Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Hubert87 via Tagging
Am 12.09.2019 um 23:24 schrieb Peter Elderson: In NL node networks all node2node routes are route relations. Then all the relations and the nodes are added to the network relation, where the network:type (i.e. the setup/system/rules), the network name, operator, website etc are tagged.

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
In NL node networks all node2node routes are route relations. Then all the relations and the nodes are added to the network relation, where the network:type (i.e. the setup/system/rules), the network name, operator, website etc are tagged. Currently, the network relation for node networks is used

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Hubert87 via Tagging
To summarize: - (highway) Use lcn=yes on the highway; (my Idea) maybe with some more Information about the network like lcn:operator=*, lcn:ref=* or similar. - (route-relation) split up the network into smaller relations going from guidepost to guidepost. Seems very complicated, also to query/get

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I think it makes sense to map preference routes as route relations, same as node2node routes within node networks. I am not a fan of network relations if they are just collections of elements, but if the information about how they are organised and used is also present and verifiable by survey

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
I see similarities of this approach with the hiking paths of the alpine clubs, but with the important difference that the routes do not have a reference. And it's very similar to a node network, except that the nodes are not numbered. It's a 1:1 copy of the road network signposting (and please

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 11:18, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > I don't think this is good mapping. agreed, I didn’t imply it was good mapping, what I said was that it can be mapped without question, because it is there, visible a verifiable. No need for a relation at all, and I

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
I don't think this is good mapping. Firstly, this is not a route. A route is something that gets you from one place to another. This is a network of routes, and there is a tag for it, type=network[1] But this type of a relation breaks the "Relations are not Categories" rule [2]. That's why I think

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 10:49, Peter Elderson wrote: > > If there is agreement that this actually is something worth mapping, I don't > see a problem there. this is how wikipedia works, in OpenStreetMap you do not need approval of others that something is “worth” mapping,

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I would say it is a system of preferential cycleroutes to different destinations. It resembles the system of preferential truck routes in Amsterdam. It is a system, and it's visible on the ground. The arrow signs create a route to the next signpost in the chosen direction. If there is agreement