Re: [Tagging] What is a saltbox?
Feb 12, 2020, 20:39 by o...@lepiller.eu: > Le 12 février 2020 14:26:26 GMT-05:00, Michael Brandtner via Tagging > a écrit : > >Hi, > >we have a big inconsistency between different wiki pages and editors > >how we define the roof shape "saltbox". > >1) A saltbox is a roof with a tilted part at left and right side and a > >flat part on top. This definition can be found at: > >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_3D_buildings > >It is used for example in the presets of the Vespucci editor. > >> >> > >2) A saltbox is a roof with only one tilted part (usually directed at > >the road) and one flat part on top. On the other side it goes straight > >down. The roof shape described at 1) is a double_saltbox. > >This definition can be found > >at:https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:OSM-4D/Roof_table > >> >> > >This definition is for example used by the StreetComplete editor. > >> >> > >This is a serious issue, because it means that for none of the over > >3,000 buildings with the tag roof:shape=saltbox we can know which shape > >it actually has. > >> >> > >Cheers,Michael > > Also for some reason, this tag is different from what wikipedia describes a > saltbox to be: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltbox_house > I edited https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Roof:shape to note the problem what is visible on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:roof:shape and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_3D_buildings If someone cares about roof:shape values the best solution would be to propose new values for involved shaped and deprecate saltbox value. (I am certainly not going to do this, may TODO list is far too long to do this even if I would live until AD 2650). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What is a saltbox?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 5:21 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > the shape of OpenStreetMap-4D fits with the wikipedia article, although the > article suggests this is a specific New England building type, which makes > the term less suitable for a global roof type tag. Few others build in that shape, and I don't know another word for it. The fact that something is distinctive to a particular region doesn't mean that it doesn't deserve a tag. Gambrel roofs are another example - they're common anywhere the Dutch went, and in relatively few other places. (A mansard roof is a similar form, but is hipped with two slopes on each of four sides, rather than having two double-slopes and two gable ends.) The US term for the latter style of house is "Dutch Colonial," but "gambrel" is also an Americanism. The British term, "kerb roof", however, appears to have fallen out of favour sometime in the mid-19th Century. I suspect that more Britons would recognize the Americanism than the British term. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What is a saltbox?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:41 PM Julien Lepiller wrote: > Also for some reason, this tag is different from what wikipedia describes a > saltbox to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltbox_house The Wikipedia article describes the form that I always understood to be a 'saltbox house' - two storeys in the front, one in the back, like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9tv/67727422. There are two outbuildings - a privy and a barn - behind the house in that old photo, not part of the house itself. That's New England vernacular architecture, but I don't think that the term means something different in UK English. I checked _Encyclopaedia Brittanica_, and its description is also of the New England vernacular design, as does lexico.com (which supposedly serves up one of the Oxford dictionaries). (Side note: My uncle rehabbed that two-hundred-year-old building, and my brother is still living in it.) -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What is a saltbox?
sent from a phone > Il giorno 12 feb 2020, alle ore 20:41, Julien Lepiller ha > scritto: > > Also for some reason, this tag is different from what wikipedia describes a > saltbox to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltbox_house the shape of OpenStreetMap-4D fits with the wikipedia article, although the article suggests this is a specific New England building type, which makes the term less suitable for a global roof type tag. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What is a saltbox?
Le 12 février 2020 14:26:26 GMT-05:00, Michael Brandtner via Tagging a écrit : >Hi, >we have a big inconsistency between different wiki pages and editors >how we define the roof shape "saltbox". >1) A saltbox is a roof with a tilted part at left and right side and a >flat part on top. This definition can be found at: >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_3D_buildings >It is used for example in the presets of the Vespucci editor. > >2) A saltbox is a roof with only one tilted part (usually directed at >the road) and one flat part on top. On the other side it goes straight >down. The roof shape described at 1) is a double_saltbox. >This definition can be found >at:https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:OSM-4D/Roof_table > >This definition is for example used by the StreetComplete editor. > >This is a serious issue, because it means that for none of the over >3,000 buildings with the tag roof:shape=saltbox we can know which shape >it actually has. > >Cheers,Michael Also for some reason, this tag is different from what wikipedia describes a saltbox to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltbox_house ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
