Re: [Tails-dev] boot tails iso with grub
> On Jan 25, 2019, at 2:10 AM, intrigeri wrote: > > I'd much rather see us work on > making "installing and running Tails on an internal hard drive" > a first-class citizen: it would benefit much more people. I agree! As I’ve been saying for many years now. :-) And the other thing I’ve been saying is that HD-resident Tails would be especially useful if it works on a Windows tablet, as there are still many of these priced around US $100. Such machines are cheap enough and small enough to act as companion devices for people who also have laptops. While I’m thinking about it, it would be useful if Tails, while running from a hard disk, could still respond to the sudden removal of a USB flash drive in the usual way. The drive shouldn’t have to have anything on it, nor should it be necessary to mount it. Ideally, any kind of USB device connected to an external port should also be usable (a keyboard or mouse, for example). It should be enough to select a USB device from a panel icon so that the memory erasure procedure is triggered by a surprise removal. Best regards, . png ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] [Tails-project] boot tails iso with grub
Ok,
no problem. I will consider ending this onboard tails.
i just thought that is was safe to boot a tails iso with grub's loopback
to ram. (tails is running in ram)
gd
Op 25/01/19 om 11:10 schreef intrigeri:
Hi,
linux-service:
I am no export, but using this now:
curl -s
"https://tails.boum.org/install/v2/Tails/amd64/stable/latest.json; | jq
. | awk -F'"' '{ for(i=1; i<=NF; i++) { if($i ~ /^http/) print $i } } '
but it is no pure jq
I'm afraid we're running in circles :/ I'm sorry about that.
First, I'll reiterate: I appreciate that you're trying to ship Tails
on these computers. Thank you!
Now, let's take a step back. This thread started with you essentially
asking essentially "is it safe to ship this modified Tails and its
home-made upgrade system?". So far the discussion has been:
1. answering "it could probably be made safe if you do this and that,
but in the current state of things, it's not OK to call this Tails".
But quite some bits of "this and that" are not implemented.
2. asking you more info that I need to answer your question
meaningfully. Some of the first batch of questions I've asked in
October have not been answered yet.
Since installing and running Tails on an internal hard drive is not
supported yet, safely ship something that can be called "Tails" on
these computers requires non-trivial software development, UX design
and tech writing work, and only so the basics are covered and users'
expectations match what you're actually providing (not even aiming at
providing a full-fledged Tails experience).
I'll be honest with you: at this point of the process, I'm not
confident at all that you'll manage to find/allocate the resources
needed to do all this work.
And I don't think it makes sense for Tails, as a project, to invest
much in doing this work ourselves. I'd much rather see us work on
making "installing and running Tails on an internal hard drive"
a first-class citizen: it would benefit much more people. I don't
expect this will happen shortly but it's good to know that it would
address most of the issues identified in the course of
this conversation.
So I would like to ask you to reconsider whether you are in a position
to get all the needed custom work done. And if not, it would be much
better to stop shipping
something-like-Tails-but-not-quite-but-that-still-pretends-to-be-Tails
on the internal hard drive. The good news is that there are many
other, much simpler & cheaper, ways to let your clients know about
Tails and more general privacy issues, for example:
- include a flyer promoting Tails and/or Tails stickers in the box
when you ship a computer
- give the default browser a home page explaining that private
browsing mode / incognito tabs are not that incognito, and pointing
to our website
- add a bookmark to our website in the default browser configuration
… and I'm sure a quick collective brainstorming would find many more
ideas :)
Cheers,
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Re: [Tails-dev] [Tails-project] boot tails iso with grub
Hi,
linux-service:
> I am no export, but using this now:
> curl -s
> "https://tails.boum.org/install/v2/Tails/amd64/stable/latest.json; | jq
> . | awk -F'"' '{ for(i=1; i<=NF; i++) { if($i ~ /^http/) print $i } } '
> but it is no pure jq
I'm afraid we're running in circles :/ I'm sorry about that.
First, I'll reiterate: I appreciate that you're trying to ship Tails
on these computers. Thank you!
Now, let's take a step back. This thread started with you essentially
asking essentially "is it safe to ship this modified Tails and its
home-made upgrade system?". So far the discussion has been:
1. answering "it could probably be made safe if you do this and that,
but in the current state of things, it's not OK to call this Tails".
But quite some bits of "this and that" are not implemented.
2. asking you more info that I need to answer your question
meaningfully. Some of the first batch of questions I've asked in
October have not been answered yet.
Since installing and running Tails on an internal hard drive is not
supported yet, safely ship something that can be called "Tails" on
these computers requires non-trivial software development, UX design
and tech writing work, and only so the basics are covered and users'
expectations match what you're actually providing (not even aiming at
providing a full-fledged Tails experience).
I'll be honest with you: at this point of the process, I'm not
confident at all that you'll manage to find/allocate the resources
needed to do all this work.
And I don't think it makes sense for Tails, as a project, to invest
much in doing this work ourselves. I'd much rather see us work on
making "installing and running Tails on an internal hard drive"
a first-class citizen: it would benefit much more people. I don't
expect this will happen shortly but it's good to know that it would
address most of the issues identified in the course of
this conversation.
So I would like to ask you to reconsider whether you are in a position
to get all the needed custom work done. And if not, it would be much
better to stop shipping
something-like-Tails-but-not-quite-but-that-still-pretends-to-be-Tails
on the internal hard drive. The good news is that there are many
other, much simpler & cheaper, ways to let your clients know about
Tails and more general privacy issues, for example:
- include a flyer promoting Tails and/or Tails stickers in the box
when you ship a computer
- give the default browser a home page explaining that private
browsing mode / incognito tabs are not that incognito, and pointing
to our website
- add a bookmark to our website in the default browser configuration
… and I'm sure a quick collective brainstorming would find many more
ideas :)
Cheers,
--
intrigeri
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Re: [Tails-dev] [Tails-project] boot tails iso with grub
I am no export, but using this now:
curl -s
"https://tails.boum.org/install/v2/Tails/amd64/stable/latest.json; | jq
. | awk -F'"' '{ for(i=1; i<=NF; i++) { if($i ~ /^http/) print $i } } '
but it is no pure jq
gd
Op 25/01/19 om 09:57 schreef intrigeri:
Hi,
linux-service:
Ok, but i am not able you get the correct jq code to retrieve the url.
The - character is making some problems,,,
Can you please share the exact command you're running and the error
you get? (If our JSON is not strictly valid enough, we can fix that.
If jq is buggy, there are plenty of other JSON parsers around.)
Cheers,
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Re: [Tails-dev] [Tails-project] boot tails iso with grub
Hi, linux-service: > Ok, but i am not able you get the correct jq code to retrieve the url. > The - character is making some problems,,, Can you please share the exact command you're running and the error you get? (If our JSON is not strictly valid enough, we can fix that. If jq is buggy, there are plenty of other JSON parsers around.) Cheers, -- intrigeri ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
