Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

By definition, programming and website design is not a profession. Really? What specifically is that definition? profession: "An occupation, such as law, medicine, or engineering, that requires considerable training and specialized study" Houghton Mifflin Dictionary. Even an engineer mu

Re: [nyphp-talk] webmaster test (update)

wow André Pitanga wrote: First candidate finished his exam: Answer to 7) a= 0.5, b=1 I'm not kidding... ps. I'm not hating. I'm sharing this with the community because I think it's valuable info. ___ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http:

Re: [nyphp-talk] OT: webmaster test

I think anyone who can get 80-100% here you should hire: http://www.justsayhi.com/bb/geek André Pitanga wrote: Matt Juszczak wrote: So I consider myself to be well-versed in *nix/php/mysql/lamp/etc. But I don't use vi. It isn't my editor of choice. So how would one defend themselves there?

Re: [nyphp-talk] OT: webmaster test

Eclipse rocks Jake, and I've been using it to code everything from AS-C# for years! I'd hire you, but i don't have any opening now. :P Jake McGraw wrote: http://xkcd.com/378/ I use Eclipse + PDT, guess I'm a newb. - jake On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Ben Sgro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

RE: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

This is quite a strong summation. Yet, fortunately, there is some types of accreditation for some programming and related categories. There is Microsoft MSCE, Cisco Certified, general network certifications, Oracle cert, Red Hat cert, security cert, Zend PHP cert, even a Flash cert. So, maybe if

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

I'm not certain of 'Houghton Mifflin' (and whatever traces of etymology they use in that particular edition), but the word itself actually comes from the monastics/priests, in which one would 'profess' their belief. It was later adapted to professional, or 'one who professed an understanding of

Re: [nyphp-talk] On Developer Certification

I'm sure this has all been discussed before (with much more flair and depth than I'm capable of) but one of the hurdles in developer certification that appears most obvious to me is that our industry contains so much variety. Variety is probably not the best word for it, but what I mean is that th

PHP IDEs [was: Re: [nyphp-talk] OT: webmaster test]

Webmaster wrote: Eclipse rocks Jake, and I've been using it to code everything from AS-C# for years! I'd hire you, but i don't have any opening now. :P I don't think Eclipse is great for PHP. I tried several plugins for PHP and they all gave me just more reason not to consider Eclipse as a PHP

RE: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

I would posit that there has been a tipping point in all programming and related fields including webmastering. That the days of stringing together some solid text pages that all ran off a little recycled personal server that laid unsecured on the floor under your desk are over and the content yo

Re: PHP IDEs [was: Re: [nyphp-talk] OT: webmaster test]

> I don't think Eclipse is great for PHP. I tried several plugins for PHP and > they all gave me just more reason not to consider Eclipse as a PHP IDE. I > don't mean that you can't use it for PHP, but getting decent IntelliSense, > help, and the debugger to work wasn't easy. Or is there a plugin

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

well said! +1,400,000 Peter Sawczynec wrote: I would posit that there has been a tipping point in all programming and related fields including webmastering. That the days of stringing together some solid text pages that all ran off a little recycled personal server that laid unsecured on the

Re: [nyphp-talk] OT: webmaster test

on 2008-04-16 08:47 Webmaster said the following: I think anyone who can get 80-100% here you should hire: http://www.justsayhi.com/bb/geek I got 98%, but I want to know what knowing "who shot first" or who Smaug was has to do with coding or hacking. :-P //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzman

Re: [nyphp-talk] OT: webmaster test

54% I pass :) Jerry B. Altzman wrote: on 2008-04-16 08:47 Webmaster said the following: I think anyone who can get 80-100% here you should hire: http://www.justsayhi.com/bb/geek I got 98%, but I want to know what knowing "who shot first" or who Smaug was has to do with coding or hacking. :

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

For all intents and purposes, a software engineer/application developer must have a bachelor's degree of some sort, and certainly after 10 years of doing this, I consider that it takes considerable training and specialized study to be reasonably good. My question to you Urb: Would you consider

RE: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

Industry certifications are all well and good but state-certified professional licenses would be a huge step forward. Just think how cool it would be to have a "NYS Licensed Code Jockey" certificate in a huge frame on your office wall :) Not to mention the economic & lobbying power that state

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

Guess 24 years experience programming in all kinds of environments with 15 or so languages does not constitute a profession then based on your position that it requires a degree. I have no degree. I have very little formal training. The problem in today's world is that too much emphasis is p

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

Jim -- after 24 years in the field, I'd suggest that probably you are eligible to be granted a degree based on life experience!! :) I was certainly not saying that a degree makes any sort of difference in competency (it doesn't!), but only that to be considered a "profession" for licensing purp

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test [Open Group IT certification]

Hello, Kristina Anderson wrote: > I would sure welcome a NYS professional license for > software developers > and want to know would anyone else want to get active on that? It > could require a certain number of years of actual paid > experience and a > test and whatever else...I'm 100% in f

Re: PHP IDEs [was: Re: [nyphp-talk] OT: webmaster test]

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:58 AM, David Krings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Coming back to the previous topic, everyone has their preference for > editors/IDEs and often it is just that, a preference, not a quality > judgement. That is why I even prefer a nicely designed GUI on a server over > the

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

Kristina Anderson wrote: Industry certifications are all well and good but state-certified professional licenses would be a huge step forward. Just think how cool it would be to have a "NYS Licensed Code Jockey" certificate in a huge frame on your office wall :) Not to mention the economic

Re: PHP IDEs [was: Re: [nyphp-talk] OT: webmaster test]

Keith Casey wrote: > Just for a shameless plug... this year at the DCPHP Conference in June - http://dcphpconference.com/ - I'm moderating a PHP IDE shootout. We have a pretty good selection of tools represented: Cal Evans from Zend (Zend IDE); Wez Furlong from OmniTI (VI/Vim); Jeff Griffiths

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

You have a valid point about the state certs...which could be problematic...however, I do take exception with your characterization of liberal arts courses and degrees as "garbage"...as a non-CS major who is now in the field and also as someone who believes STRONGLY in the "non-vocational, libe

Re: PHP IDEs [was: Re: [nyphp-talk] OT: webmaster test]

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:35 PM, David Krings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Want me to come and diss all of them? There's nothing like a good geek fight first thing in the morning. ;) Seriously though, if you - or anyone else - has questions, comments, etc that you'd like thrown in the hat for c

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

Kristina Anderson wrote: You have a valid point about the state certs...which could be problematic...however, I do take exception with your characterization of liberal arts courses and degrees as "garbage"...as a non-CS major who is now in the field and also as someone who believes STRONGLY in

[nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

This is a continuity reboot of the "Webmaster test" thread. I'm a member of the ACM, although I don't know why. There's a lot of handwringing in "Communications of the ACM" about the state of the IT job markets... Is it expanding or contracting? Why aren't more women in IT? It sou

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

Guys, I have to be honest, this "Webmaster test" and its associated threads are a train wreck for me. I can't stop reading them, although admittedly I find them ridiculous. I do believe in the saying, "if you don't have something nice to say..." which is why I haven't commented thus far, but if

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

Tom -- The average corporate attorney makes $200K. The average attorney in business for themselves makes about the same. The average CPA, about 150K. The average doctor, electrician, etc. etc. etc...way more than we do. The AVERAGE programmer makes, what, 80K if on salary? (I'm self empl

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

Hi Kristina, On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Kristina Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom -- > > The average corporate attorney makes $200K. The average attorney in > business for themselves makes about the same. The average CPA, about > 150K. The average doctor, electrician, etc. etc

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

Kristina Anderson wrote: Tom -- The average corporate attorney makes $200K. The average attorney in business for themselves makes about the same. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Corporate_Attorney/Salary The average CPA, about 150K. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Accoun

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

Tom, like a lot of the folks on this list, I'm a PHP programmer developing internet applications (coding forms, building MySQL databases, meeting with clients to determine requirements, etc. etc.). I've been doing this (in different languages and platforms) for 10 years and in PHP for the past

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

The salary numbers on that site (46K for an accountant?? Secretaries make more than this) seem way low, and I was moreso referring to NYC salaries...if my numbers are way off, I do apologize...but I do feel that these professions are overall more lucrative to practitioners than IT is... I love

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Kristina Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > rates. There is a reason I get 90% of the projects I bid on. If I > asked for $100 an hour, that would be great, but $100 an hour for 0 > hours is, wellzero dollars. I used to get 85%+ of the projects I was pi

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

Alright everybody... since I started this insane thread, please allow me to close it. I really didn't expect to awaken the whole internet hate machine... I already regret all the electricity wasted. -André ___ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

Keith -- I see where you are going with this, I don't know much we want to go into rates on this public board ... but if I am underbilling I would like to know about it. PS I think I dropped Econ 101 in Summer 1982 ...? OOOPS! (Taking initiative to solve my OWN problems!!) :) > On Wed, Apr 16

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

market is totally open for me to charge whatever > I want are well...interesting theory and pretty typical politics for a > certain segment of the IT industry...but. Maybe the problem is you haven't met anyone on the other side. I just did a gig with a large consulting company and you would fal

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Kristina Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Keith -- I see where you are going with this, I don't know much we want > to go into rates on this public board ... but if I am underbilling I > would like to know about it. Not suggesting or describing rates, just s

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

Kristina Anderson wrote: Tom -- The average corporate attorney makes $200K. The average attorney in business for themselves makes about the same. The average CPA, about 150K. The average doctor, electrician, etc. etc. etc...way more than we do. The AVERAGE programmer makes, what, 80K if

Re: [nyphp-talk] Why IT Sucks

OK ! I should let this matter rest for a bit since I seem to be annoying some folks out there (yet another of my many talents). But I want to thank you guys, you have given me some food for thought about matters very important to me! - Kristina > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Kristina Ande

[nyphp-talk] Sun closing source of mysql?

I just saw this on slashdot: http://jcole.us/blog/archives/2008/04/14/just-announced-mysql-to-launch-new-features-only-in-mysql-enterprise/ Basically certain features will be in Mysql Enterprise only, and no longer available in the free open source version of the software. What the hell? Thi

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, David Krings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A university is supposed to train interested candidates in a field of choice > with the goal to make them subject matter experts in that field. That's actually not true, and your apparent belief in this untruth is probably

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

Good call, I love to read. Read all the time. Just read your email and I'm going to read a book. - Ben Christopher R. Merlo wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, David Krings <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: A university is supposed to train interested candidates

[nyphp-talk] Serial communication in Mac OS X

Hi All, I am trying to connect to /dev/tty.USA28Xb2P1.1 which is a Keyspan USB to Serial adapter. I have had success using the screen utility, #screen /dev/tty.USA28Xb2P1.1 but I would like to use PHP to create a web interface to a microcontroller. I have attempted fopen with no luck: > $port =

Re: [nyphp-talk] Serial communication in Mac OS X

Hello Corey, This doesn't really answer your question, but I've recently been doing java serial work on osx for some robotics stuff. Take a look at http://rxtx.qbang.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Sorry I dont have more specific php info. - Ben Corey Fogarty wrote: Hi All, I am trying to con

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

Christopher R. Merlo wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, David Krings <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: A university is supposed to train interested candidates in a field of choice with the goal to make them subject matter experts in that field. That's actu

Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:43 PM, David Krings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Huh? I got two university degrees and did so voluntarily. So what you say is > clearly not the case. My point is that someone who for example takes a BSEE > program at Alfred State College is required to have 132 credits for