Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 14:13:58 -0500 Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > Way too many phones are glued together instead of using screws these days. > Incredibly annoying given often you can buy a new screen or battery for > a decent price, but the work to actually replace it is insane. Lennart, One of the basic rules of Design For Manufacture and Assembly is that you should not use screws. The preferred way is for everything to snap together. Glue also is bad since there are workmanship and process control issues. -- Howard Gibson hgib...@eol.ca jhowardgib...@gmail.com http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"
On 03/05/2019 12:23 PM, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 07:16:52PM -0500, Don Tai via talk wrote: >> who repairs anything these days? I don't know anyone else, besides myself >> that is curious enough to even open the case. Or use a multimeter. Or >> sewing machine. Repair is a fringe, hippie thing now. > Is that because no one wants to or because no one can anymore? > I have been a technician for much of my career. That means I repair things. On a personal level, I repaired the circulation pump in my heating system a few weeks ago. Now, try replacing a battery on an iPhone and see how "easy" it is. I replaced the battery on my Nexus 5 phone, a couple of years ago. While I had no problem doing it, an average consumer wouldn't be able to. There was also something about some Apple devices that will brick, if repaired with unauthorized parts. This is the sort of thing this bill would stop. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"
On Tue, Mar 05, 2019 at 01:10:30PM -0500, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > A while back I took my ASUS phone to ASUS to see about repair. > > Repairing the phone was going to cost me about 2/3 the cost of a new ASUS > phone. Way too many phones are glued together instead of using screws these days. Incredibly annoying given often you can buy a new screen or battery for a decent price, but the work to actually replace it is insane. > Not like the repair of a 20,000 car where the repair cost runs from a few > hundred to a few thousand. > > I think the right of repair is a good idea but I am not sure now many highly > integrated products are amenable to cost effective repair. Well on my thinkpad I can swap out a broken keyboard in under 5 minutes and a new keyboard costs something like $40. The hardware maintainance manual is posted online complete with replacement part numbers. A macbook pro with a broken keyboard is more like a $500 repair because the keyboard is part of the top case and the battery is glued to the top case. That is stupid. Keyboards break. Batteries wear out. Both should be designed to be replaced in a reasonable way. And of course Apple hates anyone that tries to work around that to find a cheap way to fix it anyhow. You can probably guess which one I buy. -- Len Sorensen --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"
That's another thing that right to repair advocates are talking about. Devices need to be designed to be repairable, which would make them a bit bigger and a bit more expensive and this is the hardest part of right to repair advocacy -- where government should force the corporations to make devices more repairable. Apple has been especially bad in the last 5 years or so with their laptops -- Every time I contemplate getting one, they get worse. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/zmd9a5/tim-cook-to-investors-people-bought-fewer-new-iphones-because-they-repaired-their-old-ones On 2019-03-05 1:10 p.m., Alvin Starr via talk wrote: A while back I took my ASUS phone to ASUS to see about repair. Repairing the phone was going to cost me about 2/3 the cost of a new ASUS phone. Not like the repair of a 20,000 car where the repair cost runs from a few hundred to a few thousand. I think the right of repair is a good idea but I am not sure now many highly integrated products are amenable to cost effective repair. On 3/5/19 12:23 PM, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 07:16:52PM -0500, Don Tai via talk wrote: who repairs anything these days? I don't know anyone else, besides myself that is curious enough to even open the case. Or use a multimeter. Or sewing machine. Repair is a fringe, hippie thing now. Is that because no one wants to or because no one can anymore? --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"
A while back I took my ASUS phone to ASUS to see about repair. Repairing the phone was going to cost me about 2/3 the cost of a new ASUS phone. Not like the repair of a 20,000 car where the repair cost runs from a few hundred to a few thousand. I think the right of repair is a good idea but I am not sure now many highly integrated products are amenable to cost effective repair. On 3/5/19 12:23 PM, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 07:16:52PM -0500, Don Tai via talk wrote: who repairs anything these days? I don't know anyone else, besides myself that is curious enough to even open the case. Or use a multimeter. Or sewing machine. Repair is a fringe, hippie thing now. Is that because no one wants to or because no one can anymore? -- Alvin Starr || land: (905)513-7688 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 al...@netvel.net || --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"
On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 07:16:52PM -0500, Don Tai via talk wrote: > who repairs anything these days? I don't know anyone else, besides myself > that is curious enough to even open the case. Or use a multimeter. Or > sewing machine. Repair is a fringe, hippie thing now. Is that because no one wants to or because no one can anymore? -- Len Sorensen --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 7:17 PM Don Tai via talk wrote: > who repairs anything these days? > "Right to repair" is also (or perhaps, more) targeted towards 3rd party repair shops, allowing them access to the parts, tools and documents required to fix your device, giving you the ability to not have to rely on a factory or authorised repair facility. -- Scott > --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
