Re: [GTALUG] desktops [was Default VNC in GNOME?]

2022-06-11 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 10:19 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
 wrote:
>
> This is an interesting thread.  It is great to hear what works for other
> people.

Ditto!
>
> | From: Lennart Sorensen via talk 
>
> | And given all I want a linux desktop to do is display windows, let me
> | minimize, maximize and resize the windows in a normal way, and be able
> | to launch programs by hitting alt+f2 and typing the name, I tend to just
> | stick with xfce which is nice and lightweight.  I don't want a file
> | manager of any kind nor do I care to have menus for launching things. :)
>
> I like Gnome, ignoring any load it adds to my machine.
>
> GNOME has a nicely sparse desktop.  Good.
>
> If I wish to run a GUI program, I just type the Windows key and start
> typing the name.  By the time I'm a few characters in, it shows me that it
> knows what I meant and I can type ENTER to start it.  Surely easier than
> ALT-F2 (I almost never type function keys -- too far from the home row).
>
> I can cycle between GUI programs that are running using Windows-TAB.
>
I have a cleaner and more useful solution - - - - more screen real estate!
Then you have your program up and you just activate the program do your stuff
and do what you wish with the results.


> On the surface, GNOME is simple.  Underneath is a bit of a mystery to me.
> It sure seems complicated. That makes me a little uncomfortable, but only
> when something doesn't work or doesn't work the way I expect.
>
I found that KDE seemed to fit my thinking better that Gnome did - - -
maybe this is a very personal right - left brain balance kind of thing - -
- - dunno what drives it.

> I really like that Fedora comes out of the box in a pretty much
> usable state.  I change a very few things.  I just don't waste
> any effort creating the perfect desktop environment.

I spend some time on this.
Have north of 24 desktops and designate them for discrete functions.
That means that I only need to go to a specific desktop and the tools
I generally use are waiting for me - - - ready to use.
>
> Conceptually, I dislike large complex code bodies.  But I feel stuck
> with them.
> - web browsers
> - video drivers
> - kernels
> - desktop environments
> - spreadsheets and word-processors
> - database systems
>

For myself - - - I'm starting to wonder if there is a way to limit things like
web browsers - - - - and if its time to push back at their developers.
Seems like the crazier the ideas the faster they get implemented and
that those ideas are more to benefit the less than ethical or for more
'eye candy' (I'm very tired of stupid emoticon kiknd of things).

> I have a friend that turned his back on this and uses Plan 9.  I don't
> have the energy for the simple life.
>
I have too many things to do already without adding learning something
this 'unusual'.

> I suspect Lennart is trying to only use things that he understands.
> I've mostly given up that requirement.
>

Hm - - - - does anyone really understand any of the 7 items
you listed in their totality? (Sections maybe but the entire environment - - -
doubt it.)

Interesting topic - - - hopefully I'm not bending it too far!

Regards
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[GTALUG] desktops [was Default VNC in GNOME?]

2022-06-11 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
This is an interesting thread.  It is great to hear what works for other 
people.

| From: Lennart Sorensen via talk 

| And given all I want a linux desktop to do is display windows, let me
| minimize, maximize and resize the windows in a normal way, and be able
| to launch programs by hitting alt+f2 and typing the name, I tend to just
| stick with xfce which is nice and lightweight.  I don't want a file
| manager of any kind nor do I care to have menus for launching things. :)

I like Gnome, ignoring any load it adds to my machine.

GNOME has a nicely sparse desktop.  Good.

If I wish to run a GUI program, I just type the Windows key and start 
typing the name.  By the time I'm a few characters in, it shows me that it 
knows what I meant and I can type ENTER to start it.  Surely easier than 
ALT-F2 (I almost never type function keys -- too far from the home row).

I can cycle between GUI programs that are running using Windows-TAB.

I have started to use the file manager (GNOME Files, a Nautilus
descendent) in the last couple of years.  I've recently incorporated
its search capability into my workflow and find it more convenient
than locate(1) or especially find(1).

As far as the load GNOME adds to my machine: it seems to be in the noise.
Even on my netbooks.  Mind you, GNOME and Windows are miserable when
loaded on a hard disk.

On the surface, GNOME is simple.  Underneath is a bit of a mystery to me. 
It sure seems complicated. That makes me a little uncomfortable, but only 
when something doesn't work or doesn't work the way I expect.

I really like that Fedora comes out of the box in a pretty much
usable state.  I change a very few things.  I just don't waste
any effort creating the perfect desktop environment.

Conceptually, I dislike large complex code bodies.  But I feel stuck
with them.
- web browsers
- video drivers
- kernels
- desktop environments
- spreadsheets and word-processors
- database systems

I have a friend that turned his back on this and uses Plan 9.  I don't
have the energy for the simple life.

I suspect Lennart is trying to only use things that he understands.
I've mostly given up that requirement.
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