Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-18 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-07-18 02:04 PM, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: >> A very interesting machine. >> Wonder why the company replaced it? > No longer on warranty is my guess. Some companies want to be able to > have their machines serviced under warranty if they break. Many companies lease for a fixed

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-18 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 07:15:29AM -0500, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > For kicked thought I'd see what the model is trading for. > New - - - $400 usd > Used - - - $150 to 225 (some even in that range CAN $) > a replacement battery at $25 to 35 USD. > > A very interesting machine. > Wonder why

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-18 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 04:19:34PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > That is "b" stock, whatever that means. > > There are currently 15 similar ones at Bauer for $275 plus shipping. > "minor marks on screen". If I were interested, I'd phone them and ask > how bad they are. (I have

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-18 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 8:12 PM Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: > > I know that Alex has picked out his machine, but it does amaze me how > slowly computers age now. A friend gave me an HP EliteBook Folio 9480m > that had been declared >

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-17 Thread Stewart C. Russell via talk
I know that Alex has picked out his machine, but it does amaze me how slowly computers age now. A friend gave me an HP EliteBook Folio 9480m that had been declared surplus by his employer. With 16 GB RAM and an i7-4600U processor, it's still pretty

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-17 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: William Park via talk | There is too much talking on this list, and not enough action. I'm not sure what "action" means on a mailing list. | Consider | Lenovo T450 for $330: | | I bought one last year, better spec at

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-17 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:16:23PM -0400, William Park via talk wrote: > There is too much talking on this list, and not enough action. Consider > Lenovo T450 for $330: > > I bought one last year, better spec at lower price. I

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-17 Thread Alex Beamish via talk
Thanks William. Just placed my order. And thanks to everyone for their feedback! I appreciate it. Alex On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:27 PM William Park via talk wrote: > There is too much talking on this list, and not enough action. Consider > Lenovo T450 for $330: >

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-16 Thread William Park via talk
There is too much talking on this list, and not enough action. Consider Lenovo T450 for $330: I bought one last year, better spec at lower price. I think they made mistake when converting US$ to CAN$. -- William Park On Sun,

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Dave Collier-Brown via talk
On 2019-07-15 2:21 p.m., Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 06:08:35PM +, Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote: >> At Hugh's suggestion, I bought a T440 a while ago. It came with all the >> old connectors (eg, VGA) and the new ones (mini hdmi) and socketed >> memory, so I could

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread nick via talk
On 2019-07-15 1:57 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > | From: Alex Beamish via talk > > | On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:09 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk < > | talk@gtalug.org> wrote: > > | It worked fine at the June meeting of the Perlmongers, sharing a Google > | Hangouts session. The

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 06:08:35PM +, Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote: > At Hugh's suggestion, I bought a T440 a while ago. It came with all the > old connectors (eg, VGA) and the new ones (mini hdmi) and socketed > memory, so I could order it with 32GB and not have to futz with anything. >

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 01:42:34PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:06:51AM -0400, Alex Beamish via talk wrote: > > It worked fine at the June meeting of the Perlmongers, sharing a Google > > Hangouts session. The next day, it wouldn't boot -- couldn't even get

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Dave Collier-Brown via talk
On 2019-07-15 12:41 p.m., Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > What my wife's T430 has gone through is nuts while still working. > > Yesterday the (almost) 2 year old was standing on it (it was closed). > Still working, although it appears the chasis may be slightly bent now. > I believe he is

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Alex Beamish via talk | On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:09 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk < | talk@gtalug.org> wrote: | It worked fine at the June meeting of the Perlmongers, sharing a Google | Hangouts session. The next day, it wouldn't boot -- couldn't even get it to | POST. Usually it is

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:06:51AM -0400, Alex Beamish via talk wrote: > It worked fine at the June meeting of the Perlmongers, sharing a Google > Hangouts session. The next day, it wouldn't boot -- couldn't even get it to > POST. Hard to say. My wife did have her T430 stop turning on a few

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-07-15 12:35 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Of course [TW]x40 thinkpads are to be avoided since they don't have > buttons for the trackpoint but rely on using the trackpad for that. > Totally stupid and the design was reversed on the [TW]x50 and higher > models (and the W541 too). One

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:56:41AM -0400, Don Tai via talk wrote: > If you wish for a reliable laptop, then I also recommend a Lenovo Thinkpad, > which I have been running Ubuntu for a long time. > > That said, this does not extend to all Lenovos. Their consumer line is not > as robust. A

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:08:35AM -0400, James Knott via talk wrote: > They also come with a "TrackPoint".  I will not buy a notebook computer > without one, as I hate those touch pads.  My E520 came with both, but > I've disabled the TrackPad. I discovered a few years ago that Dell's copy of

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:04:14AM -0400, Giles Orr via talk wrote: > My impression, from both this list and years of looking at reviews to buy > laptops for myself, is that if you want durability you should be looking at > either Asus or Lenovo Thinkpads (as Don Tai said: not Lenovo's consumer >

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Mike Kallies via talk
On 2019-07-15 8:38 a.m., James Knott via talk wrote: On 2019-07-14 11:18 PM, Alex Beamish via talk wrote: Refurbished is OK, and pre-loaded with Linux is also fine. Budget is perhaps $600-$800. Lenovo ThinkPads tend to be good.  I have an E520. For Thinkpads, even the Thinkpad line

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Val Kulkov via talk
On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 at 01:47, ac via talk wrote: > Had bad experience with Dell (battery blew up and main boards burned > out), but I have had (and have) HP laptops, they work fantastic with > Linux. > Not all HP laptops work well with Linux. I have an HP Spectre Pro X360 G1 ultrabook running

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-07-15 11:04 AM, Giles Orr via talk wrote: > My impression, from both this list and years of looking at reviews to > buy laptops for myself, is that if you want durability you should be > looking at either Asus or Lenovo Thinkpads (as Don Tai said: not > Lenovo's consumer models, just

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Alex Beamish via talk
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:09 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk < talk@gtalug.org> wrote: > > | From: Alex Beamish via talk > > | My Windows 10 laptop died pretty close to its fifth birthday, so I'm > | planning on replacing it with a Linux laptop. > > I gave a lightning talk to GTALUG on how I

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-07-15 10:56 AM, Don Tai via talk wrote: > If you wish for a reliable laptop, then I also recommend a Lenovo > Thinkpad, which I have been running Ubuntu for a long time. > > That said, this does not extend to all Lenovos. Their consumer line is > not as robust. A consumer Lenovo came to me

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Giles Orr via talk
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 23:18, Alex Beamish via talk wrote: > Greetings, > > My Windows 10 laptop died pretty close to its fifth birthday, so I'm > planning on replacing it with a Linux laptop. I've used it for conference > calls (hosting the Toronto Perlmongers meeings), and some light Libre >

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Don Tai via talk
If you wish for a reliable laptop, then I also recommend a Lenovo Thinkpad, which I have been running Ubuntu for a long time. That said, this does not extend to all Lenovos. Their consumer line is not as robust. A consumer Lenovo came to me recently, the screen was so flimsy and unsupported, no

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 08:38:37AM -0400, James Knott via talk wrote: > Lenovo ThinkPads tend to be good.  I have an E520. Certainly what I am sticking with too. -- Len Sorensen --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Alex Beamish via talk | My Windows 10 laptop died pretty close to its fifth birthday, so I'm | planning on replacing it with a Linux laptop. I gave a lightning talk to GTALUG on how I ideosyncratically choose a notebook. Note the late

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-15 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2019-07-14 11:18 PM, Alex Beamish via talk wrote: > Refurbished is OK, and pre-loaded with Linux is also fine. Budget is > perhaps $600-$800. > Lenovo ThinkPads tend to be good.  I have an E520. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-14 Thread ac via talk
On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 00:26:58 -0400 Val Kulkov via talk wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 23:18, Alex Beamish via talk > wrote: > > Greetings, > > My Windows 10 laptop died pretty close to its fifth birthday, so I'm > > planning on replacing it with a Linux laptop. I've used it for > > conference

Re: [GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-14 Thread Val Kulkov via talk
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 23:18, Alex Beamish via talk wrote: > Greetings, > > My Windows 10 laptop died pretty close to its fifth birthday, so I'm > planning on replacing it with a Linux laptop. I've used it for conference > calls (hosting the Toronto Perlmongers meeings), and some light Libre >

[GTALUG] Recommendations for useful laptop suitable for Ubuntu

2019-07-14 Thread Alex Beamish via talk
Greetings, My Windows 10 laptop died pretty close to its fifth birthday, so I'm planning on replacing it with a Linux laptop. I've used it for conference calls (hosting the Toronto Perlmongers meeings), and some light Libre Office work, so I need something better than a Bare Bones laptop, but not