Re: [Tails-dev] DeepOnion project

[intrigeri]

Muri Nicanor:
> i guess thats what they were referring to, see #903892:

Good catch!

FTR I'm personally not interested enough to invest time into this package.
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Re: [Tails-dev] DeepOnion project

[Muri Nicanor]

hi,

On 07/17/2018 08:52 PM, segfault wrote:
>> Right now we are even looking for a mentor for Debian (I don't know if some
>> people from your Team can help us with this) but all the hard work seems to
>> be done and we are on the testing phase.
> 
> See here for information on how to find a mentor who could upload your
> package to the Debian repositories:
> 
> https://mentors.debian.net

i guess thats what they were referring to, see #903892:
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/217751003.516606.1531729272...@webmail.123-reg.co.uk
(an RFS is the official way to ask for sponsorship for a new package in
Debian)

cheers,
muri
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Re: [Tails-dev] DeepOnion project

[segfault]

Hi,

Vaas !:
> We are glad to let your Team know that we were working on the Debian
> Repository in the last months with our Development Team and we did a lot of
> progress on it. We took your words about doing something first as a way to
> earn the trust from your members and who that we want to help and build
> something for the good of all with real commitment.

I don't see where anyone said anything like that. I suspect there is a
misunderstanding. When intrigeri was using the word "trust" in his
reply, he said that including your software in Debian's own
repositories, instead of a repository hosted by you, requires less trust
of *users* towards your project (when they decide themselves to install
your software in Tails).

> Right now we are even looking for a mentor for Debian (I don't know if some
> people from your Team can help us with this) but all the hard work seems to
> be done and we are on the testing phase.

See here for information on how to find a mentor who could upload your
package to the Debian repositories:

https://mentors.debian.net

> We would like to know if one of your Team would like to Talk with us on
> Wire, we can set a meeting with our Developers for testing purposes

I don't see the point of setting up such a meeting with you. You are
working on making your software available to Debian users (which
includes Tails users). If you need help with that, I'd suggest you try
to find a Debian mentor (see above).

Cheers
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Re: [Tails-dev] DeepOnion project

[Tobias Frei]

Advertisement?!

Where is this going at?

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 18:52 Vaas !  wrote:

> Hi Tails Project,
>
> We are glad to let your Team know that we were working on the Debian
> Repository in the last months with our Development Team and we did a lot of
> progress on it. We took your words about doing something first as a way to
> earn the trust from your members and who that we want to help and build
> something for the good of all with real commitment.
> Right now we are even looking for a mentor for Debian (I don't know if
> some people from your Team can help us with this) but all the hard work
> seems to be done and we are on the testing phase.
> We would like to know if one of your Team would like to Talk with us on
> Wire, we can set a meeting with our Developers for testing purposes and
> then, we can cooperate together for donations (we would like to donate to
> your project in reward for some advertisement) and even future improvements.
>
> Hope we can get in touch soon and again, thank you so much for your time.
>
> Best Regards,
> Vaas, DeepOnion.org Moderator.
>
>
> On 22 May 2018 at 03:51, Vaas !  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your quick response and sorry for writing you back a bit late.
>>
>> I have been talking with our Developers and they started to work on the
>> Debian Repository, we hope this cycle can be good for both of us.
>>
>> I will send you more details in the future.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Vaas, DeepOnion.org Moderator.
>>
>>
>> On 7 May 2018 at 08:10, intrigeri  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Vaas !:
>>> > In the past I contacted your project regarding to donations for your
>>> > platform, DeepOnion is an anonymous Cryptocurrency that uses Tor and we
>>> > have been donating to the Tor project just to be grateful for their
>>> > development, also helping with more Nodes to the network.
>>>
>>> > People from the Tails Project said that it could work if we create a
>>> Debian
>>> > Repository for it since your software uses Debian and we can handle
>>> this
>>> > with our Development Team. I just want to update our conversation, to
>>> know
>>> > if we should go on with this Development and also if you can consider
>>> to
>>> > use our Wallet in your pre installed apps (maybe some download app)
>>> from
>>> > your OS in the future (of course this is not something that you must
>>> do but
>>> > we would be happy for it since some of our users use Tails).
>>>
>>> There are two aspects to this:
>>>
>>> 1. Allowing Tails users to use DeepOnion
>>>
>>>Once your client software is in Debian (stable or worst case
>>>stable backports), then Tails users will be able to easily install
>>>and use it. If needed we can ship whatever tiny config file is
>>>needed to make it go through Tor so that it works out of the box.
>>>
>>>Creating a third-party Debian repository would also work but using
>>>that is much harder (for Tails users) to set up and the amount of
>>>trust they have to put into your project and its infrastructure is
>>>much greater. So this might be a reasonable first step but I would
>>>suggest you don't stop and that and instead include your software
>>>in Debian proper :)
>>>
>>> 2. Accepting donations to Tails with DeepOnion
>>>
>>>It seems that every cryptocurrency project around there has been
>>>getting in touch with us in the last 2 years, requesting that we
>>>accept donations made with their tool. We work with limited
>>>resources and can definitely not support them all. If somebody
>>>built an unbiased comparison that allowed us to draw a conclusion
>>>like "it would be worth the effort to support cryptocurrency X,
>>>here's how you would do it" then we might do it. But so far I've
>>>not seen this happen. Needless to say, members of cryptocurrency
>>>projects are not the best placed people to build such an unbiased
>>>summary :)
>>>
>>>And most of the time, to accept such donations we would need to run
>>>software ourselves that's not in Debian, which our internal teams'
>>>security policy forbids ⇒ point #1 above is relevant here as well.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> --
>>> intrigeri
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Tails-dev] DeepOnion project

[Vaas !]

Hi Tails Project,

We are glad to let your Team know that we were working on the Debian
Repository in the last months with our Development Team and we did a lot of
progress on it. We took your words about doing something first as a way to
earn the trust from your members and who that we want to help and build
something for the good of all with real commitment.
Right now we are even looking for a mentor for Debian (I don't know if some
people from your Team can help us with this) but all the hard work seems to
be done and we are on the testing phase.
We would like to know if one of your Team would like to Talk with us on
Wire, we can set a meeting with our Developers for testing purposes and
then, we can cooperate together for donations (we would like to donate to
your project in reward for some advertisement) and even future improvements.

Hope we can get in touch soon and again, thank you so much for your time.

Best Regards,
Vaas, DeepOnion.org Moderator.


On 22 May 2018 at 03:51, Vaas !  wrote:

> Thanks for your quick response and sorry for writing you back a bit late.
>
> I have been talking with our Developers and they started to work on the
> Debian Repository, we hope this cycle can be good for both of us.
>
> I will send you more details in the future.
>
> Best Regards,
> Vaas, DeepOnion.org Moderator.
>
>
> On 7 May 2018 at 08:10, intrigeri  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Vaas !:
>> > In the past I contacted your project regarding to donations for your
>> > platform, DeepOnion is an anonymous Cryptocurrency that uses Tor and we
>> > have been donating to the Tor project just to be grateful for their
>> > development, also helping with more Nodes to the network.
>>
>> > People from the Tails Project said that it could work if we create a
>> Debian
>> > Repository for it since your software uses Debian and we can handle this
>> > with our Development Team. I just want to update our conversation, to
>> know
>> > if we should go on with this Development and also if you can consider to
>> > use our Wallet in your pre installed apps (maybe some download app) from
>> > your OS in the future (of course this is not something that you must do
>> but
>> > we would be happy for it since some of our users use Tails).
>>
>> There are two aspects to this:
>>
>> 1. Allowing Tails users to use DeepOnion
>>
>>Once your client software is in Debian (stable or worst case
>>stable backports), then Tails users will be able to easily install
>>and use it. If needed we can ship whatever tiny config file is
>>needed to make it go through Tor so that it works out of the box.
>>
>>Creating a third-party Debian repository would also work but using
>>that is much harder (for Tails users) to set up and the amount of
>>trust they have to put into your project and its infrastructure is
>>much greater. So this might be a reasonable first step but I would
>>suggest you don't stop and that and instead include your software
>>in Debian proper :)
>>
>> 2. Accepting donations to Tails with DeepOnion
>>
>>It seems that every cryptocurrency project around there has been
>>getting in touch with us in the last 2 years, requesting that we
>>accept donations made with their tool. We work with limited
>>resources and can definitely not support them all. If somebody
>>built an unbiased comparison that allowed us to draw a conclusion
>>like "it would be worth the effort to support cryptocurrency X,
>>here's how you would do it" then we might do it. But so far I've
>>not seen this happen. Needless to say, members of cryptocurrency
>>projects are not the best placed people to build such an unbiased
>>summary :)
>>
>>And most of the time, to accept such donations we would need to run
>>software ourselves that's not in Debian, which our internal teams'
>>security policy forbids ⇒ point #1 above is relevant here as well.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> intrigeri
>>
>
>
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Re: [Tails-dev] DeepOnion project

[Vaas !]

Thanks for your quick response and sorry for writing you back a bit late.

I have been talking with our Developers and they started to work on the
Debian Repository, we hope this cycle can be good for both of us.

I will send you more details in the future.

Best Regards,
Vaas, DeepOnion.org Moderator.


On 7 May 2018 at 08:10, intrigeri  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Vaas !:
> > In the past I contacted your project regarding to donations for your
> > platform, DeepOnion is an anonymous Cryptocurrency that uses Tor and we
> > have been donating to the Tor project just to be grateful for their
> > development, also helping with more Nodes to the network.
>
> > People from the Tails Project said that it could work if we create a
> Debian
> > Repository for it since your software uses Debian and we can handle this
> > with our Development Team. I just want to update our conversation, to
> know
> > if we should go on with this Development and also if you can consider to
> > use our Wallet in your pre installed apps (maybe some download app) from
> > your OS in the future (of course this is not something that you must do
> but
> > we would be happy for it since some of our users use Tails).
>
> There are two aspects to this:
>
> 1. Allowing Tails users to use DeepOnion
>
>Once your client software is in Debian (stable or worst case
>stable backports), then Tails users will be able to easily install
>and use it. If needed we can ship whatever tiny config file is
>needed to make it go through Tor so that it works out of the box.
>
>Creating a third-party Debian repository would also work but using
>that is much harder (for Tails users) to set up and the amount of
>trust they have to put into your project and its infrastructure is
>much greater. So this might be a reasonable first step but I would
>suggest you don't stop and that and instead include your software
>in Debian proper :)
>
> 2. Accepting donations to Tails with DeepOnion
>
>It seems that every cryptocurrency project around there has been
>getting in touch with us in the last 2 years, requesting that we
>accept donations made with their tool. We work with limited
>resources and can definitely not support them all. If somebody
>built an unbiased comparison that allowed us to draw a conclusion
>like "it would be worth the effort to support cryptocurrency X,
>here's how you would do it" then we might do it. But so far I've
>not seen this happen. Needless to say, members of cryptocurrency
>projects are not the best placed people to build such an unbiased
>summary :)
>
>And most of the time, to accept such donations we would need to run
>software ourselves that's not in Debian, which our internal teams'
>security policy forbids ⇒ point #1 above is relevant here as well.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> intrigeri
>
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Re: [Tails-dev] DeepOnion project

[intrigeri]

Hi,

Vaas !:
> In the past I contacted your project regarding to donations for your
> platform, DeepOnion is an anonymous Cryptocurrency that uses Tor and we
> have been donating to the Tor project just to be grateful for their
> development, also helping with more Nodes to the network.

> People from the Tails Project said that it could work if we create a Debian
> Repository for it since your software uses Debian and we can handle this
> with our Development Team. I just want to update our conversation, to know
> if we should go on with this Development and also if you can consider to
> use our Wallet in your pre installed apps (maybe some download app) from
> your OS in the future (of course this is not something that you must do but
> we would be happy for it since some of our users use Tails).

There are two aspects to this:

1. Allowing Tails users to use DeepOnion

   Once your client software is in Debian (stable or worst case
   stable backports), then Tails users will be able to easily install
   and use it. If needed we can ship whatever tiny config file is
   needed to make it go through Tor so that it works out of the box.

   Creating a third-party Debian repository would also work but using
   that is much harder (for Tails users) to set up and the amount of
   trust they have to put into your project and its infrastructure is
   much greater. So this might be a reasonable first step but I would
   suggest you don't stop and that and instead include your software
   in Debian proper :)

2. Accepting donations to Tails with DeepOnion

   It seems that every cryptocurrency project around there has been
   getting in touch with us in the last 2 years, requesting that we
   accept donations made with their tool. We work with limited
   resources and can definitely not support them all. If somebody
   built an unbiased comparison that allowed us to draw a conclusion
   like "it would be worth the effort to support cryptocurrency X,
   here's how you would do it" then we might do it. But so far I've
   not seen this happen. Needless to say, members of cryptocurrency
   projects are not the best placed people to build such an unbiased
   summary :)

   And most of the time, to accept such donations we would need to run
   software ourselves that's not in Debian, which our internal teams'
   security policy forbids ⇒ point #1 above is relevant here as well.

Cheers,
-- 
intrigeri
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Re: [Tails-dev] DeepOnion project

[Alexandre Trottier]

While I don't know particularly much about deeponion other than what I've
read was that tongue in cheek? They are absolutely a thing. Tails includes
electrum (or at least it did the last time I used it) labelling all crypto
currencies a pyramid scheme is a pretty bold statement.

If anything it would be beneficial to the purpose of tails. How are
dissidents in countries like Iran or Syria supposed to get rewarded for
particular work without going through government channels that those
oppressive regimes would be able to monitor?

Maybe not DeepOnion but to me it makes sense for tails to integrate with an
anonymous cryptocurrency whether that's DeepOnion, Monero or what have you.

On Wed, May 2, 2018, 7:42 PM Tobias Frei,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Are cryptocurrencies really still a thing? What would one do with them,
> other than trying to sell them to "even more silly" people until the
> pyramid scheme collapses? Which goods that are really useful to me can I
> buy using your currency, and why would I use it instead of real money or
> gold?
>
> I personally am not worried about your usage of the Tor network either,
> because every single YouTube user will likely cause more traffic in five
> hours than this cryptocurrency will until it is abandoned and considered to
> be "not cool enough anymore" by its initially enthusiastic developers. ;)
>
> Best regards
> Tobias Frei
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2018, 04:20 Vaas !  wrote:
>
>> Greetings Tails Project,
>>
>> In the past I contacted your project regarding to donations for your
>> platform, DeepOnion is an anonymous Cryptocurrency that uses Tor and we
>> have been donating to the Tor project just to be grateful for their
>> development, also helping with more Nodes to the network.
>>
>> People from the Tails Project said that it could work if we create a
>> Debian Repository for it since your software uses Debian and we can handle
>> this with our Development Team. I just want to update our conversation, to
>> know if we should go on with this Development and also if you can consider
>> to use our Wallet in your pre installed apps (maybe some download app) from
>> your OS in the future (of course this is not something that you must do but
>> we would be happy for it since some of our users use Tails).
>>
>> We aim to create a good relationship with other open source projects and
>> we invite you to visit our Community.
>>
>> https://deeponion.org/community
>>
>> Since 40 weeks we are working to build this project and maybe that can
>> help to show our commitment.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Vaas, DeepOnion.org Moderator.
>>
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Re: [Tails-dev] DeepOnion project

[Tobias Frei]

Hi,

Are cryptocurrencies really still a thing? What would one do with them,
other than trying to sell them to "even more silly" people until the
pyramid scheme collapses? Which goods that are really useful to me can I
buy using your currency, and why would I use it instead of real money or
gold?

I personally am not worried about your usage of the Tor network either,
because every single YouTube user will likely cause more traffic in five
hours than this cryptocurrency will until it is abandoned and considered to
be "not cool enough anymore" by its initially enthusiastic developers. ;)

Best regards
Tobias Frei

On Thu, May 3, 2018, 04:20 Vaas !  wrote:

> Greetings Tails Project,
>
> In the past I contacted your project regarding to donations for your
> platform, DeepOnion is an anonymous Cryptocurrency that uses Tor and we
> have been donating to the Tor project just to be grateful for their
> development, also helping with more Nodes to the network.
>
> People from the Tails Project said that it could work if we create a
> Debian Repository for it since your software uses Debian and we can handle
> this with our Development Team. I just want to update our conversation, to
> know if we should go on with this Development and also if you can consider
> to use our Wallet in your pre installed apps (maybe some download app) from
> your OS in the future (of course this is not something that you must do but
> we would be happy for it since some of our users use Tails).
>
> We aim to create a good relationship with other open source projects and
> we invite you to visit our Community.
>
> https://deeponion.org/community
>
> Since 40 weeks we are working to build this project and maybe that can
> help to show our commitment.
>
> Best Regards,
> Vaas, DeepOnion.org Moderator.
>
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[Tails-dev] DeepOnion project

[Vaas !]

 Greetings Tails Project,

In the past I contacted your project regarding to donations for your
platform, DeepOnion is an anonymous Cryptocurrency that uses Tor and we
have been donating to the Tor project just to be grateful for their
development, also helping with more Nodes to the network.

People from the Tails Project said that it could work if we create a Debian
Repository for it since your software uses Debian and we can handle this
with our Development Team. I just want to update our conversation, to know
if we should go on with this Development and also if you can consider to
use our Wallet in your pre installed apps (maybe some download app) from
your OS in the future (of course this is not something that you must do but
we would be happy for it since some of our users use Tails).

We aim to create a good relationship with other open source projects and we
invite you to visit our Community.

https://deeponion.org/community

Since 40 weeks we are working to build this project and maybe that can help
to show our commitment.

Best Regards,
Vaas, DeepOnion.org Moderator.
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