Re: [Tails-dev] Reducing attack surface of kernel and tightening firewall/sysctls

2014-12-11 Thread Oliver-Tobias Ripka
According to anonym on Thu, Dec 11 2014: So, in addition to proto tcp, how does --syn compare to state NEW? Actually, what is it we are trying to defend against here? Is there any conceivable attack vector based on sending non-syn packets for non-ESTABLISHED (i.e. NEW) TCP streams? Ok...

Re: [Tails-dev] Reducing attack surface of kernel and tightening firewall/sysctls

2014-12-09 Thread Oliver-Tobias Ripka
According to Jacob Appelbaum on Thu, Dec 04 2014: On 12/4/14, Oliver-Tobias Ripka o...@bockcay.de wrote: According to anonym on Thu, Dec 04 2014: FWIW I experienced no issues during my tests with *only* ESTABLISHED in both the INPUT and OUTPUT chains so neither NEW nor RELATED seems

Re: [Tails-dev] Reducing attack surface of kernel and tightening firewall/sysctls

2014-12-04 Thread Oliver-Tobias Ripka
] https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/dhcp-users/2012-August/015863.html [2] http://bit.ly/11YRHcE [3] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308833 According to Michael Rogers on Thu, Dec 04 2014: On 04/12/14 01:06, Oliver-Tobias Ripka wrote: - DHCP still works. Which is strange, isn't? I

Re: [Tails-dev] Reducing attack surface of kernel and tightening firewall/sysctls

2014-12-04 Thread Oliver-Tobias Ripka
According to anonym on Thu, Dec 04 2014: FWIW I experienced no issues during my tests with *only* ESTABLISHED in both the INPUT and OUTPUT chains so neither NEW nor RELATED seems essential for the basic usage I tested. And of course the above exploits didn't work due to the absence of NEW.

Re: [Tails-dev] Reducing attack surface of kernel and tightening firewall/sysctls

2014-12-04 Thread Oliver-Tobias Ripka
Thinking some more about this I think that there might not only be the TCP PATH MTU issue, but also my list of protocols used by Tails was incomplete. While it does not run by default I think I2P is supported within Tails and it seems to have also UDP firewall requirements [1] that need to be

Re: [Tails-dev] Reducing attack surface of kernel and tightening firewall/sysctls

2014-12-03 Thread Oliver-Tobias Ripka
Hey, I agree that removing the attack surface is a good idea. Some thoughts and material for discussion on this...: You make no distinction between the INPUT and OUTPUT chains and suggest that both should be changed to NEW, ESTABLISHED. I understand your argument for the OUTPUT chain but I would