Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-05-03 Thread sajolida
u: > Hi all, > > In summary of this discussion, I would conclude that we agree that we > can and should abandon the Verification Extension and move the code to > our website. > > Thank you all for your insightful ideas & comments. Full ack. Regarding JS caching: - I agree with intrigeri that t

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-04-26 Thread u
Hi all, In summary of this discussion, I would conclude that we agree that we can and should abandon the Verification Extension and move the code to our website. Thank you all for your insightful ideas & comments. Cheers! u. ___ Tails-dev mailing list

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-04-26 Thread u
Hi! On 26.04.19 14:51, intrigeri wrote: > u: >> On 16.04.19 14:29, intrigeri wrote: > >>> One rather minor implementation note, that's relevant in this context >>> only because any software is only as secure as the _version run by >>> actual users_: this migration increases the need to ensure web

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-04-26 Thread intrigeri
Hi, u: > On 16.04.19 14:29, intrigeri wrote: >> One rather minor implementation note, that's relevant in this context >> only because any software is only as secure as the _version run by >> actual users_: this migration increases the need to ensure web >> browsers use the correct version of the

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-04-26 Thread u
Hi! On 16.04.19 14:29, intrigeri wrote: > jvoisin: >>> General security implications >>> - >>> >>> The question we are asking ourselves is: are there any predictable >>> downsides to move the verification code from an extension to the website? > >> I don't see any sign

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-04-16 Thread intrigeri
Hi, jvoisin: >> General security implications >> - >> >> The question we are asking ourselves is: are there any predictable >> downsides to move the verification code from an extension to the website? > I don't see any significant downsides. I could not find any eith

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-28 Thread segfault
sajolida: > u: >> We know from Javascript statistics of our download page that roughly >> ~20% of the downloads of Tails images are verified by users using the >> verification extension. The optional OpenPGP verification accounts for >> 9% of downloads (computed using the number of downloads of the

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-27 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
Thanks to everyone for talking through the details. On Fri 2019-03-22 15:47:23 +0100, Nicolas Vigier wrote: > With the current version of the extension, I don't know if it makes a > big difference. However if there was some plan to improve the extension > to make it verify gpg signatures, then tha

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-27 Thread sajolida
u: > On 26.03.19 12:01, sajolida wrote: >> u: >> It's good to see you on our discussion channels :) >> >>> On 22.03.19 15:47, Nicolas Vigier wrote: On Fri, 22 Mar 2019, sajolida wrote: > Whether there's a security loss for the 20% of users who currently use > the extension is precisely

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-26 Thread u
Hi! On 26.03.19 12:01, sajolida wrote: > u: > It's good to see you on our discussion channels :) > >> On 22.03.19 15:47, Nicolas Vigier wrote: >>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019, sajolida wrote: Whether there's a security loss for the 20% of users who currently use the extension is precisely what

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-26 Thread sajolida
u: > We know from Javascript statistics of our download page that roughly > ~20% of the downloads of Tails images are verified by users using the > verification extension. The optional OpenPGP verification accounts for > 9% of downloads (computed using the number of downloads of the OpenPGP > signa

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-26 Thread sajolida
u: > On 22.03.19 02:24, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> Is the concern that it's too expensive to maintain both the extension >> and the javascript going forward? > > Ideally we'd only maintain one of those, but I think your idea is good: > if we could increase verification by having an internal mec

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-26 Thread sajolida
u: > Hi! Hi Nicolas, It's good to see you on our discussion channels :) > On 22.03.19 15:47, Nicolas Vigier wrote: >> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019, sajolida wrote: >>> Whether there's a security loss for the 20% of users who currently use >>> the extension is precisely what we are asking more opinions ab

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-25 Thread u
Hi! On 22.03.19 02:24, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Is the concern that it's too expensive to maintain both the extension > and the javascript going forward? Ideally we'd only maintain one of those, but I think your idea is good: if we could increase verification by having an internal mechanism,

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-25 Thread u
Hi! On 22.03.19 15:47, Nicolas Vigier wrote: > On Fri, 22 Mar 2019, sajolida wrote: >> Whether there's a security loss for the 20% of users who currently use >> the extension is precisely what we are asking more opinions about. >> >> For example, jvoisin's primary reaction on this thread is that i

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-22 Thread Nicolas Vigier
On Fri, 22 Mar 2019, sajolida wrote: > > Whether there's a security loss for the 20% of users who currently use > the extension is precisely what we are asking more opinions about. > > For example, jvoisin's primary reaction on this thread is that it's > doesn't have any significant downsides. >

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-22 Thread sajolida
jvoisin: >> General security implications >> - >> >> The question we are asking ourselves is: are there any predictable >> downsides to move the verification code from an extension to the website? > > I don't see any significant downsides. Ok, that's a pretty straight-

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-22 Thread sajolida
Daniel Kahn Gillmor: > hi all-- > > thanks for bringing this discussion, and your reasoning for it, to the > broader community. :) Thanks for chiming in! > On Wed 2019-03-20 14:25:50 +0100, u. wrote: >> We know from Javascript statistics of our download page that roughly >> ~20% of the downloads

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-21 Thread jvoisin
> General security implications > - > > The question we are asking ourselves is: are there any predictable > downsides to move the verification code from an extension to the website? I don't see any significant downsides. I think that having the verification happening

Re: [Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-21 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
hi all-- thanks for bringing this discussion, and your reasoning for it, to the broader community. On Wed 2019-03-20 14:25:50 +0100, u. wrote: > We know from Javascript statistics of our download page that roughly > ~20% of the downloads of Tails images are verified by users using the > verificat

[Tails-dev] Security implications: moving code from Verification Extension to our website

2019-03-20 Thread u
Hi security people, after working on the Verification Extension for the USB image project, I proposed to get rid of it and integrate the Javascript code that performs the verification directly into our website [1]. Today I'm writing to you because we need your valuable input on the security impli