Re: [Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

2017-12-13 Thread Fernando Trebien 
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
 wrote:
> Are we talking about a surveillance camera in the room covering the atm, oder 
> about a camera in the atm recording the customers of the atm? Often there are 
> both.

An ATM with a built-in camera to record the customers.

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

2017-12-13 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira 
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
 wrote:
> man_made=surveillance  and atm=yes

But then it looks like a surveillance equipment with an ATM :-)

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

2017-12-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 


sent from a phone

> On 7. Dec 2017, at 01:07, Nelson A. de Oliveira  wrote:
> 
> man_made=surveillance IS a surveillance equipment. It doesn't mean
> that it HAS a surveillance equipment


man_made=surveillance  and atm=yes

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Martin 

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

2017-12-07 Thread Fernando Trebien 
How about using surveillance + surveillance:type instead? [1]

Though it seems to be intended for wider spaces, like the whole bank or a
whole station, plaza or parking lot.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surveillance

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 6:22 PM, nwastra  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 7 Dec 2017, at 10:07 am, Nelson A. de Oliveira 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> But I didn't find any discussion on this here. Do you agree that it is
>> >> adequate to combine amenity=atm with man_made=surveillance on the same
>> >> element?
>>
>> I also think that man_made=surveillance is not a suitable tag for reasons
>> already stated.
>> amenity=atm + camera=yes would seem to me to be sufficient and more
>> suitable.
>
>
> I honestly can't think of an ATM that's been made since the mid-to-late
> 1980s that *doesn't* have a camera in it, so maybe camera=yes is to be
> assumed, and camera=no to be added if there's not one?
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

2017-12-07 Thread Paul Johnson 
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 6:22 PM, nwastra  wrote:

>
> On 7 Dec 2017, at 10:07 am, Nelson A. de Oliveira 
> wrote:
>
> >> But I didn't find any discussion on this here. Do you agree that it is
> >> adequate to combine amenity=atm with man_made=surveillance on the same
> >> element?
>
> I also think that man_made=surveillance is not a suitable tag for reasons
> already stated.
> amenity=atm + camera=yes would seem to me to be sufficient and more
> suitable.


I honestly can't think of an ATM that's been made since the mid-to-late
1980s that *doesn't* have a camera in it, so maybe camera=yes is to be
assumed, and camera=no to be added if there's not one?
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

2017-12-06 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira 
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Fernando Trebien
 wrote:
> But I didn't find any discussion on this here. Do you agree that it is
> adequate to combine amenity=atm with man_made=surveillance on the same
> element?

No...
It could use another tag or namespace for this, but not man_made=surveillance

man_made=surveillance IS a surveillance equipment. It doesn't mean
that it HAS a surveillance equipment.

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

2017-12-06 Thread Steve Doerr 

On 06/12/2017 17:29, Fernando Trebien wrote:
Do you agree that it is adequate to combine amenity=atm with 
man_made=surveillance on the same element?


Yes, if the ATM incorporates a surveillance camera.

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