RE: history of window eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I started out on Windows 3.1 with the Text Assist/Singing DecTalk, then, I
went to windows 98 with the JAWS screen reader because that was what the
institute who provided equipment to schools here had. I used the demo of
Window-Eyes from about 2001 to 2005, then bought it in 2007. I also tried
Simply Talker 98 and 2000 , the x inexpensive $50 screen reader. Simply
Talker is now obsolete. Then, I also used NVDA from 2012 to present,
alongside of JAWS, and Window-Eyes. Before Window-Eyes, I was what we would
call a staunche JAWS user and that was all I knew.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 7:10 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

In many ways, Tinytalk was way ahead of its time. Most DOS screen 
readers were charging around $500 for a single user license and there 
were few exceptions. Technically, you could use ASAP at no cost if you 
were willing to put up with regular "nag" messages encouraging you to 
buy it. However, at that time you either paid full price for a license 
or you dealt with a demo version which would time out after 20 or 30 
minutes, followed by a reboot for another 20 or 30 minutes. Tinytalk, 
like ASAP, could be used for free if you were willing to put up with a 
slight pause at startup and, as you say, only cost $75.00. A shareware 
screen reader in the DOS era was almost unheard of. Now, with offers 
like the Window-eyes offer for users of Microsoft Office and other free 
and low-cost alternatives, this type of license is more common now but 
Tinytalk may well have been the first, or at least one of the few, to 
offer this in the 1990s.


   David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
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On 10/18/2016 11:25 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> My first windows screen reader was Artic Winvision.  Yes I do like 
> Window-Eyes, but I thought that Winvision was the easiest to configure 
> on the fly as well as use straight from the box.  We have come along 
> ways since then, and I really do appreciate the ease of use with W.E.  
> My first and only DOS screen reader was called TinyTalk.  It was 
> referred to as the poor man's screen reader since I only paid $75 for 
> it. Just a bit of my history with screen readers.  Have a Good 1! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 18-Oct-16 10:54, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Window bridge was the first windows screenreader I got for my first 
>> windows computer, which was a Gateway 2000, with windows 98.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: David Goldfield via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:52 PM
>> To: Jeff Samco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>>
>> I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
>>
>> In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
>> Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
>> correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
>> have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
>> Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
>> May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
>> Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
>> a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
>> be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
>> 2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
>> try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
>> name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
>> Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
>> Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
>> It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
>> library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
>> the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
>> screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
>> corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
>> about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
>> Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
>> more than a few years.
>>
>> This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
>> talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
>> technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
>> established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
>> locating it.
>>
>>
>>
>>   David Goldfield,
>> Assistive Technology Specialist
>>
>> Feel free to visit my Web site
>> WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
>>
>> On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
>>> Yes, Malcom Holser wrote 

Re: history of window eyes

[David Goldfield via Talk]

In many ways, Tinytalk was way ahead of its time. Most DOS screen 
readers were charging around $500 for a single user license and there 
were few exceptions. Technically, you could use ASAP at no cost if you 
were willing to put up with regular "nag" messages encouraging you to 
buy it. However, at that time you either paid full price for a license 
or you dealt with a demo version which would time out after 20 or 30 
minutes, followed by a reboot for another 20 or 30 minutes. Tinytalk, 
like ASAP, could be used for free if you were willing to put up with a 
slight pause at startup and, as you say, only cost $75.00. A shareware 
screen reader in the DOS era was almost unheard of. Now, with offers 
like the Window-eyes offer for users of Microsoft Office and other free 
and low-cost alternatives, this type of license is more common now but 
Tinytalk may well have been the first, or at least one of the few, to 
offer this in the 1990s.


   David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 10/18/2016 11:25 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> My first windows screen reader was Artic Winvision.  Yes I do like 
> Window-Eyes, but I thought that Winvision was the easiest to configure 
> on the fly as well as use straight from the box.  We have come along 
> ways since then, and I really do appreciate the ease of use with W.E.  
> My first and only DOS screen reader was called TinyTalk.  It was 
> referred to as the poor man's screen reader since I only paid $75 for 
> it. Just a bit of my history with screen readers.  Have a Good 1! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 18-Oct-16 10:54, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Window bridge was the first windows screenreader I got for my first 
>> windows computer, which was a Gateway 2000, with windows 98.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: David Goldfield via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:52 PM
>> To: Jeff Samco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>>
>> I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
>>
>> In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
>> Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
>> correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
>> have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
>> Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
>> May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
>> Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
>> a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
>> be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
>> 2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
>> try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
>> name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
>> Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
>> Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
>> It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
>> library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
>> the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
>> screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
>> corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
>> about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
>> Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
>> more than a few years.
>>
>> This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
>> talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
>> technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
>> established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
>> locating it.
>>
>>
>>
>>   David Goldfield,
>> Assistive Technology Specialist
>>
>> Feel free to visit my Web site
>> WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
>>
>> On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
>>> Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
>>> was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
>>> interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
>>> purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
>>> 5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
>>> $3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
>>> I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
>>> Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
>>> offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
>>> reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
 I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
 Fresno where I 

Re: history of window eyes

[David Goldfield via Talk]

What I'm about to say might almost be considered heresy by some but, to 
be honest, I felt like I was the only blind computer user on the entire 
planet who never took to Wordperfect for DOS. Had I given it more of a 
chance I likely would have warmed up to it. I just found the whole 
command set so unintuitive. It seemed like some commands required you to 
press home, home pageup or home, home, pagedown and, to me, this just 
never made sense. I'm so glad that Word and other Windows-based word 
processors have not only provided us with standard keyboard commands but 
ones which seem far ore intuitive.


   David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 10/18/2016 11:38 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I sure do! I used WP from 5.0 through 6.2 for dos and briefly ran 
> WP7.0 on a windows 98 system.  It just seemed to be easier to use for 
> some reason.  Catch Ya All Later! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 18-Oct-16 00:36, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:
>> Many of us still miss word perfect.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, David Goldfield via Talk <
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
>>>
>>> In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
>>> Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
>>> correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that 
>>> many
>>> have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
>>> Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
>>> May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
>>> Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
>>> a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the 
>>> Bns to
>>> be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
>>> 2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new 
>>> features to
>>> try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. 
>>> Its
>>> name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
>>> Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
>>> Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
>>> It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the 
>>> SSIL
>>> library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
>>> the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
>>> screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
>>> corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
>>> about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
>>> Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
>>> more than a few years.
>>>
>>> This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
>>> talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
>>> technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
>>> established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
>>> locating it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Goldfield,
>>> Assistive Technology Specialist
>>>
>>> Feel free to visit my Web site
>>> WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
>>>
>>> On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
 Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
 was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
 interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
 purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
 5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
 $3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
 I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
 Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
 offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
 reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.

 Jeff

 At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
> screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had
> originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only
> partially sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.
> Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk,
> so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed
> Screen Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his
> screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to
> that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
>
> Dave
>

Re: history of window eyes

[David Goldfield via Talk]

I'm quite enjoying this walk down memory lane and sincerely hope that 
the VFO staff who monitor this list doesn't mind this thread.

For me, Vocal-eyes 1.1 was the first screen reader I ever used. In 1991, 
I was planning to get my first computer and I borrowed a five-volume 
book from NLS covering DOS (I think it might have been called Mastering 
DOS.) I decided to absorb as much as I could from that book prior to 
getting that IBM XT so that, when I turned on the computer, I'd be armed 
with at least some knowledge.

Around February 1991, I acquired a used IBM XT with a 10 megabyte hard 
drive and a 5.25 floppy drive. Armed with a trusty Braille 'n Speak 
classic, I began learning how to use Vocal-eyes from the excellent (and 
I do mean excellent) user manual, read by Doug Geoffray. Since then, 
I've learned that writing product documentation is more of an art than a 
science. It's quite a delicate balance because you have to write to be 
understood by novices and experts alike, keeping the interest of the 
novice and, at the same time, not boring the nerds and the experts. As 
we all know, software documentation is a mixed bag. It's admittedly 
difficult to write manuals and please all of the people all of the time 
and, in my opinion, not everyone can do it. For that reason, Vocal-eyes 
was a great first screen reader, not only because of its functionality 
but due to its amazing manual. It was thorough and yet fun. I was both a 
total newbie but an eager nerd who wanted to know as much as I could and 
the documentation hit me on all levels. It was a well-packaged product, 
in every sense of the word. While functionality is certainly critical, 
packaging can really make a difference in whether someone likes or hates 
the product. GW Micro did everything quite nicely, from the manual, its 
recording quality, nice packaging and, of course, easy to use software.


   David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
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On 10/19/2016 1:45 AM, Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk wrote:
> Waw what a nostalgia this morning, I remember that my first computer that 
> ever used was the Amstrad PC with 5.25inch floppy disk and with the votrax 
> type n' talk speech synthesizer.  Later I switch to  the double talk speech 
> synthesizer and the ASAP for dos screen reader, at that time the WordPerfect 
> 5.1 word processor was the best accessible word processor for us the blind. 
> Although today I'm feeling comfortable with Microsoft word, but I'm still 
> missing that WordPerfect for DOS.
>
> Anyway, as they say, every good thing, sometimes comes to an end. Now it is 
> the time for window eyes unfortunately.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Micallef
> Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification
> and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment
>
> Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)
>
> Email:
> Office:
> URL:
> FB:
> michael.mical...@gov.mt
> +356 2599 2343
> http://www.fitamalta.eu
> http://on.fb.me/1hCRTAx
>
> Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Jim via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2016 17:25
> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
> Hi there!
>
> My first windows screen reader was Artic Winvision.  Yes I do like
> Window-Eyes, but I thought that Winvision was the easiest to configure
> on the fly as well as use straight from the box.  We have come along
> ways since then, and I really do appreciate the ease of use with W.E.
> My first and only DOS screen reader was called TinyTalk.  It was
> referred to as the poor man's screen reader since I only paid $75 for
> it. Just a bit of my history with screen readers.  Have a Good 1! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 18-Oct-16 10:54, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Window bridge was the first windows screenreader I got for my first
>> windows computer, which was a Gateway 2000, with windows 98.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: David Goldfield via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:52 PM
>> To: Jeff Samco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>>
>> I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
>>
>> In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
>> Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
>> correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
>> have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
>> Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
>> May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
>> Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
>> a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
>> be used for Braille 

Re: antivirus with window eyes

[David Goldfield via Talk]

Hello.

Some of the things I'm about to write regarding the subject of antivirus 
accessibility may be controversial to some and may possibly ruffle some 
feathers. This is not my intent. I'd just like to offer a slightly 
different perspective on this extremely important issue.

I think that, with respect, people who wonder what antivirus programs 
are compatible with Window-eyes are asking the wrong question. The 
question we should all be asking, whether we're blind or sighted, is 
what antivirus or security solution is highly rated, according to 
independent lab tests. I realize the problem with this question is that, 
sometimes, what some may consider to be a good antivirus solution might 
not be compatible with our screen reader of choice. When we find out 
that specific solutions we might otherwise have considered don't work 
well with our screen reader, we choose one which is more accessible. 
Lest you think I'm looking down on all of you, please know that I did 
the exact same thing for years.

In 1998, I began using what was, at that time, a current version of 
Norton Antivirus on my Windows 98 machine. The program was well-known, 
was shipped with my computer with a free, one year subscription and was, 
from what I remember, 100% accessible.

Eventually, the program's level of accessibility began to change and I 
discovered AVG 7.5. It, too, was 100% accessible and was probably the 
only antivirus program to allow the user to change and redefine shortcut 
keys for its various functions, similar to the functionality of 
Window-eyes. It was amazing and it seemed like it was almost made for 
visually impaired screen reader users. I should note that I never once 
considered whether the program was actually effective in keeping my 
computer secure. As naive as this may sound, I'll admit that it never 
occurred to me to actually read objective reviews to see if AVG could do 
an even half-decent job in protecting my system. It was free, super 
accessible and had the word antivirus in its name. What more could I 
possibly want?

As I'm sure many of you will remember, version 8 of AVG came along and, 
while the program was still mostly accessible, the interface changed, 
keyboard shortcut reassignment was gone and, over time, accessibility 
became a bit more problematic, although the program was certainly usable 
enough. Bear in mind that I haven't used it in several years and, if 
accessibility has improved, I'll be the first to celebrate that fact.

So, like so many of us, I decided to find another program with the word 
antivirus in its title with at least reasonable screen reader 
accessibility. I found Avast 4.x and it wasn't bad. Like many blind 
people, I happily used it. Until 5.0 came around and the program was not 
accessible, though I know they've since been working on this and things 
have likely changed.

So, I uninstalled Avast and found what I believed was the ideal solution 
with Microsoft Security Essentials. It was free, seemed light on 
resources and was 100% accessible. My problem, so I thought, was solved. 
Over time, I began to read that MSE wasn't doing as well in dealing with 
viruses but I figured, hey, I'm a cautious user. I take a lot of 
precautions: I update software regularly, adjusted security settings on 
my router, am careful about opening attachments to the point of 
paranoia, use a script blocker on most pages ... in other words, I was 
hardly what you would call reckless and used my computer as responsibly 
as I knew how. Of course, I knew even then that there was always a 
chance my PC could get hit by malware, no matter how careful I was, but 
I believed I was reasonably safe. Until I was hit by crippling malware 
which forced me to reformat my hard drive and reinstall everything, 
rebuilding everything from the ground up.

I realize that there are many people who have found an accessible or at 
least usable antivirus solution who have never been hit by malware. I'm 
sure there are many happy users of MSE or Windows Defender who happily 
use their computer who may never be crippled by a virus. I also realize 
that corporations who deploy many different security solutions, who 
employ security experts who know a hundred times more than I'll ever 
hope to know, still get hit by malware. When it comes to computer 
security, there are no guarantees, no matter how much you know or what 
you do to protect yourself. My point is that, for years, I was content 
to place accessibility as a higher priority over safety and security and 
that simply isn't a mistake I'm willing to make again. For word 
processing, I use Microsoft Word, not only because it's quite 
accessible, but because it simply is one of the best word processors out 
there for what I need. Those who use Window-eyes use it because, for 
what they need, it's the best solution for them.

I would encourage anyone considering their security needs to read 
reviews of which programs performed well with independent 

sonar with window eyes

[Drew Clark via Talk]

Hi,

witch version of sonar the audio editor works well with window eyes?

thanks as always



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Re: antivirus with window eyes

[Tony C via Talk]

   AVG has a free one that is useable with WE. I will caution you however 
that none of the free one's are all that great. I use the paid version of 
AVG, it's like $39 a year. Well worth it considering it can cost around $200 
to take it to the PC shop because of a virus.


-Original Message- 
From: Drew Clark via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 5:40 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: antivirus with window eyes

Hi,

sorry if this has been asked before but,

what is the recommended free antivirus for window eyes? i am using
windows 7 here so no built-in antivirus. i want an accessible antivirus
and free. thanks



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RE: "working in background, normal select."

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
Go to mouse and set pointer identification to off.
Chris


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of drew clark via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: "working in background, normal select."

Hi,

that's what i get starting from yesterday, i don't know what setting i/messed 
up, but any way to correct it? it keep saying that, for example, i hit alt tab 
and it will say it.
/

/thanks/

/sent from thunderbird with window eyes from aisquared!/

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RE: win eyes and kurzweil

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Isn't the Kurzweil appointments self-voicing?  In that case Window-eyes should 
go to sleep.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:25 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: win eyes and kurzweil

Morning all:

 

We is having a little dispute with kurzweil reminders.

 

When kurzweil comes up speaking an appointment date, win eyes does not load may 
I say properley.

 

It takes a long time and sometimes not at all.

 

I guess the question is, do I have start before log in

Do I start win eyes after log in

Or do I start win eyes after all users.

 

I don't use a password, I am the only user, and I have set myself as 
administrater.

 

With this problem

 

I am running office 2007, windows 7, and latest version of win eyes

Thanks

Don

A little guidance would help me out 

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win eyes and kurzweil

[Don Smith via Talk]

Morning all:

 

We is having a little dispute with kurzweil reminders.

 

When kurzweil comes up speaking an appointment date, win eyes does not load
may I say properley.

 

It takes a long time and sometimes not at all.

 

I guess the question is, do I have start before log in

Do I start win eyes after log in

Or do I start win eyes after all users.

 

I don't use a password, I am the only user, and I have set myself as
administrater.

 

With this problem

 

I am running office 2007, windows 7, and latest version of win eyes

Thanks

Don

A little guidance would help me out 

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FW: e-mail question

[Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk]

-Original Message-
From: Mail Delivery System [mailto:mailer-dae...@op0iron01.schools.nyc.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:16 AM
To: Kurlander Richard (75)
Subject: Undeliverable: e-mail question

The following message to  was undeliverable.
The reason for the problem:
5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 : 
Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table'
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Re: windows and cortana search field

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

It's happening to me also.
It started when I installled WE9.5.3.
Pastor Gil

-Original Message- 
From: Jim Ruby via Talk

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:27 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: windows and cortana search field

Hi, in the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes is anyone losing the
cortana search field when hitting the windows key? It is the edit field
where you can type in beginning of a name of an app and it will expand to
the app you want and you can just press enter to launch the app. At any rate
I have to restart many times a day to get this functionality back.



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Re: can you assist me

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

first go get decTalk for NVDA from this website link.


http://grossgang.com/tts/synthesizers%20for%20nvda/access32.nvda-addon


if it asks you what you want to do with it make sure the open with radio 
button is checked and it says nvda slave in the combo box then hit the 
ok button. when a dialog comes up asking if you want to install it 
answer yes. answer yes to restarting NVDA as well. then press control 
insert s for the synthesizer dialog, hit d for decTalk and enter. then 
press control insert c to save the configuration.




On 10/20/2016 1:59 AM, Micallef Michael at FITA wrote:

Dear Josh Kennedy,

I read your below email, and I'm wondering if you could assist me a little. My 
problem is that I'm trying to find a way how to use NVDA with a dectalk speech. 
Can you kingly give mesome clear step by step instructions how I can achieve 
this?  I highly prefer DEctalk speech, rather than eloquence or other voices. 
My ears are stricktly addicted to DECTALK speech.

Kind regards,

Michael





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and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2016 23:54
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: talking dos box

hey anyone on here used talking dos box except for me? the talking dos
box i sent up to the list has windows3.1 and keysoft 1 or 2 and keynote
gold multimedia install in win3.1. it also has a demo of mega dots2.0,
wordperfect 5.1 and lotus 123 along with lots of text games.

before you run it you can set NVDA to use decTalk access32 nvda addon
sorry does not work with window eyes requires nvda in sleep mode ... ...
from the grossgang.com  site ... asap screen reader works best. could
not get the vocal eyes demo to work.





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RE: Office 7 and office 16

[Jim Ruby via Talk]

I to o am having problems with office 2007 and there does not seem to be any
resolutions. Thinking about going with office 2016, but I don't use office
that much any more so can I justify it just to use outlook again sice
window-eyes tipped over and don't work as well as it once did with 2007?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jim=blindsea@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:22 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Office 7 and office 16

Hi, 

I am using the most current version of Window eyes and windows 10
anniversary edition and Office 2007.  

 

I have not had any problems with Office 07 or Window Eyes until the last two
updates of Window Eyes.  

 

When I first went to Windows 10 in May I checked with the staff of Window
Eyes to make sure WE and windows 10 would still work.  AI Squared assured me
that Office 07 would work just fine.  

Since the current update and the previous update of WE I have had nothing
but trouble with Outlook on my computer.  I have a few problems with Word
but not as much trouble as I have with Outlook.  

 

I have made a few calls to AI Squared and they have come up with a few ideas
to try and I was also sent a Zip file of WE 9.5.3 incase when I di my
upgrade from the WE page had an issue.  

Well still no luck.  I purchased the CD to WE 9.5.3 and before I installed
it I ran Windows Defender and Malware bytes to make sure there wasn't a
virus or problem with my computer.  Everything was clean.  I installed the
CD of WE 9.5.3 today and I am still having issues especially with Outlook.  

 

What is happening is when I open Outlook the majority of the time my list of
emails are showing on the screen but nothing is read at all.  When the list
of emails do read WE doesn't say if the message is read, unread, forwarded.


So I had sighted help to do the graphic dictionaries to label the read,
unread and all that stuff.  That did not work either so my sighted
assistance suggested I label the Braille dictionary's with the read and
unread also.  Believe it or not that made WE say if the messages were read
or unread.  

I do not even have any Braille stuff installed on my computer because I do
not use Braille at all.  

 

So anyway I am thinking about downloading Office 365 because my spouse uses
that and I can also add it to my computer.  What I am wondering is can I
have both Office 2016, which is the Office 365 version and also have Office
07 on my computer?  

I know I will have to get the proper set file for Office when I use one
version or another, but that is not a problem. 

I have a home business and most of my stuff is done on Word 2007 so I will
need time to convert documents so they work in word 2016.  

Plus with all the changes from Office 07 to Office 2016 I am going to have
to learn how to maneuver and do things differently in Office 2016.  

 

So any advice that anyone can share with me or how to get WE 9.5.3 to work
properly with Office 7 would greatly be appreciated.  

 

 
Dave

 

"Life is too short for drama & petty things, So kiss slowly, laugh insanely,
love truly and forgive quickly." 

 
William Arthur 

 

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Re: windows and cortana search field

[michaeel's mail via Talk]

Hi Jim yes it has happen to me now and again.
The only way to fix it is sign out and back in.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Jim Ruby via Talk

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:27 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: windows and cortana search field

Hi, in the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes is anyone losing the
cortana search field when hitting the windows key? It is the edit field
where you can type in beginning of a name of an app and it will expand to
the app you want and you can just press enter to launch the app. At any rate
I have to restart many times a day to get this functionality back.



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windows and cortana search field

[Jim Ruby via Talk]

Hi, in the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes is anyone losing the
cortana search field when hitting the windows key? It is the edit field
where you can type in beginning of a name of an app and it will expand to
the app you want and you can just press enter to launch the app. At any rate
I have to restart many times a day to get this functionality back.



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"working in background, normal select."

[drew clark via Talk]

Hi,

that's what i get starting from yesterday, i don't know what setting 
i/messed up, but any way to correct it? it keep saying that, for 
example, i hit alt tab and it will say it.

/

/thanks/

/sent from thunderbird with window eyes from aisquared!/

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can you assist me

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

Dear Josh Kennedy,

I read your below email, and I'm wondering if you could assist me a little. My 
problem is that I'm trying to find a way how to use NVDA with a dectalk speech. 
Can you kingly give mesome clear step by step instructions how I can achieve 
this?  I highly prefer DEctalk speech, rather than eloquence or other voices. 
My ears are stricktly addicted to DECTALK speech.

Kind regards,

Michael





Michael Micallef
Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification 
and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

Email:
Office:
URL:
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michael.mical...@gov.mt  
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2016 23:54
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: talking dos box

hey anyone on here used talking dos box except for me? the talking dos 
box i sent up to the list has windows3.1 and keysoft 1 or 2 and keynote 
gold multimedia install in win3.1. it also has a demo of mega dots2.0, 
wordperfect 5.1 and lotus 123 along with lots of text games.

before you run it you can set NVDA to use decTalk access32 nvda addon 
sorry does not work with window eyes requires nvda in sleep mode ... ... 
from the grossgang.com  site ... asap screen reader works best. could 
not get the vocal eyes demo to work.



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