Re: [GTALUG] Ongoing war story (currently issues of user trust)

2024-01-24 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
[I seem to have forgotten to send this.] | From: Peter King via talk | Can't say that I disagree with any of this.  I protested when the UofT decided | to amalgamate all its services on Microsoft Server (to no avail), and even | more so when they made it all but impossible not to use Outlook

Re: [GTALUG] Ongoing war story (currently issues of user trust)

2024-01-22 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 2024-01-22 17:19, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | From: Peter King via talk | Well, more exactly, Microsoft Exchange Server insists on authentication being | through XOAUTH2. I don't know what XOAuth2 is. Googling gets me things that would take too long to read.

Re: [GTALUG] Ongoing war story (currently issues of user trust)

2024-01-22 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Peter King via talk | Well, more exactly, Microsoft Exchange Server insists on authentication being | through XOAUTH2. I don't know what XOAuth2 is. Googling gets me things that would take too long to read. If XOauth2 is the same as OAuth2 (I'm sure it isn't), this might be a good

Re: [GTALUG] Ongoing war story (currently issues of user trust)

2024-01-22 Thread Peter King via talk
On 1/20/24 21:26, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: A few years ago I found a package that would proxy IMAP into an Exchange server. If I remember correctly it was called davmail. It made some of the problems with a clients insistence on Exchange go away. Well, more exactly, Microsoft Exchange

Re: [GTALUG] Ongoing war story (currently issues of user trust)

2024-01-20 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 2024-01-20 10:14, Peter King via talk wrote: Can't say that I disagree with any of this.  I protested when the UofT decided to amalgamate all its services on Microsoft Server (to no avail), and even more so when they made it all but impossible not to use Outlook (after using mutt happily

Re: [GTALUG] Ongoing war story (currently issues of user trust)

2024-01-20 Thread Dave Collier-Brown via talk
On 2024-01-20 10:14, Peter King via talk wrote: Just recently I was told that the University would not allow me to ssh in to my office computer "because ssh had to be protected from the internet" (!), and instead I was supposed to use some binary blob to create a VPN into the UofT network --

Re: [GTALUG] Ongoing war story (currently issues of user trust)

2024-01-20 Thread David Collier-Brown via talk
On 2024-01-20 02:51, ac via talk wrote: On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 22:44:01 -0500 Alvin Starr via talk wrote: I have a client who buys systems fromhttps://www.servergiant.net/ I have also bought systems from them. The prices will not be as cheap as a minipc from amazon but you can get a decent HP or

Re: [GTALUG] Ongoing war story (currently issues of user trust)

2024-01-20 Thread Peter King via talk
Can't say that I disagree with any of this.  I protested when the UofT decided to amalgamate all its services on Microsoft Server (to no avail), and even more so when they made it all but impossible not to use Outlook (after using mutt happily for years and years) - on the grounds that Outlook

Re: [GTALUG] Ongoing war story (currently issues of user trust)

2024-01-19 Thread ac via talk
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 22:44:01 -0500 Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > I have a client who buys systems from https://www.servergiant.net/ > I have also bought systems from them. > The prices will not be as cheap as a minipc from amazon but you can > get a decent HP or Dell tower system. > > > On