Re: [Tagging] dinosaurs

2022-10-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 17. Okt. 2022 um 10:09 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
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> Oct 16, 2022, 17:30 by annekadis...@web.de:Is there a way to
>
> implement a warning into the editors not to combine
> "archaeological_site" with dinosaurs? I will replace the few I found
> with geological=palaeontological_site
> (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:geological%3Dpalaeontological_site
> ).
>
> which tag combinations are problematic?
>
> how many of them?
>
>

we cannot tell until everyone is checked ;-)
This is about a tag being applied to a feature where it doesn't apply, and
maybe some have additional tags, but many will probably just be wrong (if
this should be a common error, around here I never encountered it)
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Re: [Tagging] dinosaurs

2022-10-17 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 16, 2022, 17:30 by annekadis...@web.de:Is there a way to

> implement a warning into the editors not to combine
> "archaeological_site" with dinosaurs? I will replace the few I found
> with geological=palaeontological_site
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:geological%3Dpalaeontological_site).
>
which tag combinations are problematic?

how many of them?

in general JOSM/iD tend to reject validator warnings affecting less than 1000
elements worldwide at time of adding them (as a rule of thumb)

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Re: [Tagging] dinosaurs

2022-10-16 Thread Anne-Karoline Distel

I'm just saying it would be nice if the editors (iD, JOSM) would give a
warning if someone tries to put dinosaurs within the range of human
habitation.

On 16/10/2022 18:12, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


sent from a phone


On 16 Oct 2022, at 18:05, Volker Schmidt  wrote:

Do you have a feeling how many "archeologic" sites in OSM are in reality 
palaeontological? I fear this is a frequent error, but difficult to spot.


It doesn’t seem a huge problem, but even if this was widespread my stance would 
be to fix these as errors rather than accepting them as consistent use

Cheers Martin


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Re: [Tagging] dinosaurs

2022-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


sent from a phone

> On 16 Oct 2022, at 18:05, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Do you have a feeling how many "archeologic" sites in OSM are in reality 
> palaeontological? I fear this is a frequent error, but difficult to spot. 


It doesn’t seem a huge problem, but even if this was widespread my stance would 
be to fix these as errors rather than accepting them as consistent use

Cheers Martin 


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Re: [Tagging] dinosaurs

2022-10-16 Thread Anne-Karoline Distel

There were 4, tagged as dinosaur trackway or dinosaur footprints or
similar. Obviously, even though dinosaurs were quite big, I can't see
them on satellite view, so I just changed the key to description and
added geological=palaeontological_site.

Anne

On 16/10/2022 17:02, Volker Schmidt wrote:

Do you have a feeling how many "archeologic" sites in OSM are in
reality palaeontological? I fear this is a frequent error, but
difficult to spot.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2022, 17:33 Anne-Karoline Distel, 
wrote:

Hello all,

I'm doing a huge tidy-up amongst the values for "site_type",
documented
in a diary post:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/b-unicycling/diary/400151

I've come across a few dinosaur footprints, but that is not
archaeology,
because archaeology is about man made structures. Is there a way to
implement a warning into the editors not to combine
"archaeological_site" with dinosaurs? I will replace the few I found
with geological=palaeontological_site

(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:geological%3Dpalaeontological_site).

Maybe this is the wrong mailing list for it...

Anne


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Re: [Tagging] dinosaurs

2022-10-16 Thread Volker Schmidt
Do you have a feeling how many "archeologic" sites in OSM are in reality
palaeontological? I fear this is a frequent error, but difficult to spot.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2022, 17:33 Anne-Karoline Distel, 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'm doing a huge tidy-up amongst the values for "site_type", documented
> in a diary post:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/b-unicycling/diary/400151
>
> I've come across a few dinosaur footprints, but that is not archaeology,
> because archaeology is about man made structures. Is there a way to
> implement a warning into the editors not to combine
> "archaeological_site" with dinosaurs? I will replace the few I found
> with geological=palaeontological_site
> (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:geological%3Dpalaeontological_site
> ).
>
> Maybe this is the wrong mailing list for it...
>
> Anne
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] dinosaurs

2022-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 16. Okt. 2022 um 17:33 Uhr schrieb Anne-Karoline Distel <
annekadis...@web.de>:

> I've come across a few dinosaur footprints, but that is not archaeology,
> because archaeology is about man made structures. Is there a way to
> implement a warning into the editors not to combine
> "archaeological_site" with dinosaurs? I will replace the few I found
> with geological=palaeontological_site
> (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:geological%3Dpalaeontological_site
> ).
>
>

hm, a single footprint makes it a palaeontological site? Maybe, still I'd
go for a footprint tag,
on a node or polygon: natural=fossil_track or "ichnite" if it should sound
scientific

On a way: natural=fossil_trackway or protichnites (a trace / sequencs of
tracks)

you could then add another tag to specify the kind of beeing that has left
the footprint,
e.g. with "ichnotaxon"/ichnospecie/ichnogenus or something understandable.



> Maybe this is the wrong mailing list for it...



all tagging questions are welcome, but you could have also asked on
osm-paleontology-talk, if you had created it before ;-)

Cheers,
Martin
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