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dfirepit
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>

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Re: [Tagging] Marking legal BBQ locations

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 21:13, Mateusz Konieczny 
wrote:

> How to mark locations where grilling is legal,
> but one needs bring own grill?
>

leisure=firepit perhaps?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dfirepit

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Marking legal BBQ locations

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Note that =designated is used but only
in cases where objects were built for
this usage. For example there are some
objects officially marked as combined footway/cycleway
that were not built or even suitable as a cycleway.

Correct tagging for that case is stillbicycle=designated foot=designated
15 Jun 2019, 14:10 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com:

> Le 15.06.19 à 13:09, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit :
>
>> How to mark locations where grilling is legal,
>> but one needs bring own grill?
>>
>
> bbq=limited
>
>> bbq=designated
>>
>
> as designated is often "yes and build for this usage",
> I find it unsuitable___
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Re: [Tagging] Marking legal BBQ locations

[marc marc]

Le 15.06.19 à 13:09, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit :
> How to mark locations where grilling is legal,
> but one needs bring own grill?

bbq=limited

> bbq=designated

as designated is often "yes and build for this usage",
I find it unsuitable
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