Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-21 Thread joost schouppe
It wouldn't be hard to prove if this conversation is in the public domain. In the original question, the data use looks much more direct than using it as a source for directed surveying. And it does look like even this is expressly forbidden by the user terms of the mentioned website.

Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 21 set 2016, alle ore 12:46, joost schouppe > ha scritto: > > Which I think is correct, as Martin's answer also explains. well, although the collection of facts can be protected against copying, looking up those facts in a protected source and compare them wit

Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-21 Thread joost schouppe
Dave, well, as I implied, no, I'm not sure. Janko started a thread in legal-talk where you can expect more knowledgeable answers. Simon Poole answered, basically, "it depends". Which I think is correct, as Martin's answer also explains. Andre Angels, your comment was really uncalled for. 2016-09

Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-21 Thread Dave F
On 21/09/2016 07:51, joost schouppe wrote: Using copyrighted material to spot errors in OSM is still copyright violation (well, a specialist in copyright should confirm that). Hmm... Are you sure? I (& I'm sure others as well) use UK OS maps to spot features missing from OSM & then use thos

Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-09-21 11:30 GMT+02:00 Andre Engels : > That's great nonsense. YOU CANNOT COPYRIGHT FACTS ONLY THE > PRESENTATION OF THOSE FACTS > in Europe, databases (and a map can be considered database) are protected if it took significant work to produce them, even if they are just compilations of fact

Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-21 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:51 AM, joost schouppe wrote: > Using copyrighted material to spot errors in OSM is still copyright > violation (well, a specialist in copyright should confirm that). That's great nonsense. YOU CANNOT COPYRIGHT FACTS ONLY THE PRESENTATION OF THOSE FACTS -- André Engels

Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-21 Thread Marc Gemis
sorry, ik ben nog een van die ouw zakken die een link niet herkent als er geen lijntje onderstaat :-) On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:51 AM, joost schouppe wrote: > André, > > This isn't about you - this is about project integrity. One lawsuit for > copyright infringement could be enough to kill the pr

Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-20 Thread joost schouppe
André, This isn't about you - this is about project integrity. One lawsuit for copyright infringement could be enough to kill the project. Or we could get our data users into serious problems. Whether or not you are an excellent mapper is not the question. It is just not something we can take chan

Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-20 Thread André Pirard
On 2016-09-17 20:46, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > André Pirard wrote: >> Last point is what source:???=Michelin ??? to use to prevent a >> StijnRR or like arbitrarily destructing well thought out tagging >> without notifying the author. I suggest >> source:highway=https://viamichelin.be/web/Cartes-