Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-10 12:52 PM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > While the author of the link below lambasted Open Source Cheapskates, > the demise of the Linux Journal speaks to that effect on users of > Linux. I never subscribed, but I picked up a copy now and then, or > browsed it at the library. I

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 10:39 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > | From: Alvin Starr via talk > > | It would be interesting to see the bit densities over time from stone > | tablets(how would cave paintings count?) to the latest production > storage > | systems. > | It would also be

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

| From: Alvin Starr via talk | The old 78RPM recordings were made of a shellac material that I believe was | more resilient than vinyl but both the masters and produced records were | subject to degradation with use. I gave away my grandmother's 78s to someone who promised to digitize them and

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

| From: Alvin Starr via talk | It would be interesting to see the bit densities over time from stone | tablets(how would cave paintings count?)  to the latest production storage | systems. | It would also be interesting to know how many people had access to the storage | media over time. That

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 1:36 PM James Knott via talk wrote: > On 2019-08-09 01:19 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: > > Jpegs are an exported file format created from aggregated image data > > collected by the CCD. They are digital files and subject to > > transmission errors just like any other signal. My

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 8/9/19 12:47 PM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: [snip] Humans lose thousands of skin cells a day, yet the fabric of the persona stays the same. I think photo data is a little the same, a few stray bits lost here or there won't change the picture that much. However it is possible to

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 8/9/19 12:47 PM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 8:58 AM James Knott via talk, > wrote: On 2019-08-09 08:03 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > This problem is amplified by making a copy of a copy of a copy etc. That is certainly the

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-09 01:19 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: > Jpegs are an exported file format created from aggregated image data > collected by the CCD. They are digital files and subject to > transmission errors just like any other signal. My 13 megapixel phone > saves image data directly as a jpg file. Sure

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 12:51 PM James Knott via talk, wrote: > On 2019-08-09 12:47 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: > > There is a possibility that keeping your photos in raw form will > > protect from major copy errors, but in all situations of moving bits > > in a data stream, there is the possibility

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-09 12:47 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: > There is a possibility that keeping your photos in raw form will > protect from major copy errors, but in all situations of moving bits > in a data stream, there is the possibility of transient error. Jpg was > considered lossy as it could not fully

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 8:58 AM James Knott via talk, wrote: > On 2019-08-09 08:03 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > This problem is amplified by making a copy of a copy of a copy etc. > > That is certainly the case with analog, but with digital the copies > should be exactly the same, even if

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 9:23 AM Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > On 8/9/19 8:03 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 2:45 AM Kevin Cozens via talk > wrote: > >> On 2019-08-02 8:03 a.m., Russell Reiter via talk wrote: >> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 7:23 AM Stewart C. Russell via talk

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 8/9/19 8:03 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 2:45 AM Kevin Cozens via talk > wrote: On 2019-08-02 8:03 a.m., Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 7:23 AM Stewart C. Russell via talk mailto:talk@gtalug.org> [snip]

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-09 08:03 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > This problem is amplified by making a copy of a copy of a copy etc. That is certainly the case with analog, but with digital the copies should be exactly the same, even if on a different media. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 8/9/19 2:44 AM, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: On 2019-08-02 8:03 a.m., Russell Reiter via talk wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 7:23 AM Stewart C. Russell via talk mailto:talk@gtalug.org>> wrote:     On 2019-08-01 11:09 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > > - punch cards and

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 2:45 AM Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: > On 2019-08-02 8:03 a.m., Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 7:23 AM Stewart C. Russell via talk < > talk@gtalug.org > > > wrote: > > > > On 2019-08-01 11:09 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-02 8:03 a.m., Russell Reiter via talk wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 7:23 AM Stewart C. Russell via talk > wrote: On 2019-08-01 11:09 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > > - punch cards and paper tape: 100 years > > - 9-track mag

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 12:14:35PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > There is the invisible problem of "write amplification". Does write > amplification count against the official endurance specifications? If > so, the user can have no real idea of where they are on the odometer. That

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

| From: Lennart Sorensen via talk | A low end SSD can usually last 1000 writes. That is 1000 writes to | every block and it does wear leveling. There is the invisible problem of "write amplification". Does write amplification count against the official endurance specifications? If so, the

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 07:00:43PM -0400, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: >When I bought a hard drive at Best Buy, I asked about SSDs. I understand > that there is a maximum number of writes you can do to them, and the number > is rather small. I was buying a backup drive that runs at night

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 07:14:04PM -0400, William Park via talk wrote: > Lesson here: Don't buy Asus laptop, if you want reliability. Don't buy consumer oriented laptops if you want reliability. My wife had one Asus laptop that was pretty near indestructible, but it was very much a business

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 2:17 PM James Knott via talk, wrote: > On 2019-08-05 01:54 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: > > $50.00 for the hard cover but $70 for paperback is kind of hard to > > understand but so are lots of things these days. > > That $50 is only because it's out of print. Otherwise, it

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-05 01:54 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: > $50.00 for the hard cover but $70 for paperback is kind of hard to > understand but so are lots of things these days. It appears some used copies are available for various prices. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-05 01:54 PM, Russell Reiter wrote: > $50.00 for the hard cover but $70 for paperback is kind of hard to > understand but so are lots of things these days. That $50 is only because it's out of print.  Otherwise, it would cost more.  ;-) I borrowed it from the Mississauga Library. 

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 11:58 AM James Knott via talk, wrote: > On 2019-08-05 09:38 AM, James Knott wrote: > > No that wasn't it. I don't recall the details, but it had to do with > > data recovery. I read about it in a book about IBM's early computers, > > which described the development of

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-05 09:38 AM, James Knott wrote: > No that wasn't it.  I don't recall the details, but it had to do with > data recovery.  I read about it in a book about IBM's early computers, > which described the development of their various computers and other > hardware. > This is the book I read. 

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 9:38 AM James Knott via talk, wrote: > On 2019-08-05 08:28 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > > > From looking at the manual, inverted might be a reference to their > > NOR & XOR logic gates. > > > > > > No that wasn't it. I don't recall the details, but it had

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-05 08:28 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > From looking at the manual, inverted might be a reference to their > NOR & XOR logic gates. > > No that wasn't it.  I don't recall the details, but it had to do with data recovery.  I read about it in a book about IBM's early

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-05 08:28 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > How often would you do routine servicing, as opposed to repairs? They > look like huge dust magnets to me and I can't see dust and magnetic > tape playing well together.   I've forgotten the interval, but they received regular maintenance. 

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 9:21 AM James Knott via talk wrote: > On 2019-08-04 08:09 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: > > Also interesting is that NRZI seems to have two definitions. Non > > Return Zero Inverted or NRZ-IBM. > > > > NRZI was created by IBM, specifically for use with tape drives. They > were

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-04 08:09 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: > Also interesting is that NRZI  seems to have two definitions. Non > Return Zero Inverted or NRZ-IBM.  > NRZI was created by IBM, specifically for use with tape drives.  They were one of the earliest, if not earliest to use mag tape.  I read the

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 8:49 AM James Knott via talk, wrote: > On 2019-08-02 08:03 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > > > > - 9-track mag tape: 10 years > > > > > > Would this form factor be sized like commercial 8 track audio tape > > with an extra track squeezed in for sync? > > No, it

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

| From: Alvin Starr via talk | The lesson should be don't buy the least expensive product if you want | reliability. Not in this case. | Most manufacturers will produce products that are scaled back with the least | expensive components. Not exactly the case for notebooks. For one thing

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

+1 on all Alvin said. Many brands seem to need one or two really low-end PoS units to give Best Buy (and others) something for the far end of the display table where all that matters is price. You may even see really nice outside finishes on the units, or even a connector you won't see on

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, James Knott via talk wrote: Remember. You only get what you pay for That's something a lot of people have never learned. Because much of the time it isn't true. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 23:09:32 -0400 (EDT) "D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk" wrote: > > - petroglyphs: long long time > > - clay tablets: millennia > > - paper (pre-wood-pulp): five hundred years > > - paper made from wood pulp: 75 years > > - punch cards and paper tape: 100 years > > - 9-track

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

Hi Alvin, On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 09:35:47 -0400 Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > On 8/1/19 7:14 PM, William Park via talk wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 11:15:43AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via > > talk wrote: > >> We bought two Asus ux305ca notebooks about three years ago. The > >> Microsoft

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-02 09:35 AM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > The lesson should be don't buy the least expensive product if you want > reliability. Yep.  That's why I bought a Lenovo ThinkPad, rather than a plain Lenovo notebook. > Remember. You only get what you pay for That's something a lot of

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 8/1/19 7:14 PM, William Park via talk wrote: On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 11:15:43AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: We bought two Asus ux305ca notebooks about three years ago. The Microsoft Store had a remarkably good deal on them. I'm not the only GTALUGger to buy this notebook.

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-02 08:03 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > > - 9-track mag tape: 10 years > > > Would this form factor be sized like commercial 8 track audio tape > with an extra track squeezed in for sync?  No, it was 1/2" tape on an open reel.  And it was 9 or 7 actual tracks, with one

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-02 07:23 AM, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: > On 2019-08-01 11:09 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: >> - punch cards and paper tape: 100 years >> >> - 9-track mag tape: 10 years > Good luck getting a reader for any of these now. At least the paper > media is scannable. I

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 7:23 AM Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: > On 2019-08-01 11:09 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > > > > - punch cards and paper tape: 100 years > > > > - 9-track mag tape: 10 years > Would this form factor be sized like commercial 8 track audio tape with an extra

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On 2019-08-01 11:09 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > > - punch cards and paper tape: 100 years > > - 9-track mag tape: 10 years Good luck getting a reader for any of these now. At least the paper media is scannable. Stewart --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

| From: Howard Gibson via talk |When I bought a hard drive at Best Buy, I asked about SSDs. Seeking advice from Best Buy isn't a great idea. Q: What's the difference between a used car salesperson and a computer salesperson? A: The used car salesperson knows that

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

| From: William Park via talk | Lesson here: Don't buy Asus laptop, if you want reliability. Can you expand on that? --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 11:15:43AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > We bought two Asus ux305ca notebooks about three years ago. The Microsoft > Store had a remarkably good deal on them. I'm not the only GTALUGger to > buy this notebook. Lesson here: Don't buy Asus laptop, if you

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 11:15:43 -0400 (EDT) "D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk" wrote: > > Two years ago one of the m.2 SATA SSDs suddenly stopped working. If I > remember correctly, it didn't even show up as a disk. > > Last week the same thing happened on the second notebook. > > The only warning

Re: [GTALUG] War Story: Asus UX305ca SSD failures

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 11:15, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > Two years ago one of the m.2 SATA SSDs suddenly stopped working. If I > remember correctly, it didn't even show up as a disk. > > Last week the same thing happened on the second notebook. Yikes! I guess I better see if I have