Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-09 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-09-09 22:08, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: I was thinking in terms of features.  As a (lapsed) CCNA, I agree they can be "fun" to configure. I was thinking in terms of product quality. I have seen switches with up to 10% of ports with problems. It also seemed to me from that outside

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-09 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 2023-09-09 15:10, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 12:45:47PM -0400, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: OpenWRT is a Debian based distribution that has been tuned to run in a small footprint that usually comes with consumer appliances but it is by no means limited to just that form

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-09 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 2023-09-09 16:47, James Knott via talk wrote: On 2023-09-09 15:10, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: Being closer to Cisco is not an advantage in my books. No kidding.  I was thinking in terms of features.  As a (lapsed) CCNA, I agree they can be "fun" to configure. I was thinking

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-09 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-09-09 15:10, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: Being closer to Cisco is not an advantage in my books. No kidding.  I was thinking in terms of features.  As a (lapsed) CCNA, I agree they can be "fun" to configure. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-09 Thread Val Kulkov via talk
On Sat, 9 Sept 2023 at 15:07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 01:25:15PM -0400, Val Kulkov via talk wrote: > > To the best of my knowledge, OpenWRT retains all manually installed > > packages during system upgrade if you use their "sysupgrade" utility, > with > > the exception

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 12:45:47PM -0400, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > Being closer to Cisco is not an advantage in my books. No kidding. :) > OpenWRT is a Debian based distribution that has been tuned to run in a small > footprint that usually comes with consumer appliances but it is by no

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 01:25:15PM -0400, Val Kulkov via talk wrote: > To the best of my knowledge, OpenWRT retains all manually installed > packages during system upgrade if you use their "sysupgrade" utility, with > the exception of the x86_64 platform. On x86_64, upgrading is indeed a > pain.

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-09 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-09-09 09:23, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: Do you mean as a server or as a client? Client.  I don't run DHCPv6 on my LAN.  I use SLAAC.  Rogers provides IPv6 via DHCPv6-PD.  I switched from a Linux firewall/router to pfSense, as SuSE Linux didn't support it.  I have no idea if

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-09 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: James Knott via talk | On 2023-09-07 13:36, Scott Allen wrote: | > I'm sure OpenWRT can do them just as well, once configured. I haven't looked | > at OpenWRT lately but I previously got the impression that many add-on | > packages and even built-in features didn't include GUI

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-08 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-09-08 14:49, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: More to your point, it may be convenient for your router to have more than two ethernet ports. Giles' box only has two, yours and mine have four. (Giles's box sure is cute. Mine has 4.  The other day, I mentioned I received a catalog

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-08 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: James Knott via talk | You might want a guest VLAN/SSID.  I have my firewall configured so that the | only thing a guest can do on my network is ping the guest VLAN interface.  | Beyond that, they can only access the Internet.  I even point them to Google's | DNS server, instead of mine.

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-08 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-09-08 11:50, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: I've been using PCs as my gateway machine for perhaps 25 years. I've been lazy and only changed when forced to (and sometimes slow at that). I've always run some Red Hat distro (RHL, CentOS, Fedora). I had been using an HP compact

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-08 Thread Mark Prosser via talk
Reviewing your original request (sorry, I lost it due to spam filtering in Thunderbird) ... I think this guide might get you in the direction you want: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/the-ars-guide-to-building-a-linux-router-from-scratch/ The guide is quite old (last updated ~2018)

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-08 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Giles Orr via talk | As per my previous post, I just purchased a mini-PC which I intend to | turn into a router. Is anyone aware of a guide for turning a Debian | PC into a _home_ router? I'd like to be running probably DNSmasq, | using a blocklist, stuff like that. I've found

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-08 Thread Mark Prosser via talk
Good discussion, everyone. I think there's merit to *WRT & *Sense distributions. Might I add a few other things to consider, if GUI isn't the concern. If you want features & good stability/security: *VyOS* (https://vyos.io/) -- it's fairly easy to build the image and have the latest LTS

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread Jamon Camisso via talk
On 2023-09-07 10:20 a.m., Giles Orr via talk wrote: As per my previous post, I just purchased a mini-PC which I intend to turn into a router. Is anyone aware of a guide for turning a Debian PC into a _home_ router? I'd like to be running probably DNSmasq, using a blocklist, stuff like that.

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 13:42, James Knott wrote: > Does it support DHCPv6-PD? https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/ipv6/configuration "Automatic bootstrap from SLAAC, stateless DHCPv6, stateful DHCPv6, DHCPv6-PD and any combination" -- Scott --- Post to this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-09-07 13:36, Scott Allen wrote: I'm sure OpenWRT can do them just as well, once configured. I haven't looked at OpenWRT lately but I previously got the impression that many add-on packages and even built-in features didn't include GUI extensions. Configuration of these had to be done

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 12:56, James Knott wrote: > I don't doubt OpenWRT can do those things, but can they do them as well as > pfSense? I'm sure OpenWRT can do them just as well, once configured. I haven't looked at OpenWRT lately but I previously got the impression that many add-on packages

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread Val Kulkov via talk
On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 12:28, Scott Allen wrote: > With OpenWRT, it appears you have to re-install any manually installed > packages after a system upgrade. Another problem with OpenWRT is that > they seem to frequently up the minimum hardware requirements (flash > and RAM) and drop support for

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-09-07 12:27, Scott Allen via talk wrote: With OPNsense, you can check if a new release is available from the router's GUI itself and updating appears to be straightforward, either from the GUI or the console. It is likewise very easy to update in pfSense.  All I have to do is open

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-09-07 12:48, Scott Allen wrote: On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 12:21, James Knott via talk wrote: it supports routing protocols such as OSPF & BGP https://www.linuxtechguy.com/2020/11/27/dynamic-routing-using-ospf-on-openwrt/ https://docs.daper.io/networking/bgp/openwrt/ I don't doubt

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 12:21, James Knott via talk wrote: > it supports routing protocols such as OSPF & BGP https://www.linuxtechguy.com/2020/11/27/dynamic-routing-using-ospf-on-openwrt/ https://docs.daper.io/networking/bgp/openwrt/ > One is my main LAN, which also has a VLAN for my guest WiFi

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 2023-09-07 12:21, James Knott via talk wrote: On 2023-09-07 11:33, Val Kulkov via talk wrote: On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 11:06, James Knott via talk wrote: A friend of mine is moving to pfSense or OPNsense, from OpenWRT. I am curious what OpenWRT didn't provide that pfSense or OPNsense

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 11:33, Val Kulkov via talk wrote: > I am curious what OpenWRT didn't provide that pfSense or OPNsense do provide. I'm moving from DD-WRT to OPNsense (or maybe pfSense). One of the primary reasons I'm doing so is for keeping the firmware up to date. With all the "WRT"

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-09-07 11:33, Val Kulkov via talk wrote: On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 11:06, James Knott via talk wrote: A friend of mine is moving to pfSense or OPNsense, from OpenWRT. I am curious what OpenWRT didn't provide that pfSense or OPNsense do provide. Quite a lot.  pfSense (OPNsense is a

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread Val Kulkov via talk
On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 11:06, James Knott via talk wrote: > A friend of mine is moving to pfSense or OPNsense, from OpenWRT. > I am curious what OpenWRT didn't provide that pfSense or OPNsense do provide. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 11:08, Scott Allen wrote: > BSD, and thus pfSense or OPNsense, is limited in the chipsets that it > supports as an access point. I intended to include a URL: https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/wireless/hardware.html -- Scott --- Post to this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 10:21, Giles Orr via talk wrote: > If it turns out to be direly difficult, pfsense may happen later. What chipset is used for WiFi? BSD, and thus pfSense or OPNsense, is limited in the chipsets that it supports as an access point. Just curious; how/where is the WiFi

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-09-07 10:39, Val Kulkov via talk wrote: Then, you can run OpenWRT as a VM. OpenWRT has everything you'll ever need in a home router, and more. A friend of mine is moving to pfSense or OPNsense, from OpenWRT. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-09-07 10:20, Giles Orr via talk wrote: Please don't suggest pfsense: I'm well aware of it, and it may well be better. But I'm very adept at managing Debian, and initially at least I intend to try to set this up. If it turns out to be direly difficult, pfsense may happen later. I

Re: [GTALUG] Debian Linux as-a-router Guide

2023-09-07 Thread Val Kulkov via talk
On Thu, 7 Sept 2023 at 10:21, Giles Orr via talk wrote: > As per my previous post, I just purchased a mini-PC which I intend to > turn into a router. Is anyone aware of a guide for turning a Debian > PC into a _home_ router? I'd like to be running probably DNSmasq, > using a blocklist, stuff