Re: [GTALUG] BASH on Android OS

[William Porquet via talk]

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/add-startup-applications-android-58654.html

You're welcome. ;-)

Seems no rooting required.

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On 30 Oct 2017 3:23 p.m., "Kevin Cozens via talk"  wrote:

> On 2017-10-28 11:42 PM, R360 Design INC via talk wrote:
>
>> Where can we find Bash scripting guide specifically for Android devices?
>> Ideally we will create Bash scripts that automatically execute when we turn
>> on the Android device.
>>
>
> I suspect you will have to root the device to be able to setup scripts
> that will run when the device it turned on.
>
> One option you can look at for running scripts is the app called BusyBox.
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Re: [GTALUG] BASH on Android OS

[Kevin Cozens via talk]

On 2017-10-28 11:42 PM, R360 Design INC via talk wrote:
Where can we find Bash scripting guide specifically for Android devices? 
Ideally we will create Bash scripts that automatically execute when we turn 
on the Android device.


I suspect you will have to root the device to be able to setup scripts that 
will run when the device it turned on.


One option you can look at for running scripts is the app called BusyBox.

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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting questions

[o1bigtenor via talk]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Don Tai  wrote:

>
> I would also council to separate your domains from your hosting provider.
> If you have a dispute with your hosting provider you should be able to
> easily switch hosts. You cannot do this if your domains and hosting are
> from the same source. It is like separating your email address from your
> internet provider. Maybe you are lucky and the host provider has farmed
> this out to a domain names company? Of provided a domain name for free
> (transfer after one year)?
>
> Bots will try to hack into your web site, and if you have business stuff
> there that is a bonus for them. A clear separation between the internet and
> your internal network is always a good idea.
>
> Whatever you can do at home you should be able to set up on your host
> provider in a test environment. The host should be able to provide a linux
> session, just like at home.
>
> Take nothing for granted when looking for a host provider. If it does not
> say backups and restores are available and free, then it is not provided.
> If not sure, then ask.
>
> Web sites are very easy to put up and maintain, depending on the package
> you wish to use. Of course having less money means having to learn more.
>

Hello Don

Yes - - - its clear that these two functions need to be separated. They
will be in the time leading up to renewal which happens later this year.

The web site stuff is quite challenging. I had wanted to use a LAPP stack
but the hosting firm only supports MySql. (Using Postgresql in another
application and wanted to not have to learn the differences along with all
the other 'goodies'.)

The web seems very much like a used car lot selling older cars - - - not
very straightforward at the best of times IMO!

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Re: [GTALUG] BASH on Android OS

[Scott Elcomb via talk]

Consider this another vote for Termux.  I have not tried starting
anything on boot but termux-boot looks like what you'll want

 via



"When developing (or packaging), note that this app needs to be signed
with the same key as the main Termux app in order to have the
permission to execute scripts."

I'm not sure about how to handle the signing (perhaps you'll need to
build your own copy of Termux) - may be worth asking via


On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 4:37 PM, William Porquet via talk
 wrote:
> You may want to look into Termux for Android. Free download, gives you a
> full Debian bash shell with capacity to use apt-get for installing extra
> packages.
>
> https://termux.com
>
> I'm not sure how to get Termux to load on login (that's more of an Android
> expert question), but once Termux does launch, you could easily add a
> startup script to Termux's bash (.login I think?).
>
> Anyone know how to make Android start a program automatically?
>
> Hope this helps,
> William
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> On 28 Oct 2017 11:42 p.m., "R360 Design INC via talk" 
> wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> Where can we find Bash scripting guide specifically for Android devices?
> Ideally we will create Bash scripts that automatically execute when we turn
> on the Android device.
>
>
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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting questions

[Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk]

Many awesome tips posted to this thread !!

The one about the two-phase TTL change (not included in this reply) has been 
added to my DNS bag of tricks.

* * *
* * *

My personal experience -- you can go through a lot of pain and anguish on the 
way to finding good Internet hosting service providers. I used to say the 
Internet is a jungle, but really, it's more like a sewer.

One observation: web hosting services can very significantly in the market they 
are addressing. For example, I currently maintain accounts with two (2) hosting 
providers:

www.siteground.com (SG) -- For general email and website hosting and website 
building tools (I'm NOT a power website builder), I use SG for hosting: 1. my 
email (POP3 inbox, and SMTP), 2. a few (home brewed) web pages, and 3. a few 
FTP accounts for exchanging files. I pay SG annually US $323.40 (no tax 
collected). May strike some people as expensive, but for me, rock-solid 
reliability (especially for email hosting !!) and excellent technical support 
are prime. SG does have less expensive plans. Any hosting service can have an 
outage, but so far SG has been great for reliability. Also I love cPanel for 
admin work.

www.elastichosts.com (EH) -- For working more closely to the "metal" of hosting 
service hardware, I use EH QEMU / KVM virtual machines. I can run more VMs, but 
presently I have two (2) VMs: 1. stock debian Linux for hosting a home brew 
website with transactions and a database, currently under development (not yet 
online), 2. cool DragonFlyBSD (dfly) flavour of Unix, with its native HAMMER1 
(soon to go to HAMMER2) filesystem. The idea is to eventually migrate the 
website (not yet online) from the Linux VM to the more performant (in theory:) 
dfly VM, to squeeze more value from hosting fees. I pay EH annually US $541.60 
(plus 13% tax collected) (discounted @ 12 months hosting for the price of 10). 
Again, may strike some people as expensive, but for me, rock-solid reliability 
and excellent technical support are prime. Haven't done much work with the EH 
VMs lately, but every time I check in, they just start and run. EH has many 
server sites, my stuff runs on EH servers in Toronto.

Steve 

- Original Message - 
  From: Don Tai via talk 
  To: o1bigtenor 
  Cc: GTALUG Talk 
  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting questions


  I would also council to separate your domains from your hosting provider. If 
you have a dispute with your hosting provider you should be able to easily 
switch hosts. You cannot do this if your domains and hosting are from the same 
source. It is like separating your email address from your internet provider. 
Maybe you are lucky and the host provider has farmed this out to a domain names 
company? Of provided a domain name for free (transfer after one year)?


  Bots will try to hack into your web site, and if you have business stuff 
there that is a bonus for them. A clear separation between the internet and 
your internal network is always a good idea.


  Whatever you can do at home you should be able to set up on your host 
provider in a test environment. The host should be able to provide a linux 
session, just like at home.


  Take nothing for granted when looking for a host provider. If it does not say 
backups and restores are available and free, then it is not provided. If not 
sure, then ask.


  Web sites are very easy to put up and maintain, depending on the package you 
wish to use. Of course having less money means having to learn more.


  Don


  On 30 October 2017 at 07:39, o1bigtenor  wrote:

Greetings



On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Don Tai  wrote:

  Web hosting can be purchased on the occasional sale, such as Black 
Friday, so renewal costs can be much higher. I always compare renewal costs and 
not the initial loss leader signup cost. The 2.7 times higher hosting costs may 
be valid, depending on the hosting services provided. Moe importantly, what did 
you buy? Some hosts don't even provide on demand backup, and some hosts will 
charge you for a restore. Some hosts don't provide SSH. Shared services or a 
dedicated IP? Reputation, which is very important?


I am getting an education out of this for sure.

What was purchased was 2 domains and a 3 year small business hosting 
package at hostpapa.

I has become quite clear that what I got was something like buying a car. 

Didn't specify that I wanted a steering wheel - - - so I need to add this.

The website builder program - - I didn't use it in the first year - - - its 
now an extra fee.

Sorry - - - in setting up a complicated small business there are a mountain 
of things to be done and the website was/is on the list, its just that money is 
quite short and time keeps disappearing and so things get done when they do.

Its also frustrating when you sign up for x and the renewal is quite a 
large increase. 

[GTALUG] please unsubscribe me

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On 2017-10-30 12:17, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:

> On 10/30/2017 08:18 AM, Don Tai via talk wrote: 
> 
>> I would also council to separate your domains from your hosting provider. If 
>> you have a dispute with your hosting provider you should be able to easily 
>> switch hosts. You cannot do this if your domains and hosting are from the 
>> same source. It is like separating your email address from your internet 
>> provider. Maybe you are lucky and the host provider has farmed this out to a 
>> domain names company? Of provided a domain name for free (transfer after one 
>> year)?
> I would agree with this. You should own your own domain and have it 
> registered with a registrar who is not related to the hosting company your 
> using.
> 
> I have seen lots of problems when companies don't own their domain and some 
> form of billing dispute comes up.
> The domain is held for ransom  and often quite effectively.
> 
> Many registrars include in their basic services a simple DNS hosting 
> capability so that you can avoid having to run your own DNS server with the 
> attacks and patches that come with bind.
> 
>> Bots will try to hack into your web site, and if you have business stuff 
>> there that is a bonus for them. A clear separation between the internet and 
>> your internal network is always a good idea.
>> 
>> Whatever you can do at home you should be able to set up on your host 
>> provider in a test environment. The host should be able to provide a linux 
>> session, just like at home.
>> 
>> Take nothing for granted when looking for a host provider. If it does not 
>> say backups and restores are available and free, then it is not provided. If 
>> not sure, then ask.
>> 
>> Web sites are very easy to put up and maintain, depending on the package you 
>> wish to use. Of course having less money means having to learn more.
>> 
>> Don
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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting questions

[Alvin Starr via talk]

On 10/30/2017 08:18 AM, Don Tai via talk wrote:
I would also council to separate your domains from your hosting 
provider. If you have a dispute with your hosting provider you should 
be able to easily switch hosts. You cannot do this if your domains and 
hosting are from the same source. It is like separating your email 
address from your internet provider. Maybe you are lucky and the host 
provider has farmed this out to a domain names company? Of provided a 
domain name for free (transfer after one year)?
I would agree with this. You should own your own domain and have it 
registered with a registrar who is not related to the hosting company 
your using.


I have seen lots of problems when companies don't own their domain and 
some form of billing dispute comes up.

The domain is held for ransom  and often quite effectively.

Many registrars include in their basic services a simple DNS hosting 
capability so that you can avoid having to run your own DNS server with 
the attacks and patches that come with bind.





Bots will try to hack into your web site, and if you have business 
stuff there that is a bonus for them. A clear separation between the 
internet and your internal network is always a good idea.


Whatever you can do at home you should be able to set up on your host 
provider in a test environment. The host should be able to provide a 
linux session, just like at home.


Take nothing for granted when looking for a host provider. If it does 
not say backups and restores are available and free, then it is not 
provided. If not sure, then ask.


Web sites are very easy to put up and maintain, depending on the 
package you wish to use. Of course having less money means having to 
learn more.


Don


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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting questions

[Don Tai via talk]

Web hosting can be purchased on the occasional sale, such as Black Friday,
so renewal costs can be much higher. I always compare renewal costs and not
the initial loss leader signup cost. The 2.7 times higher hosting costs may
be valid, depending on the hosting services provided. Moe importantly, what
did you buy? Some hosts don't even provide on demand backup, and some hosts
will charge you for a restore. Some hosts don't provide SSH. Shared
services or a dedicated IP? Reputation, which is very important?

I would not recommend self-hosting at home. There are too many rogue bots
roaming around the world, and the possibility of hacking is near certain.
Yes, if you keep up with all the updates and monitor your server carefully
you can be ok, but I know that my hosting provider had to purchase
additional software just to deal with DDOS attacks and other intrusions.
Unless you want to take on the sys admin role, for me the hosting costs are
well worthwhile. If you are with the right host, your site becomes more
popular and you run out of ram it should be easy to upgrade.

Personally I'd rather concentrate on the web site, SEO and social media
than futz with Apache settings, so would rather be on a host provider. The
hosting costs can be pretty small, depending on what you purchase.

Don

On 30 October 2017 at 06:39, o1bigtenor via talk  wrote:

> Greetings
>
> I bought web hosting and registered 2 domains with a company. The domains
> need to be renewed annually but the hosting is on a three year rotation.
> The renewal is going to be about 2.7 x the original hosting contract.
>
> Is this normal?
> What do you of those that have a personal or small business website do - -
> - move before renewal - - - or ?
>
> I have managed to setup a webserver here at home. I tried to use one of my
> domains - - - that doesn't work because dns resolves to my host and not
> here. Any suggestions on what and/or how to setup things to experiment here
> before I go live with something?
> (I want to try things like horde's webmail groupware (Have it installed
> locally already) and other tools in the running of the business.)
>
> TIA
>
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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting questions

[Don Tai via talk]

I would also council to separate your domains from your hosting provider.
If you have a dispute with your hosting provider you should be able to
easily switch hosts. You cannot do this if your domains and hosting are
from the same source. It is like separating your email address from your
internet provider. Maybe you are lucky and the host provider has farmed
this out to a domain names company? Of provided a domain name for free
(transfer after one year)?

Bots will try to hack into your web site, and if you have business stuff
there that is a bonus for them. A clear separation between the internet and
your internal network is always a good idea.

Whatever you can do at home you should be able to set up on your host
provider in a test environment. The host should be able to provide a linux
session, just like at home.

Take nothing for granted when looking for a host provider. If it does not
say backups and restores are available and free, then it is not provided.
If not sure, then ask.

Web sites are very easy to put up and maintain, depending on the package
you wish to use. Of course having less money means having to learn more.

Don

On 30 October 2017 at 07:39, o1bigtenor  wrote:

> Greetings
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Don Tai  wrote:
>
>> Web hosting can be purchased on the occasional sale, such as Black
>> Friday, so renewal costs can be much higher. I always compare renewal costs
>> and not the initial loss leader signup cost. The 2.7 times higher hosting
>> costs may be valid, depending on the hosting services provided. Moe
>> importantly, what did you buy? Some hosts don't even provide on demand
>> backup, and some hosts will charge you for a restore. Some hosts don't
>> provide SSH. Shared services or a dedicated IP? Reputation, which is very
>> important?
>>
>
> I am getting an education out of this for sure.
> What was purchased was 2 domains and a 3 year small business hosting
> package at hostpapa.
> I has become quite clear that what I got was something like buying a car.
> Didn't specify that I wanted a steering wheel - - - so I need to add this.
> The website builder program - - I didn't use it in the first year - - -
> its now an extra fee.
> Sorry - - - in setting up a complicated small business there are a
> mountain of things to be done and the website was/is on the list, its just
> that money is quite short and time keeps disappearing and so things get
> done when they do.
> Its also frustrating when you sign up for x and the renewal is quite a
> large increase. One would think that the hosting companies might not want
> you to move.
>
>>
>> I would not recommend self-hosting at home. There are too many rogue bots
>> roaming around the world, and the possibility of hacking is near certain.
>> Yes, if you keep up with all the updates and monitor your server carefully
>> you can be ok, but I know that my hosting provider had to purchase
>> additional software just to deal with DDOS attacks and other intrusions.
>> Unless you want to take on the sys admin role, for me the hosting costs are
>> well worthwhile. If you are with the right host, your site becomes more
>> popular and you run out of ram it should be easy to upgrade.
>>
>> Personally I'd rather concentrate on the web site, SEO and social media
>> than futz with Apache settings, so would rather be on a host provider. The
>> hosting costs can be pretty small, depending on what you purchase.
>>
>
> That was the idea.
> My server here is for managing my business - - - not for managing my
> website - - - that's what I wanted hosting for.
> The problem is that I want to experiment on the server here (set up
> various services at very least) and somehow I can't use these domains that
> I have paid for.
>
> Likely its a case of me wanting too much and not knowing enough.
> I can change the not knowing enough but haven't been able to find
> information.
> My hosting company is quite good at offering a lot of information with
> much of it being 'non-useful'.
>
> Thanking you for your consideration!!
>
> Dee
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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting questions

[o1bigtenor via talk]

Greetings

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Don Tai  wrote:

> Web hosting can be purchased on the occasional sale, such as Black Friday,
> so renewal costs can be much higher. I always compare renewal costs and not
> the initial loss leader signup cost. The 2.7 times higher hosting costs may
> be valid, depending on the hosting services provided. Moe importantly, what
> did you buy? Some hosts don't even provide on demand backup, and some hosts
> will charge you for a restore. Some hosts don't provide SSH. Shared
> services or a dedicated IP? Reputation, which is very important?
>

I am getting an education out of this for sure.
What was purchased was 2 domains and a 3 year small business hosting
package at hostpapa.
I has become quite clear that what I got was something like buying a car.
Didn't specify that I wanted a steering wheel - - - so I need to add this.
The website builder program - - I didn't use it in the first year - - - its
now an extra fee.
Sorry - - - in setting up a complicated small business there are a mountain
of things to be done and the website was/is on the list, its just that
money is quite short and time keeps disappearing and so things get done
when they do.
Its also frustrating when you sign up for x and the renewal is quite a
large increase. One would think that the hosting companies might not want
you to move.

>
> I would not recommend self-hosting at home. There are too many rogue bots
> roaming around the world, and the possibility of hacking is near certain.
> Yes, if you keep up with all the updates and monitor your server carefully
> you can be ok, but I know that my hosting provider had to purchase
> additional software just to deal with DDOS attacks and other intrusions.
> Unless you want to take on the sys admin role, for me the hosting costs are
> well worthwhile. If you are with the right host, your site becomes more
> popular and you run out of ram it should be easy to upgrade.
>
> Personally I'd rather concentrate on the web site, SEO and social media
> than futz with Apache settings, so would rather be on a host provider. The
> hosting costs can be pretty small, depending on what you purchase.
>

That was the idea.
My server here is for managing my business - - - not for managing my
website - - - that's what I wanted hosting for.
The problem is that I want to experiment on the server here (set up various
services at very least) and somehow I can't use these domains that I have
paid for.

Likely its a case of me wanting too much and not knowing enough.
I can change the not knowing enough but haven't been able to find
information.
My hosting company is quite good at offering a lot of information with much
of it being 'non-useful'.

Thanking you for your consideration!!

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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting questions

[o1bigtenor via talk]

Greetings

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:54 AM, Mauro Souza  wrote:

> I've seen renew contracts getting cheaper, not the other way. Moore's law
> at work. If your provider is asking for more, change the provider.
>
> Copy all content from one site to the other, put an entry on /etc/hosts
> for your domain, pointing to the new IP, and test everything.
>

I haven't developed anything yet on the hosted web sites. Have started work
on some stuff here at home
Sort of thought that this wasn't perhaps the best solution (to stay at the
same hosting firm).

>
>
> Before the move, change the TTL for your domains for a small interval
> (around 5 minutes). One of two days later,  when the DNS changes had
> propagated and your tests passed, change the DNS records pointing to the
> new IP and restore the TTL to the old value.
>
> Why change the TTL twice? The first time is to tell every DNS server,
> cache and client that a change is imminent. When you do the change, very
> few clients will have the old IP on cache, as the record expires fast. The
> second change is to bring things back to normal.
>

Thank you for the advice!!!

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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting questions

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On 10/30/2017 06:39 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
> I have managed to setup a webserver here at home. I tried to use one
> of my domains - - - that doesn't work because dns resolves to my host
> and not here. Any suggestions on what and/or how to setup things to
> experiment here before I go live with something?

Do you have control of the DNS entries?  If you do, just change the A &
 records to reflect the new IP address(es).  If you don't, you may
have to move your domains to another DNS provider.

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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting questions

[ac via talk]

On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 05:39:32 -0500
o1bigtenor via talk  wrote:
> Greetings
> I bought web hosting and registered 2 domains with a company. The
> domains need to be renewed annually but the hosting is on a three
> year rotation. The renewal is going to be about 2.7 x the original
> hosting contract.
> Is this normal?
> What do you of those that have a personal or small business website
> do - -
> - move before renewal - - - or ?
> I have managed to setup a webserver here at home. I tried to use one
> of my domains - - - that doesn't work because dns resolves to my host
> and not here. Any suggestions on what and/or how to setup things to
> experiment here before I go live with something?
> (I want to try things like horde's webmail groupware (Have it
> installed locally already) and other tools in the running of the
> business.)
> 
webserver at home sounds fine... I can help you with your dns if you like (free 
of course :) ) 

domains - depends on the domain, like .com is about us$9 or us$9.5 per year) 

mail me off list if you like and i will help you :)

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Re: [GTALUG] Web hosting questions

[Mauro Souza via talk]

I've seen renew contracts getting cheaper, not the other way. Moore's law
at work. If your provider is asking for more, change the provider.

Copy all content from one site to the other, put an entry on /etc/hosts for
your domain, pointing to the new IP, and test everything.

Before the move, change the TTL for your domains for a small interval
(around 5 minutes). One of two days later,  when the DNS changes had
propagated and your tests passed, change the DNS records pointing to the
new IP and restore the TTL to the old value.

Why change the TTL twice? The first time is to tell every DNS server, cache
and client that a change is imminent. When you do the change, very few
clients will have the old IP on cache, as the record expires fast. The
second change is to bring things back to normal.

On Oct 30, 2017 08:39, "o1bigtenor via talk"  wrote:

Greetings

I bought web hosting and registered 2 domains with a company. The domains
need to be renewed annually but the hosting is on a three year rotation.
The renewal is going to be about 2.7 x the original hosting contract.

Is this normal?
What do you of those that have a personal or small business website do - -
- move before renewal - - - or ?

I have managed to setup a webserver here at home. I tried to use one of my
domains - - - that doesn't work because dns resolves to my host and not
here. Any suggestions on what and/or how to setup things to experiment here
before I go live with something?
(I want to try things like horde's webmail groupware (Have it installed
locally already) and other tools in the running of the business.)

TIA

Dee

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[GTALUG] Web hosting questions

[o1bigtenor via talk]

Greetings

I bought web hosting and registered 2 domains with a company. The domains
need to be renewed annually but the hosting is on a three year rotation.
The renewal is going to be about 2.7 x the original hosting contract.

Is this normal?
What do you of those that have a personal or small business website do - -
- move before renewal - - - or ?

I have managed to setup a webserver here at home. I tried to use one of my
domains - - - that doesn't work because dns resolves to my host and not
here. Any suggestions on what and/or how to setup things to experiment here
before I go live with something?
(I want to try things like horde's webmail groupware (Have it installed
locally already) and other tools in the running of the business.)

TIA

Dee
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