Re: [nyphp-talk] [OT?] inconsistent html email display

2008-04-18 Thread BAS
David Mintz wrote: I'm not styling with class attributes, but I am linking to my own stylesheet via fully qualified URL -- is that a crime or something? Hi David, I'll second what John said--yes, external stylesheets are evil and will give you nothing but grief in HTML emails. CSS support

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Steve Manes
Mark Armendariz wrote: As for large projects. While I agree that you won't easily find a big gig when solo - it is very possible. Every large gig I get usually involves being invited to a team put together by one of my clients. So, sure big gigs can be difficult, but they are absolutely poss

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Mark Armendariz
Sorry to enter the conversation so late (had a minor outgoing email issue with the list)... After 8 years of working from this desk in the windowed corner of my Brooklyn apartment, I couldn't disagree more with a lot of the sentiment in this thread. Like tedd, I never have to look for or ask

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-18 Thread Ajai Khattri
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Kristina Anderson wrote: > My question to you Urb: Would you consider me, a person with a non-CS > university degree (B.A.), and 10 years of actual paid experience, to > be "self taught" or merely "non traditionally formally educated"...? > It's true that the skills to be a

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-18 Thread Ajai Khattri
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Urb LeJeune wrote: > profession: "An occupation, such as law, medicine, or engineering, > that requires considerable training > and specialized study" So someone who has degrees in Computer Science has not undergone "specialized study"? -- Aj. _

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Jerry B. Altzman
on 2008-04-18 15:09 Kristina Anderson said the following: tedd, Like I said, I was (and am) 100% sure he was not talking about me!! Geez youse guys are dense. Hans and Kristina are the only ones among you who've actually *seen* me to know who I'd be referring to when I said "fat people". -

Re: [nyphp-talk] [OT?] inconsistent html email display

2008-04-18 Thread John Campbell
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:54 PM, David Mintz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not styling with class attributes, but I am linking to my own stylesheet > via fully qualified URL -- is that a crime or something? Yes, it is. All kinds of evilness could happen with an unvalidated external stylesheet.

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Kristina Anderson
tedd, Like I said, I was (and am) 100% sure he was not talking about me!! NO way would he go there. LOL!!! -- Kristina > At 12:41 PM -0400 4/18/08, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > >on 2008-04-18 12:31 tedd said the following: > >>At 12:03 PM -0400 4/18/08, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > >>>And fat people

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Kristina Anderson
Hey, I was 100% sure you were NOT talking about me :) LOL!! -- Kristina > on 2008-04-18 12:31 tedd said the following: > > At 12:03 PM -0400 4/18/08, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > >> And fat people should simply just not eat so much! It's just that simple! > > Hey, no reason to get personal ! :-)

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Keith Casey
Maybe IT people are devalued because when the bosses aren't looking, we're jacking around online on mailing lists? Food for thought... I'm one of the mods in the DCPHP community and I often get pinged by people looking to hire, make an entrance in the community, or just make their presence known f

Re: [nyphp-talk] [OT?] inconsistent html email display

2008-04-18 Thread David Mintz
I'm not styling with class attributes, but I am linking to my own stylesheet via fully qualified URL -- is that a crime or something? Anyway, the problematic snippet looks like this (sorry for the extreme boringness of the content): Interpreting Assignment Information Date and time Friday, April

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-18 Thread SyAD
I don't get the credits argument -- I think Urb was saying that Drexel counts their hours in a totally different way (btw, I'm the one who mentioned Drexel). As far as I know, there is no federal mandate to count hours in a certain way -- in other words, standardization is not mandated. Yo

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread tedd
At 12:41 PM -0400 4/18/08, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: on 2008-04-18 12:31 tedd said the following: At 12:03 PM -0400 4/18/08, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: And fat people should simply just not eat so much! It's just that simple! Hey, no reason to get personal ! :-) Ask Hans or Kristina who *they*

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread SyAD
Umm -- that was meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek ... In a message dated 4/18/2008 12:43:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Maybe I'm being jingoistic, but I really feel that there's an "umph" > that developers in the US have that isn't as readi

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Jerry B. Altzman
on 2008-04-18 12:31 tedd said the following: At 12:03 PM -0400 4/18/08, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: And fat people should simply just not eat so much! It's just that simple! Hey, no reason to get personal ! :-) Ask Hans or Kristina who *they* thought I had in mind. tedd //jbaltz -- jerry b.

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread David Krings
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I'm being jingoistic, but I really feel that there's an "umph" that developers in the US have that isn't as readily available elsewhere. Cue The Star Spangled Banner!! Which is why stuff gets sent to India, China, or now Russia. Or in my case Germany (how iro

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-18 Thread David Krings
Urb LeJeune wrote: You may be comparing apples and oranges. Some schools use quarter semesters which are 12 week semesters. The most common are 16 week semesters. So 150 quarter hours would be equivalent to 112 semester hours. You mentioned Drexal, I believe they use quarter h

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread tedd
At 12:03 PM -0400 4/18/08, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: And fat people should simply just not eat so much! It's just that simple! Hey, no reason to get personal ! :-) Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com __

Re: [nyphp-talk] [OT?] inconsistent html email display

2008-04-18 Thread csnyder
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM, David Mintz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had a user complain that the data column was empty on Yahoo! with IE 7. > She forwards the offending message to my own Yahoo, and it displays (in > Firefox 2). I wonder if Yahoo! is sending different stylesheets to IE an

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Jerry B. Altzman
on 2008-04-18 10:38 tedd said the following: Because, well, sometimes hard and fast specs aren't available, and working face to face with someone allows better communication. It's as simple and as profound as that. It may allow quicker communication, but that can be handled by telephone. Some

[nyphp-talk] [OT?] inconsistent html email display

2008-04-18 Thread David Mintz
Hey everybody My script builds and sends and HTML email using Zend_Mail. The resulting email shows up fine in some email clients but not others. On gmail and Thunderbird it's fine. On Yahoo! email it doesn't (for some browsers, apparently). The body contains a bi-columnar HTML table, as in label =

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread SyAD
I think there shouldn't be a general rule -- or maybe it's correlated with the size of the system and the level of specialization desired. I assume a lot of independents are catering to small and medium-sized businesses. Maybe it's apples and oranges. It's actually kind of nice that the var

RE: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Jason Scott
Good question :-) I actually have one full time - and very valuable - employee working completely from home, in FL nonetheless. I have a graphic designer working full time from Croatia. Both are important to the company, neither is part of a team. For the dev group - which is where my heart lie

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Brian D.
I agree with you about the WWD article, Jason, and I'm actually not a CIO or upper management. I telecommuted for a company out of state for a year, and then quit because I could see that it simply wasn't going to work out. I agree that you need some face-to-face time to iron out specs. However,

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread paul
-Original Message- From: Scott Trudeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Relevant article: "Why your boss doesn't want you to telework" - Web Worker Daily [http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/04/10/why-your-boss-doesnt-want-you-to-telework/] http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/04/10/why-your-boss-doesnt-want-y

RE: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Jason Scott
Written by a telecommuter...and complete crap As a real life CIO, and not the fictional "suit" manager - you know, the kind that "can't understand true technology" - please know that nothing at all mentioned in that article even comes close to the reasons I like my developers to be here. For t

RE: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread tedd
At 4:48 PM -0400 4/17/08, Jason Scott wrote: I am not against working from home, but I believe it works better as the exception, and not the rule, which is the complete opposite of what I'm hearing so far. The digital nature of the work is changing the work ethic. For the exception of discuss

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Scott Trudeau
Relevant article: "Why your boss doesn't want you to telework" - Web Worker Daily http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/04/10/why-your-boss-doesnt-want-you-to-telework/ On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:50 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe I'm being jingoistic, but I really feel that there's an "umph"

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread SyAD
Maybe I'm being jingoistic, but I really feel that there's an "umph" that developers in the US have that isn't as readily available elsewhere. Cue The Star Spangled Banner!! In a message dated 4/17/2008 4:50:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the upside, getting used

RE: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread Jason Scott
Suit types? Geek types? Windoze vs Mac? Discrimination? I think it is time for my involvement in this thread to end :-) Either that or my head is going to explode. Jason Scott | Chief Information Officer 233 Broadway, 21st Floor, New York, NY 10279 Ph: 212.509.5218 ext 226 | Fax: 866-797-0971

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread SyAD
Yeah, the IT culture is a lot different, and I guess business culture is still trying to fit IT into their standard model. It's too bad in a way -- the beauty of not working in a 9-5 workplace is that independents are often available for a lot more hours. I'm basically available from 9am to

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread tedd
on 2008-04-17 15:46 Tim Lieberman said the following: Why people insist on on-site work is a bit beyond me. If you're willing Because, well, sometimes hard and fast specs aren't available, and working face to face with someone allows better communication. It's as simple and as profound as th

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-18 Thread Urb LeJeune
And that is my point. As mentioned in other emails, the BSEE program I randomly picked as it was one of the top results from Google asked for a total of 132 credits and from those 60 credits that were basically labeled as non-major courses, so that is about half of all course work required. I

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread tedd
At 1:46 PM -0600 4/17/08, Tim Lieberman wrote: Why people insist on on-site work is a bit beyond me. If you're willing to pay well, you should be able to attract capable developers who can be trusted to work remotely. If you want to hire a bunch of juniors to churn out hacks all day, and have

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

2008-04-18 Thread SyAD
Oh yeah -- I'm sure a lot of independents comtemplate that, that being independent may deprive one of a large infrastructure, more money, big complex projects, that independents may not get access to. My comment was that perhaps it's sort of genetic -- that maybe the personality that drives

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

2008-04-18 Thread SyAD
In a message dated 4/17/2008 10:10:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > David, I'm shocked that a CS MS would require anything outside of the > field, that seems very odd to me. Maybe things have changed since the > *cough, cough* years since I got