Re: [Tails-dev] NSA tails and closed code

2021-06-15 Thread Austin English
On Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 16:42 syster via Tails-dev  wrote:

> What I always thought what would be nice:
>
> Having 2 versions of Tails. One pure and free, and one with proprietary
> code that is needed to run some hardware.
>
> If one has a wifi adapter that runs on free software, most if not all of
> the proprietary code that is included in Tails is of no use for that
> person, at least that's how I understand it. Such an wifi adapter can be
> be bought for the cost of an USB stick.
>

That has the downside of doubling development/testing efforts, and
confusion for users.

>
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Re: [Tails-dev] NSA tails and closed code

2021-06-15 Thread syster via Tails-dev

What I always thought what would be nice:

Having 2 versions of Tails. One pure and free, and one with proprietary 
code that is needed to run some hardware.


If one has a wifi adapter that runs on free software, most if not all of 
the proprietary code that is included in Tails is of no use for that 
person, at least that's how I understand it. Such an wifi adapter can be 
be bought for the cost of an USB stick.



On 6/14/21 10:01 AM, boyska wrote:

Georg Koppen:

anonym:

Romper Stomper via Tails-dev:

and why are there closed codes in “tails”?


I guess you are referring to the firmwares required for hardware
support? If we didn't ship these firmwares Tails would not run on most
hardware. It's a necessary trade-off.


Is there a list of those firmwares somewhere (I couldn't find anything
on the Tails website about that topic after searching a bit) or is it
"just" a Debian package taken 1:1 from upstream?


https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/blob/stable/config/chroot_local-packageslists/tails-common.list#L247 


this is the list of debian packages Tails installs to have firmwares


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Re: [Tails-dev] NSA tails and closed code

2021-06-14 Thread boyska

Georg Koppen:

anonym:

Romper Stomper via Tails-dev:

and why are there closed codes in “tails”?


I guess you are referring to the firmwares required for hardware
support? If we didn't ship these firmwares Tails would not run on most
hardware. It's a necessary trade-off.


Is there a list of those firmwares somewhere (I couldn't find anything
on the Tails website about that topic after searching a bit) or is it
"just" a Debian package taken 1:1 from upstream?


https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/blob/stable/config/chroot_local-packageslists/tails-common.list#L247
this is the list of debian packages Tails installs to have firmwares

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boyska
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Re: [Tails-dev] NSA tails and closed code

2021-06-14 Thread Georg Koppen
anonym:
> Romper Stomper via Tails-dev:
>> Is it true that the “tails” ports are controlled by the NSA?
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean with "ports". However, NSA doesn't control
> anything related to Tails to our knowledge, and we do what we can to
> defend against it, e.g.: https://tails.boum.org/news/reproducible_Tails/
> 
> and why are there closed codes in “tails”?
> 
> I guess you are referring to the firmwares required for hardware
> support? If we didn't ship these firmwares Tails would not run on most
> hardware. It's a necessary trade-off.

Is there a list of those firmwares somewhere (I couldn't find anything
on the Tails website about that topic after searching a bit) or is it
"just" a Debian package taken 1:1 from upstream?

Georg



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Re: [Tails-dev] NSA tails and closed code

2021-06-14 Thread anonym

Romper Stomper via Tails-dev:

Is it true that the “tails” ports are controlled by the NSA?


I'm not sure what you mean with "ports". However, NSA doesn't control anything 
related to Tails to our knowledge, and we do what we can to defend against it, e.g.: 
https://tails.boum.org/news/reproducible_Tails/

and why are there closed codes in “tails”?

I guess you are referring to the firmwares required for hardware support? If we 
didn't ship these firmwares Tails would not run on most hardware. It's a 
necessary trade-off.

Cheers!
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[Tails-dev] NSA tails and closed code

2021-06-14 Thread Romper Stomper via Tails-dev
Hi!
Is it true that the “tails” ports are controlled by the NSA? and why are there 
closed codes in “tails”?
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