Re: [Tagging] landcover=asphalt ; landuse=highway

[SelfishSeahorse]

On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 15:38, Leo Gaspard  wrote:
> These tags has already been put forth in the landcover proposal [1], but
> I was just pointed to [2] where a user complained (rightfully) that the
> shape of the road on OSM mismatched the shape of the actual road.

> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1387860

I think that the mapping of the streets at that location still doesn't
reflect reality well: I'd expect there to be separated carriageways,
which isn't the case. This also has a negative effect on routing, e.g.
see:



This is how I would map the situation:



Regards, Markus

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Re: [Tagging] landcover=asphalt ; landuse=highway

[Ralph Aytoun]

This is a part of landuse that is missing on Openstreetmap. There is a term 
used for this in road planning. It is called a “road reserve” which includes 
all parts of the road components. The surfaced carriageways, central 
reservations, hard and soft shoulders, sidewalks (pavements), buffer zones, 
verges, embankments, sound barriers.  Any work that needs to be carried out 
within the area of the reserve requires permission from the government or local 
authority that is responsible for that section of the road reserve.

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From: Mateusz Konieczny
Sent: 14 July 2018 12:02
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] landcover=asphalt ; landuse=highway

Yes, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dhighway

13. Lipiec 2018 15:43 od bhou...@gmail.com:
I would think `landuse=highway` would work kind of like `landuse=railway`, used 
to map a right of way corridor, not the actual asphalt surface.

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Re: [Tagging] landcover=asphalt ; landuse=highway

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Yes, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dhighway 


13. Lipiec 2018 15:43 od bhou...@gmail.com :


> I would think `landuse=highway` would work kind of like `landuse=railway`, 
> used to map a right of way corridor, not the actual asphalt surface.
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Re: [Tagging] landcover=asphalt ; landuse=highway

[Mateusz Konieczny]

13. Lipiec 2018 15:36 od osm...@leo.gaspard.io :


> officially-defined tags




There is no thing like this in OSM 

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Re: [Tagging] landcover=asphalt ; landuse=highway

[osm.tagging]

In my opinion:

 

area:highway=* for the actual road surface (there are some rules how exactly 
these areas should be segmented at intersections, and how these areas should be 
connected with the actual highway ways)

surface=* on these to describe the material the road surface is made of

if barrier=kerb lines have been traced, they can be used as part of a 
area:highway=* multipolygon. (And if they haven’t already been traced, then 
ways in the right position will become necessary to form the area:highway, so 
might as well properly tag them with barrier=kerb at that time).

 

landuse=highway is for the whole public right of way, including the road 
surface, footpath, verge, … So the outer edge of the landuse=highway area are 
the lot boundaries of the properties surrounding the road.

 

landcover=grass can be used for the area between the kerb and the outer edge of 
the landuse=highway area. (assuming there is grass growing there, otherwise 
whatever the landcover is obviously).

 

From: Martin Koppenhoefer  
Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2018 06:05
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] landcover=asphalt ; landuse=highway

 

 

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On 13. Jul 2018, at 15:43, Bryan Housel mailto:bhou...@gmail.com> > wrote:

>From what I remember people are already using  `area:highway=*` for detailed 
>street area mapping.

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/area%3Ahighway 
<https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/area:highway> 

 

 

+1, for the surface of roads, the tag „surface“ is common (landcover is not 
used for road surfaces).

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Re: [Tagging] landcover=asphalt ; landuse=highway

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 13. Jul 2018, at 15:43, Bryan Housel  wrote:
> 
> From what I remember people are already using  `area:highway=*` for detailed 
> street area mapping.
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/area%3Ahighway


+1, for the surface of roads, the tag „surface“ is common (landcover is not 
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Re: [Tagging] landcover=asphalt ; landuse=highway

[Bryan Housel]

From what I remember people are already using  `area:highway=*` for detailed 
street area mapping.
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/area%3Ahighway 


I would think `landuse=highway` would work kind of like `landuse=railway`, used 
to map a right of way corridor, not the actual asphalt surface.

Thanks, Bryan



> On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:36 AM, Leo Gaspard  wrote:
> 
> These tags has already been put forth in the landcover proposal [1], but
> I was just pointed to [2] where a user complained (rightfully) that the
> shape of the road on OSM mismatched the shape of the actual road.
> 
> As a consequence, I think we should add the `landuse=highway` in the
> list of officially-defined tags, especially given it is already used
> ~10k times.
> 
> And encourage putting the relevant polygon inside the associatedStreet,
> because that would make sense.
> 
> And potentially also add landcover=asphalt, because why not?
> 
> FTR, google maps already has a similar feature, that is visible eg. at [3]
> 
> What do you think about this?
> 
> 
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover
> 
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1387860
> 
> [3]
> https://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#18/35.8820/139.5169=2=mapnik=google-map
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