Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Jamon Camisso via talk
On 30/03/2021 01:32, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: Yeah, but it won't be about video cards (thankfully). (FWIW, the issues I am having driving two 4K monitors with an RX 550 exist in both Windows and Linux, suggesting that it's not capable of driving both monitors at full spec. Either I

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:33 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > > Yeah, but it won't be about video cards (thankfully). > > (FWIW, the issues I am having driving two 4K monitors with an RX 550 exist in > both Windows and Linux, suggesting that it's not capable of driving both > monitors at

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:33 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk, wrote: > Yeah, but it won't be about video cards (thankfully). > > (FWIW, the issues I am having driving two 4K monitors with an RX 550 exist > in both Windows and Linux, suggesting that it's not capable of driving both > monitors at full

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Stewart Russell via talk
On Tue., Mar. 30, 2021, 09:50 o1bigtenor via talk, wrote: > > > > My LG 4k monitor is actually made by Goldstar. > LG was formerly known as Lucky Goldstar. It's probably embedded in some ancient table, like the "Acer" name for my Asus monitor. Cheers Stewart --- Post to this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 09:51, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: My LG 4k monitor is actually made by Goldstar. > Um, LG is an abbreviation for (and 1995 rebranding of ) "Lucky Goldstar"

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:50 AM o1bigtenor via talk, wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 8:00 AM Russell Reiter via talk > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:33 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk, > wrote: > > Having spent quite a few hours working on things in this area I have > found a few

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 08:55, Jamon Camisso via talk wrote: > Am running a new nvidia 1650 series card here with no issues, and doing > h264 encoding of the output at the same time. Under $300 if you look around. > I've been looking everywhere for 1650 cards (my first choice is actually a 1660

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 8:00 AM Russell Reiter via talk wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:33 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk, > wrote: Having spent quite a few hours working on things in this area I have found a few things. > > > IMO I think the issue is actually due the display EDID provided

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 06:49:57AM -0500, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > Hmmm - - - the card isn't current so finding specs isn't > straightforward - - - but - - - - > https://www.cnet.com/products/xfx-radeon-rx-550-graphics-card-radeon-rx-550-4-gb/ > gives a possible reason for the problem

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Anthony de Boer via talk
Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > I have two 4K screens (Samsung U28E590D) that I want to use in day to day > work. Maybe some streaming, but the most intensive game I would play is > Cities: Skylines > Any suggestions on what is the minimum GPU that will reasonably drive them? > I've backordered

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Giles Orr via talk
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 13:08, Anthony de Boer via talk wrote: > Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > > I have two 4K screens (Samsung U28E590D) that I want to use in day to day > > work. Maybe some streaming, but the most intensive game I would play is > > Cities: Skylines > > Any suggestions on

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Kevin Cozens via talk
On 2021-03-30 10:08 a.m., Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 09:51, o1bigtenor via talk > wrote: My LG 4k monitor is actually made by Goldstar. Um, LG is an abbreviation for (and 1995 rebranding of "Lucky Goldstar" Really? I remember when I

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
OK, I'm now a little more confused than I was when I started. I have two 4K screens (Samsung U28E590D) that I want to use in day to day work. Maybe some streaming, but the most intensive game I would play is Cities: Skylines Any suggestions on what is the minimum GPU that will reasonably drive

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:21 AM Russell Reiter wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:50 AM o1bigtenor via talk, wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 8:00 AM Russell Reiter via talk >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:33 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk, >> > wrote: >> >> Having spent

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:24 PM James Knott via talk wrote: > > On 2021-03-30 2:53 p.m., Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: > >> Um, LG is an abbreviation for (and 1995 rebranding of "Lucky Goldstar" > > > > Really? I remember when I first started seeing ads for LG TVs and > > appliances. The ads used

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:22:14PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > OK, I'm now a little more confused than I was when I started. > > I have two 4K screens (Samsung U28E590D) that I want to use in day to day > work. Maybe some streaming, but the most intensive game I would play is > Cities:

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 14:53, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: > The ads used to say "Life's Good". I always thought that is what > the letters stood for. They likely used the tagline hoping people would think that. It helps disassociate LG from Lucky Goldstar, since Goldstar was considered by many

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2021-03-30 2:53 p.m., Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: Um, LG is an abbreviation for (and 1995 rebranding of "Lucky Goldstar" Really? I remember when I first started seeing ads for LG TVs and appliances. The ads used to say "Life's Good". I always thought that is what the letters stood for.

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Anthony de Boer via talk
Giles Orr wrote: > On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 13:08, Anthony de Boer via talk > wrote: > > ... > > If all else fails, a Raspberry Pi 4 will drive a pair of high-end > > monitors, probably not with the grunt that any modern game would want, > > but enough to be the new X Terminal. > > That just

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 01:08:53PM -0400, Anthony de Boer via talk wrote: > If all else fails, a Raspberry Pi 4 will drive a pair of high-end > monitors, probably not with the grunt that any modern game would want, > but enough to be the new X Terminal. It can drive one 4K screen at 60Hz. It can

[GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, o1bigtenor wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:21 AM Russell Reiter > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:50 AM o1bigtenor via talk, > wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 8:00 AM Russell Reiter via talk < > talk@gtalug.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue,

[GTALUG] X servers [was Re: Has the graphics-card world gone mad?]

2021-03-30 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Anthony de Boer via talk | Back in the day it used to be customary to run X applications on the big | grunty server in the machine room, talking over the network to a | relatively underpowered desktop X Terminal that knew little more than how | to paint stuff on the screen, and that's

Re: [GTALUG] X servers [was Re: Has the graphics-card world gone mad?]

2021-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 06:49:04PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > It seems that network transparent graphics is no longer a thing. > > Scott Sullivan has explained this in our last meeting. Here's what I > absorbed (Scott may consider this a distortion). > > - performance is crap

Re: [GTALUG] 60Hz refresh is overrated [was Re: Has the graphics-card world gone mad?]

2021-03-30 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 7:21 PM Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 06:13:28PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk > wrote: > > TL;DR: at least sometimes 30Hz is fine. > > > > Everything depends on your individual eyes, what you use the monitor > for, > > and the setting of

[GTALUG] 60Hz refresh is overrated [was Re: Has the graphics-card world gone mad?]

2021-03-30 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Lennart Sorensen via talk | On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 01:08:53PM -0400, Anthony de Boer via talk wrote: | > If all else fails, a Raspberry Pi 4 will drive a pair of high-end | > monitors, probably not with the grunt that any modern game would want, | > but enough to be the new X Terminal.

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
Mr Russell > > What I am assuming When one works from assumptions - - - - well its very easy to be quite out to lunch. > > Maybe because they already know what to do with information as postulated and > assume their readership does as well. It's not all that farfetched to assume > that people

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Russell Reiter via talk
On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, o1bigtenor wrote: > Mr Russell > > > > What I am assuming > > > When one works from assumptions - - - - well its very easy to be quite > out to lunch. Now you decide to edit my posts. Remember you were the one who asked how to find a modeline. I told you how to

Re: [GTALUG] 60Hz refresh is overrated [was Re: Has the graphics-card world gone mad?]

2021-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 06:13:28PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > TL;DR: at least sometimes 30Hz is fine. > > Everything depends on your individual eyes, what you use the monitor for, > and the setting of the monitor use. > > For my desktop use, 30Hz is actually fine. It's what

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: James Knott via talk | Life may be good, but LG products aren't.  I've had a monitor and cell phone | made by them.  I wasn't happy with either. This is the TV I'd like. But I haven't overcome sticker shock. It is very good. --- Post to

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Stewart C. Russell via talk
On 2021-03-30 4:27 p.m., o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > > They do make some decent white goods as well. Yes, they surely do. Paid an arm and a leg for an LG washer with a condenser dryer - a thing that's been standard in Europe for 30+ years but is virtually unknown in the energy-efficiency

Re: [GTALUG] Has the graphics-card world gone mad?

2021-03-30 Thread Anthony de Boer via talk
Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 01:08:53PM -0400, Anthony de Boer via talk wrote: > > If all else fails, a Raspberry Pi 4 will drive a pair of high-end > > monitors, probably not with the grunt that any modern game would want, > > but enough to be the new X Terminal. > > It can

Re: [GTALUG] 60Hz refresh is overrated [was Re: Has the graphics-card world gone mad?]

2021-03-30 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Lennart Sorensen via talk | On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 06:13:28PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | > TL;DR: at least sometimes 30Hz is fine. | I find a lot of youtube content is 60 fps, as is much of the content I | have on mythtv so due to my video card not having HDMI 2.0, I