Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry Pi 4 with 8G of RAM

2020-05-28 Thread Kevin Cozens via talk
On 2020-05-28 12:03 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: I just got an ad from Seeed Studio. It offers an 8G Raspberry Pi 4 for pre-order. I didn't know of this new RAM size before seeing the ad. Someone I talk with in an IRC channel saw this coming ages ago. He said they were calling

Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry Pi 4 with 8G of RAM

2020-05-28 Thread Stewart Russell via talk
On Thu., May 28, 2020, 14:08 Dhaval Giani, wrote: > >> Maybe a plug here > https://www.oracle.com/linux/downloads/linux-arm-downloads.html > > It won't have accelerated graphics either. If the Foundation hasn't done it for their release for the hardware they know best. Stewart > --- Post to

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 4:53 PM Lennart Sorensen < lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 09:27:09AM -0400, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > Streetcars in Toronto use narrow gauge rails and trucks on the city > streets > > in order to provide for and blend two lanes of

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 09:27:09AM -0400, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > Streetcars in Toronto use narrow gauge rails and trucks on the city streets > in order to provide for and blend two lanes of vehicular traffic each way. > Speed and reliability is limited by those environmental factors.

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 07:02:19AM -0400, James Knott via talk wrote: > LRT used to be called "streetcars".  Toronto has had them for well over a > century. And Toronto was one of the very few cities that never got rid of them. Sometimes being slow at jumping on trends can turn out to be a good

Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry Pi 4 with 8G of RAM

2020-05-28 Thread Dhaval Giani via talk
> > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 12:57, Andrew Heagle via talk > > wrote: > > > > 64bit version of Raspbian (Now apparently renamed to Raspberry Pi > > OS) in beta also released. > > Note that it's very beta: much desktop acceleration isn't available yet. > > Maybe

Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry Pi 4 with 8G of RAM

2020-05-28 Thread Stewart C. Russell via talk
On 2020-05-28 1:40 p.m., Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: Canadian (Ottawa) availability: https://www.buyapi.ca/product/raspberry-pi-4-model-b-8gb/ Craig at Elmwood in Toronto hasn't listed his yet, but likely will soon: https://elmwoodelectronics.ca/collections/raspberry-pi Elmwood isn't an

Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry Pi 4 with 8G of RAM

2020-05-28 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
Canadian (Ottawa) availability: https://www.buyapi.ca/product/raspberry-pi-4-model-b-8gb/ Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56 On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 12:57, Andrew Heagle via talk wrote: > Raspberry Pi 4 8GB version was just released today! > >

Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry Pi 4 with 8G of RAM

2020-05-28 Thread Andrew Heagle via talk
Raspberry Pi 4 8GB version was just released today! https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/8gb-raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-at-75/ 64bit version of Raspbian (Now apparently renamed to Raspberry Pi OS) in beta also released. Andrew On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 12:03, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > I

[GTALUG] Raspberry Pi 4 with 8G of RAM

2020-05-28 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
I just got an ad from Seeed Studio. It offers an 8G Raspberry Pi 4 for pre-order. I didn't know of this new RAM size before seeing the ad. Estimated availability date is June 5. US$75 for a computer with 8G seems

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2020-05-28 11:33 AM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: If your doing the cabling then the cost of the termination and testing equipment  can become a stumbling block.\ There is also the cable prep and cleaning that is needed with optical fiber which is not part of the CATx When running fibre,

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 5/28/20 9:10 AM, James Knott via talk wrote: On 2020-05-28 08:30 AM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: Generally speaking fiber is still more expensive than copper wiring but the difference is not nearly as bad as it once was. The biggest thing is the price of CAT-5,6,7... is way down the price

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2020-05-28 09:27 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: LRT's use dedicated surface access and Toronto's first dedicated LRT was planned and enacted a few short years ago. Take a look at the Queen line, along the Queensway. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Thu, May 28, 2020, 7:02 AM James Knott via talk, wrote: > On 2020-05-27 09:20 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: > > > > Funny thing, I have been working with telecom, computers and networks > > for decades, but have never, not once, seen FDDI implemented > anywhere. > > > > > > I don't

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2020-05-28 08:30 AM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: Generally speaking fiber is still more expensive than copper wiring but the difference is not nearly as bad as it once was. The biggest thing is the price of CAT-5,6,7... is way down the price curve due to volume and the fact that most of us

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2020-05-28 07:45 AM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: LRT used to be called "streetcars".  Toronto has had them for well over a century. There is also GO transit that started around 1967 but I guess that would best be described as HRT. There used to be something called "interurban" railways. 

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:16 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > | From: Russell Reiter via talk > > | the Prince Albert viaduct > | which added the subway tracks under that bridge long before > | there were subways in the area to connect those tracks to. That was world > | class hometown

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 5/28/20 6:57 AM, James Knott via talk wrote: On 2020-05-27 04:26 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: I can't say for sure whether token ring on optical networks has left the IoT entirely. There have been a lot of technology that's come and gone over the years. Fiber and associated hardware is still

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 5/28/20 7:02 AM, James Knott via talk wrote: [snip] Toronto is a pretty late adopter of LRT tech, so in that sense, others have done our structural groundwork for us. I rode my first articulated urban LRT vehicle in Europe in 1967. The pilot LRT project for Toronto didn't materialize til

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2020-05-27 09:20 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: Funny thing, I have been working with telecom, computers and networks for decades, but have never, not once, seen FDDI implemented anywhere. I don't necessarily think that's a funny thing, you don't typically get the pedigree of every

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2020-05-27 04:26 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: I can't say for sure whether token ring on optical networks has left the IoT entirely. There have been a lot of technology that's come and gone over the years. Fiber and associated hardware is still very expensive. Not really. In some process

Re: [GTALUG] I’m obviously way behind in my reading: IBM owns Redhat

2020-05-28 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Russell Reiter via talk | the Prince Albert viaduct | which added the subway tracks under that bridge long before | there were subways in the area to connect those tracks to. That was world | class hometown capacity planning, in its day. The Prince Edward Viaduct. I imagine that actual