Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-04-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 02:04:29AM -0400, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: >I bought an LG refrigerator when I bought my house in 2005. It is working > fine. Maybe I got lucky. I have LG fridge, dishwasher, washer and dryer, and they made the OLED panel in my TV (but not the TV itself). No

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-04-08 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
Sometimes it's a crapshoot, even different models from the same company will have different levels of reliability and cost-cutting tradeoffs. One can get lucky in either direction. I have a Viking freezer in my basement that hasn't missed a beat from the day we unpacked it. Evan Leibovitch,

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-04-08 Thread Howard Gibson via talk
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 01:57:39 -0400 Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 16:25, James Knott via talk wrote: > > Life may be good, but LG products aren't. I've had a monitor and cell > > phone made by them. I wasn't happy with either. Evan, I bought an LG refrigerator

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-04-07 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 16:25, James Knott via talk wrote: Life may be good, but LG products aren't. I've had a monitor and cell > phone made by them. I wasn't happy with either. > It seems like LG heard our

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-31 Thread mwilson--- via talk
"Anthony de Boer via talk" wrote: > (At one point my son was looking at the price of some decent hardware > for running flight sim, and found he could have quite a few hours wet > rental of a Cessna 152 for that money; the latter won out. I'm of the > same opinion; get up from the keyboard and

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-31 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
I'll side with Gilles here. I have an RPi 4 and it's useful for many things, but a replacement for my desktop it's not. This is not just a gaming issue; I often need dozens of browser tabs open at once and the system is used for video, audio and graphics editing as well as communications (not

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:25:32AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > This is the TV I'd like. But I haven't overcome sticker shock. It is > very good. > I opted for the Sony A1E 55" over the LG C7 a few years ago. No regrets. If I had a

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-31 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 3/31/21 12:25 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | From: James Knott via talk | Life may be good, but LG products aren't.  I've had a monitor and cell phone | made by them.  I wasn't happy with either. This is the TV I'd like. But I haven't overcome sticker shock. It is very good.

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: James Knott via talk | Life may be good, but LG products aren't.  I've had a monitor and cell phone | made by them.  I wasn't happy with either. This is the TV I'd like. But I haven't overcome sticker shock. It is very good. --- Post to

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Anthony de Boer via talk
Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 01:08:53PM -0400, Anthony de Boer via talk wrote: > > If all else fails, a Raspberry Pi 4 will drive a pair of high-end > > monitors, probably not with the grunt that any modern game would want, > > but enough to be the new X Terminal. > > It can

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Stewart C. Russell via talk
On 2021-03-30 4:27 p.m., o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > > They do make some decent white goods as well. Yes, they surely do. Paid an arm and a leg for an LG washer with a condenser dryer - a thing that's been standard in Europe for 30+ years but is virtually unknown in the energy-efficiency

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, o1bigtenor wrote: > Mr Russell > > > > What I am assuming > > > When one works from assumptions - - - - well its very easy to be quite > out to lunch. Now you decide to edit my posts. Remember you were the one who asked how to find a modeline. I told you how to

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
Mr Russell > > What I am assuming When one works from assumptions - - - - well its very easy to be quite out to lunch. > > Maybe because they already know what to do with information as postulated and > assume their readership does as well. It's not all that farfetched to assume > that people

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:22:14PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > OK, I'm now a little more confused than I was when I started. > > I have two 4K screens (Samsung U28E590D) that I want to use in day to day > work. Maybe some streaming, but the most intensive game I would play is > Cities:

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 01:08:53PM -0400, Anthony de Boer via talk wrote: > If all else fails, a Raspberry Pi 4 will drive a pair of high-end > monitors, probably not with the grunt that any modern game would want, > but enough to be the new X Terminal. It can drive one 4K screen at 60Hz. It can

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:24 PM James Knott via talk wrote: > > On 2021-03-30 2:53 p.m., Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: > >> Um, LG is an abbreviation for (and 1995 rebranding of "Lucky Goldstar" > > > > Really? I remember when I first started seeing ads for LG TVs and > > appliances. The ads used

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:21 AM Russell Reiter wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:50 AM o1bigtenor via talk, wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 8:00 AM Russell Reiter via talk >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:33 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk, >> > wrote: >> >> Having spent

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2021-03-30 2:53 p.m., Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: Um, LG is an abbreviation for (and 1995 rebranding of "Lucky Goldstar" Really? I remember when I first started seeing ads for LG TVs and appliances. The ads used to say "Life's Good". I always thought that is what the letters stood for.

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 14:53, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: > The ads used to say "Life's Good". I always thought that is what > the letters stood for. They likely used the tagline hoping people would think that. It helps disassociate LG from Lucky Goldstar, since Goldstar was considered by many

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Anthony de Boer via talk
Giles Orr wrote: > On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 13:08, Anthony de Boer via talk > wrote: > > ... > > If all else fails, a Raspberry Pi 4 will drive a pair of high-end > > monitors, probably not with the grunt that any modern game would want, > > but enough to be the new X Terminal. > > That just

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Kevin Cozens via talk
On 2021-03-30 10:08 a.m., Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 09:51, o1bigtenor via talk > wrote: My LG 4k monitor is actually made by Goldstar. Um, LG is an abbreviation for (and 1995 rebranding of "Lucky Goldstar" Really? I remember when I

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Giles Orr via talk
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 13:08, Anthony de Boer via talk wrote: > Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > > I have two 4K screens (Samsung U28E590D) that I want to use in day to day > > work. Maybe some streaming, but the most intensive game I would play is > > Cities: Skylines > > Any suggestions on

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Anthony de Boer via talk
Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > I have two 4K screens (Samsung U28E590D) that I want to use in day to day > work. Maybe some streaming, but the most intensive game I would play is > Cities: Skylines > Any suggestions on what is the minimum GPU that will reasonably drive them? > I've backordered

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
OK, I'm now a little more confused than I was when I started. I have two 4K screens (Samsung U28E590D) that I want to use in day to day work. Maybe some streaming, but the most intensive game I would play is Cities: Skylines Any suggestions on what is the minimum GPU that will reasonably drive

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 06:49:57AM -0500, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > Hmmm - - - the card isn't current so finding specs isn't > straightforward - - - but - - - - > https://www.cnet.com/products/xfx-radeon-rx-550-graphics-card-radeon-rx-550-4-gb/ > gives a possible reason for the problem

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:50 AM o1bigtenor via talk, wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 8:00 AM Russell Reiter via talk > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:33 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk, > wrote: > > Having spent quite a few hours working on things in this area I have > found a few

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 09:51, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: My LG 4k monitor is actually made by Goldstar. > Um, LG is an abbreviation for (and 1995 rebranding of ) "Lucky Goldstar"

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Stewart Russell via talk
On Tue., Mar. 30, 2021, 09:50 o1bigtenor via talk, wrote: > > > > My LG 4k monitor is actually made by Goldstar. > LG was formerly known as Lucky Goldstar. It's probably embedded in some ancient table, like the "Acer" name for my Asus monitor. Cheers Stewart --- Post to this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 08:55, Jamon Camisso via talk wrote: > Am running a new nvidia 1650 series card here with no issues, and doing > h264 encoding of the output at the same time. Under $300 if you look around. > I've been looking everywhere for 1650 cards (my first choice is actually a 1660

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 8:00 AM Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:33 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk, > wrote: Having spent quite a few hours working on things in this area I have found a few things. > > > IMO I think the issue is actually due the display EDID provided

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:33 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk, wrote: > Yeah, but it won't be about video cards (thankfully). > > (FWIW, the issues I am having driving two 4K monitors with an RX 550 exist > in both Windows and Linux, suggesting that it's not capable of driving both > monitors at full

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Jamon Camisso via talk
On 30/03/2021 01:32, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: Yeah, but it won't be about video cards (thankfully). (FWIW, the issues I am having driving two 4K monitors with an RX 550 exist in both Windows and Linux, suggesting that it's not capable of driving both monitors at full spec. Either I

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:33 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > > Yeah, but it won't be about video cards (thankfully). > > (FWIW, the issues I am having driving two 4K monitors with an RX 550 exist in > both Windows and Linux, suggesting that it's not capable of driving both > monitors at

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-29 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
Yeah, but it won't be about video cards (thankfully). (FWIW, the issues I am having driving two 4K monitors with an RX 550 exist in both Windows and Linux, suggesting that it's not capable of driving both monitors at full spec. Either I need to dial down the frequency as Russell suggests, or I

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-29 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk | You have the floor tomorrow. Perhaps a discussion on this would be | interesting. Duh. The next meeting is two weeks away. Evan will be the speaker. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-29 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk | [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad? Yes. For example, I've bought a couple ofAMD rx570-class video cards over the last two or three years. Each with 8G of RAM. $200 each, roughly. I recently saw a used one being offered for $500! These are

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-29 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 4:35 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > Hi all. > > I made the mistake that I might want to upgrade my video card. I have a > Radeon RX 550 that is struggling to drive two 4K screens. It works, but > plenty of flickering under both Linux and Windows. > > I looked at a

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-29 Thread steve--- via talk
> Over the last few months I have see articles about chip shortages. > > https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/21/global-shortage-in-computer-chips-reaches-crisis-point > > As for coin mining. > I think the hype and optimism has kind of rubbed off cryptocurrencies. > To the best of my

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-29 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
Over the last few months I have see articles about chip shortages. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/21/global-shortage-in-computer-chips-reaches-crisis-point As for coin mining. I think the hype and optimism has kind of rubbed off cryptocurrencies. To the best of my knowledge ETH