Re: Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers

[David Goldfield via Talk]

Lynette,

I never saw those old Keynotes but I have a friend who had one in the 
1980s and she really loved it. I remember that she told me the keyboard 
had a wonderful feel. On one of the earlier newsletters from Raised Dot 
Computing a customer submitted a review of the Keynote and gave it high 
praise.

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On 10/22/2016 12:31 AM, Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:
>
>
> My first computer was a Keynote, which was all of 40k. Evidently there 
> were some Epson (I think) laptops which never took off, so Humanware 
> acquired them and fitted them with speech and their own software. You 
> could write with it (approximately 14 pages) and there was a little 
> microprinter on top of it which printed on spools of paper. I used it 
> a lot, for writing poems, taking parish council minutes, leaving 
> people messages, etc. I guess that there was online capability, but I 
> didn't know anything about that.
> It was a nice little machine, which prepared me for a "real" computer.
>
> Peace.
> Linette
>
>
>
> On 10/21/2016 8:49 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
>> Hi,
>> My first introduction into the World of screen readers and computers was
>> with an Apple 2E and Braille Edit back in 1984. The speech syn was an
>> Echo from Streets Electronics. By today's standards, it was primitive
>> but was a vast improvement on what went before. i.e. Just a typewriter
>> and if you were loaded, a typewriter fitted with speech.
>>
>> Don't know what happened to Dave Holliday, the author of Braille Edit,
>> and Raised Dot Computing.  Does anyone know?
>>
>>
>> After that I switched to an IBM type machine in the late '80's and used
>> Artic Vision which eventually went to the wall.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Neville.
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Re: Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

My first computer was a Keynote, which was all of 40k. Evidently there 
were some Epson (I think) laptops which never took off, so Humanware 
acquired them and fitted them with speech and their own software. You 
could write with it (approximately 14 pages) and there was a little 
microprinter on top of it which printed on spools of paper. I used it a 
lot, for writing poems, taking parish council minutes, leaving people 
messages, etc. I guess that there was online capability, but I didn't 
know anything about that.

It was a nice little machine, which prepared me for a "real" computer.

Peace.
Linette



On 10/21/2016 8:49 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
My first introduction into the World of screen readers and computers was
with an Apple 2E and Braille Edit back in 1984. The speech syn was an
Echo from Streets Electronics. By today's standards, it was primitive
but was a vast improvement on what went before. i.e. Just a typewriter
and if you were loaded, a typewriter fitted with speech.

Don't know what happened to Dave Holliday, the author of Braille Edit,
and Raised Dot Computing.  Does anyone know?


After that I switched to an IBM type machine in the late '80's and used
Artic Vision which eventually went to the wall.

Cheers
Neville.
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Re: Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers

[David Goldfield via Talk]

If anyone would like to read an archive of the newsletters from Raised 
Dot Computing, David and Caryn's former company, you can take a long 
walk down memory lane at

http://personalpages.tds.net/~ti51/rdcnews.htm


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On 10/21/2016 10:18 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
> David Holladay and Caryn Navy are alive and well and work for Duxbury 
> Systems.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:49 PM
> To: Window Eyes
> Subject: Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers
>
> Hi,
> My first introduction into the World of screen readers and computers was
> with an Apple 2E and Braille Edit back in 1984. The speech syn was an
> Echo from Streets Electronics. By today's standards, it was primitive
> but was a vast improvement on what went before. i.e. Just a typewriter
> and if you were loaded, a typewriter fitted with speech.
>
> Don't know what happened to Dave Holliday, the author of Braille Edit,
> and Raised Dot Computing.  Does anyone know?
>
>
> After that I switched to an IBM type machine in the late '80's and used
> Artic Vision which eventually went to the wall.
>
> Cheers
> Neville.
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Re: speech synthesizers

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

I agree; that was a fascinating BBC program.
In 1987 or 1988, a special issue of the Journal of the Acoustical Society of 
America had the article about the history of speech synthesis, written by 
Dennis Klatt. This magazine, as was sometimes done back then, contained an 
Eva-Tone flexible disc bound inside. It contained the recording, made by Dr. 
Klatt, and was distributed to all of the subscribers of the magazine. Of 
course, this was at 33 rpm, and not the 8 rpm that NLS was using at that 
time. But it would have been pressed on the same equipment that NLS used, in 
Clearwater, Florida. Anyway, that recording with its 30-some selections, has 
been digitized by several individuals. An old version of this, archived at 
the University of California, Berkeley, is still available at
http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/eecs225d/klatt.html . I have not looked around 
for copies of this recording that would be more convenient to use in our 
modern browsers and media players; it's probably out there somewhere on the 
internet.
The Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History had a 
small collection on speech synthesis. Some of its printed documents were 
online a few years ago, but I haven't found them since a reorganization of 
their website. Someone had interviewed a lot of other people, including Mr. 
Gagnon, who invented the Votrax series of synthesizers, originally from 
Federal Screw Works in Michigan.
There is fascinating history behind the products we take for granted, but it 
is only of interest to some segments of the population.





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-Original Message- 
From: David Goldfield via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

I just found this fascinating documentary on Youtube. It's called Klat's
Last Tapes: a History of Speech Synthesis. It's amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=097K1uMIPyQ

  David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

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On 10/21/2016 9:24 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:

Ah, you answered a question I just asked. So, Fred is a Klat variant, so
to speak?

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On 10/19/2016 8:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

You can, sort of, its name is Fred.


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[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

As do I.
There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are 
not, and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.


On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
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I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.

Alison

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RE: itunes need help in adding an app on ipod touch 6

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Sue,

I have one of those gadgets, but my question is this:  why don't you simply 
search for the app on your iPod Touch using the App Store?
This is much easier than trying to do it from within iTunes.

Hth,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:54 PM
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Subject: itunes need help in adding an app on ipod touch 6

Hello. I could use some help in adding an app on my iPod touch 6 have 
not done this for a while but ever since the update of iTunes think it 
was back in September it has been difficult to add apps to my iPod 
touch, I go about looking for the iPod button hit space bar and the iPod 
area opens up then I tab around to where I get to the device side bar 
tree view then I down arrow to where it says apps it takes a while to 
find my list of apps I have to keep on tabbing to where it says the list 
of apps and lets just say I want to install the app classic Lemon aid 
stand, well I have to load up NVDA to get more info and I do hear 
classic lemon aid stand it tells me the size plus it mentions install, 
now how do I get that to happen tried to hit enter on it nothing and the 
space bar again nothing happens. How can I get this done?

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RE: speech synthesizers

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi David,

Thanks very much for this wonderful documentary link.

All the best,

Rod

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On Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:37 PM
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Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

I just found this fascinating documentary on Youtube. It's called Klat's 
Last Tapes: a History of Speech Synthesis. It's amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=097K1uMIPyQ

   David Goldfield,
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On 10/21/2016 9:24 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:
> Ah, you answered a question I just asked. So, Fred is a Klat variant, so
> to speak?
>
> David Goldfield,
> Assistive Technology Specialist
>
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> On 10/19/2016 8:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
>> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
>> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>>
>> As do I.
>> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
>> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
>> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>>> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>>>
>>> Alison
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RE: what address do you send messages if you want to post to the scripting list?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Dennis,

You can manage a subscription to the scripting list here:

http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/scripting-window-eyes.com

hth,

Rod

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Subject: what address do you send messages if you want to post to the scripting 
list?

Hi, I have a program I would like to have someone possibly write scripts for if 
anyone is interested contact me.
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Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,
My first introduction into the World of screen readers and computers was 
with an Apple 2E and Braille Edit back in 1984. The speech syn was an 
Echo from Streets Electronics. By today's standards, it was primitive 
but was a vast improvement on what went before. i.e. Just a typewriter 
and if you were loaded, a typewriter fitted with speech.


Don't know what happened to Dave Holliday, the author of Braille Edit, 
and Raised Dot Computing.  Does anyone know?



After that I switched to an IBM type machine in the late '80's and used 
Artic Vision which eventually went to the wall.


Cheers
Neville.
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Re: speech synthesizers

[David Goldfield via Talk]

I just found this fascinating documentary on Youtube. It's called Klat's 
Last Tapes: a History of Speech Synthesis. It's amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=097K1uMIPyQ

   David Goldfield,
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On 10/21/2016 9:24 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:
> Ah, you answered a question I just asked. So, Fred is a Klat variant, so
> to speak?
>
> David Goldfield,
> Assistive Technology Specialist
>
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>
> On 10/19/2016 8:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
>> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
>> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>>
>> As do I.
>> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
>> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
>> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>>> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>>>
>>> Alison
>>>
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Re: Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers

[David Goldfield via Talk]

I remember Doug's tapes but can't quite hear that voice clearly enough 
to identify it. It would be quite cool if someone could digitize them, 
if any exist but Doug may or may not have concerns about that. It is 
remotely possible that I might have one of his tutorials, although it 
was a Braille 'n Speak tutorial and so the synth he used on those tapes 
was the Braille 'n Speak voice..

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On 10/19/2016 8:56 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> OK folks, this question strays slightly off the precise topic a 
> smidgen, but here goes.
>
> Some of you may have been acquainted with the intro  to DOS tapes made 
> by Doug Wakefield. I thought these presentations were quite good at 
> the time. But what I would like to know to this day is just what 
> synthesizer he was using on those tapes. I thought it sounded a bit 
> more pleasant than even DEC Talk. These must have been made in the 
> late 80s or early 90s.
>
> I do remember back in the day thinking that I would never get used to 
> the sound of the Artic Synphonic (spelling), and was aiming for a DT, 
> but ultimately had to settle for the Artic.
>
> Anyway, if anybody knows the answer to my question, I would really 
> like to know, even after all these many years
>
> On 10/19/2016 7:37 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:
>> My first screen reader was called Enable Reader and my syn was a Votrax
>> PSS if I remember right.  I also remember paying $500 for a 20 Meg
>> internal hard drive so I did not have to use 5 1/4 floppy disks to run
>> the machine.  Of course that was a DOS machine
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Re: speech synthesizers

[David Goldfield via Talk]

Ah, you answered a question I just asked. So, Fred is a Klat variant, so 
to speak?

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On 10/19/2016 8:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
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> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>
> As do I.
> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>>
>> Alison
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Re: mega dots

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

if you still have it could you send it to me? maybe email it? then I can 
play with it in talking dos box.




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Hi,

I have a copy of Hot Dots which I still use in a DOS shell.  I think it
came out befor MMega dots
On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 18:12:36 -0400 Josh Kennedy via Talk
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does anyone have a full copy of mega dots and also keynote gold
multimedia that i could use inside of talking dos box since mega
dots
and keynote multimedia are no longer supported? and also keysoft
gold
for win3.1? I love playing with the old stuff inside my accessible
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Re: speech synthesizers

[David Goldfield via Talk]

Oh, as an aside are there any recordings of Dennis Klat? Is he still around?

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On 10/19/2016 9:07 AM, Steve Clower via Talk wrote:
> To add to this, Dennis Klatt invented the Klat-Talk algorithm (which is 
> available in the public domain) in the 1980's based on modeling waveforms of 
> his own voice through a computer. DECTalk is derived from Klat-Talk, as is 
> Macintalk on the Apple platform, though the two projects quickly branched off 
> the original Klat-Talk code. This is why DECTalk and Macintalk sound so 
> similar, yet different.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: Kevin Barry ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: RE: speech synthesizers
>
> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>
> As do I.
> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>>
>> Alison
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Re: speech synthesizers

[David Goldfield via Talk]

Steve,

Thank you for this fascinating bit of info. Is the Fred voice from Apple 
derived from Klat-talk, as it sure does sound remarkably like one of the 
Dec-talk voices. I guess I now know why the primary voice was called Dennis.

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On 10/19/2016 9:07 AM, Steve Clower via Talk wrote:
> To add to this, Dennis Klatt invented the Klat-Talk algorithm (which is 
> available in the public domain) in the 1980's based on modeling waveforms of 
> his own voice through a computer. DECTalk is derived from Klat-Talk, as is 
> Macintalk on the Apple platform, though the two projects quickly branched off 
> the original Klat-Talk code. This is why DECTalk and Macintalk sound so 
> similar, yet different.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: Kevin Barry ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: RE: speech synthesizers
>
> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>
> As do I.
> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>>
>> Alison
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Re: Reminiscing about old Screen Readers and Synthesizers

[David Goldfield via Talk]

Wow, haven't thought about Doug Wakefield for many years. He provided a 
great service to the blindness community, not only from his tutorials 
but for his excellent Newsbits magazine. While it wouldn't be practical 
producing a monthly computer magazine due to the amount of podcasts and 
other programs available at no cost, it would be wonderful to see 
someone with his talents producing some modern-day tutorials. There are 
some out there, of course. Cathy Anne Murtha certainly comes to mind and 
she definitely knows her business but I believe there's room for more in 
that space.



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On 10/19/2016 10:50 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> The thing that made me come to that conclusion was a tape Doug made
> for TSI (TeleSensory Systems, Inc.) about their screen-reader called
> Vert Plus was called Valedictory Speech.  In the tape, Doug had Vert
> Plus (using the Prose 4000) speech synthesizer sounding as if he was
> giving a valedictory speech in front of an audience.  I couldn't help
> feeling that Vert Plus sounded a little smug, as if to say, I'm
> fantastic, and, if you don't have a lot of money, you can't afford my
> excellent services.  Just my feeling back then, as I knew I'd never be
> able to afford that particular speech system.
>
> Actually, come to think of it, their is a Sapi 4 synth that sounds
> just a little like the Prose.  It's called TrueVoice.  Maybe not quite
> as good as the Prose, but, just reminds me of it a little.
>
> On 10/19/16, Larry Higgins  wrote:
>> Yes!, that is exactly how it sounded, though I never really thought of
>> it that way until you suggested it .
>>
>> Thank you so much,
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Re: mega dots

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Hi,

I have a copy of Hot Dots which I still use in a DOS shell.  I think it
came out befor MMega dots
On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 18:12:36 -0400 Josh Kennedy via Talk
 writes:
> does anyone have a full copy of mega dots and also keynote gold 
> multimedia that i could use inside of talking dos box since mega 
> dots 
> and keynote multimedia are no longer supported? and also keysoft 
> gold 
> for win3.1? I love playing with the old stuff inside my accessible 
> talking dos box.
> 
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RE: "Read," "Unread," "Attachment" Stopped with Outlook 2007

[Jim Ruby via Talk]

Hi, did you get your problem resolved? I have not and just relabeled some of
the graphics



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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jim=blindsea@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Ed Culpepper via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 12:10 PM
To: 'Chris Grabowski'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: "Read," "Unread," "Attachment" Stopped with Outlook 2007

Hi, Chris -
First, thanks for the prompt reply.
Second, I know better, but I sent my plea without full info. I am running WE
9.5.3.0 and Windows 10 AE.
Third, I went to the WE control panel, uninstalled and reinstalled factory
settings for Outlook 2007, saved settings for good measure, then restarted
the computer. I opened Outlook 2007 and still the status indicators are not
speaking (read, unread, attachment). I have also uninstalled and reinstalled
the Outlook Enhanced app. Still no status spoken.
I've exhausted my personal WE and Windows knowledge and toolkits. Anything
else you can direct me to try?

Many thanks - Ed
J. Edward Culpepper
Huntsville, Alabama, USA

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-Original Message-
From: Chris Grabowski [mailto:cgrabow...@aisquared.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 6:45 AM
To: Ed Culpepper; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: "Read," "Unread," "Attachment" Stopped with Outlook 2007

Hi,
Make sure you are running 9.5.3 and go to file/factory settings and
reinstall the factory settings for Office 2007.

2007 uses graphic labels for those icons.  Office 2010 and above Tell
Window-eyes the status and don't rely on graphic labels that can break.
Chris



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Behalf Of Ed Culpepper via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:59 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: eculpepp...@gmail.com
Subject: "Read," "Unread," "Attachment" Stopped with Outlook 2007

Hi Weers -
After Windows 10 AE update installed I no longer hear "Read," "Unread," or
"Attachment" in relation to messages in my Outlook 2007 in-box. This is on
my desktop computer. My netbook with Outlook 2010 still speaks the message
status following the Windows 10 AE update.
 
I know that instructions have been shared here for turning status speaking
back on, but I cannot locate them now. Please repeat how to turn these items
back on in Outlook 2007, either on the list or by replying to my address in
the CC: field.
 
Many thanks -
Ed Culpepper
 
P.S. Windows 10 AE update has otherwise worked well. Cortana is a little
scrambled, but I am becoming accustomed to her new layout.
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speaking keyboard commands

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I remember listening to a tutorial or webinar where I was shown how to make
Window-eyes speak "send/receive mail" when I press control m in Outlook but
I can't remember where to go to enable this; can anyone help?

 

Alison

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AVG Users

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I would appreciate your helping me. I was thinking of purchasing AVG, but I am 
so confused on the order page, that I didn’t press the Continue button, but 
backed out before checkout. I couldn’t tell what my final total would be. There 
were all these clickables. Write me off list. Thanks.
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mega dots

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

does anyone have a full copy of mega dots and also keynote gold 
multimedia that i could use inside of talking dos box since mega dots 
and keynote multimedia are no longer supported? and also keysoft gold 
for win3.1? I love playing with the old stuff inside my accessible 
talking dos box.




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history of screen readers

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

I wonder why vocal eyes demo won't work in talking dosbox with braille n 
speak driver using or talking through NVDA? if you need the link for 
talking dosbox it is


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Re: A Little Morality tale: It's Not Always Microsoft's Fault!

[aad leeflang via Talk]

hello
i found your message about station playlist and i have a simular problem,
though i am using windows 7.
how did you find out that toolkit was not working?
i don't know if my gw toolkit works properly.
and of course: how do i let it work again?
aad
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:58:46 +
"Crabb, Nolan via Talk"  wrote:

> So last night, I did my little Internet radio thing on the Legend, and I 
> noticed that the Station Playlist app for Window-eyes was running but not 
> working. I blamed the failure on a recent Windows 10 update, presuming that 
> the update had erased all my key bindings or had taken over keystrokes that 
> were once used by the Station Playlist app. I grumbled and groused about 
> Windows 10 updates to my poor beleaguered listeners off and on, convinced 
> that the fault was surely Microsoft’s.
> 
> When I came off the air, I dug a little deeper into the Window-eyes 
> environment and found that for whatever reason, GW Toolkit wasn’t running at 
> all. That would explain in a big way why there were no working keystrokes in 
> the Station Playlist app.
> 
> With no small amount of chagrin and plenty of dip for that crow I was gagging 
> down, I ran GW Toolkit, reopened Station Playlist, brought up a list as if I 
> were about to be on the air, chewed another beak or two of that nasty crow, 
> and proceeded to watch as Jeff Bishop’s scripts worked flawlessly—all my 
> keystrokes were back and in good working order.
> 
> I share this hopefully as an attempt at brightening your day just a bit. If 
> you, too, have made a similar mistake of not checking the status of GW 
> Toolkit, finding it easier instead to blame Microsoft, you need to know 
> you’re not alone in that. And just so you know, crow meat that comes from 
> Washington state is no more appetizing than the same unfortunate dish from 
> anywhere else. :-)
> 
> Double check your GW Toolkit status, my friends, before you despair of ever 
> seeing your app’s keystrokes work well again. I have to admit to being rather 
> stunned that Toolkit wasn’t running. I don’t remember killing it for any 
> reason. Here’s hoping it comes up and runs automatically from now on.
> 
> Nolan, who is somewhat humbled and chastened by his experience, and who 
> doesn’t recommend crow regardless of the dip recipe you have or whether it 
> comes from Washington state or wherever!
> 
> 
> Nolan Crabb, Director of Assistive Technology
> The Ohio State University, Office of the ADA Coordinator/Office of Diversity 
> and Inclusion
> Hale Hall, 150 W. 12th Ave., Ste. 15
> Columbus, OH 43210
> 
> (614) 535-7174
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RE: Finding File attachments in Becky?

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
This should help:
http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/p/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp33becky2.mp3


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 3:02 PM
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Finding File attachments in Becky?

Hello,

I use Becky for my Email.  Had someone send me a File attachment the other day, 
but I cannot find which folder it is located. 

I have a folder called Becky, under Documents, but I see no attachment in this 
folder.

Would someone who knows, tell me where I might find attachments? 

Oh, and I am using Becky 2.0 and Windows 10.  

Grumpy Dave


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itunes need help in adding an app on ipod touch 6

[Sue J. Ward via Talk]

Hello. I could use some help in adding an app on my iPod touch 6 have 
not done this for a while but ever since the update of iTunes think it 
was back in September it has been difficult to add apps to my iPod 
touch, I go about looking for the iPod button hit space bar and the iPod 
area opens up then I tab around to where I get to the device side bar 
tree view then I down arrow to where it says apps it takes a while to 
find my list of apps I have to keep on tabbing to where it says the list 
of apps and lets just say I want to install the app classic Lemon aid 
stand, well I have to load up NVDA to get more info and I do hear 
classic lemon aid stand it tells me the size plus it mentions install, 
now how do I get that to happen tried to hit enter on it nothing and the 
space bar again nothing happens. How can I get this done?


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http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/580a802b6d39d2b283cst03vuc
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what address do you send messages if you want to post to the scripting list?

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Hi, I have a program I would like to have someone possibly write scripts for if 
anyone is interested contact me.
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Finding File attachments in Becky?

[Dave via Talk]

Hello,

I use Becky for my Email.  Had someone send me a File attachment the
other day, but I cannot find which folder it is located. 

I have a folder called Becky, under Documents, but I see no attachment
in this folder.

Would someone who knows, tell me where I might find attachments? 

Oh, and I am using Becky 2.0 and Windows 10.  

Grumpy Dave


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Re: history of window eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

I actually did like Word Perfect for DOS.  I used it in colledge to 
write all my term papers and someone there actually created a macro for 
setting up the papers in the proper format.  When I finally went to 
windows, 'windows98' I had a version of Word Perfect which I used until 
I broke down and purchased Office 95.  My first and only DOS screen 
reader was something called TinyTalk which I really liked if nopt for 
any other reason than the fact that it was very cheap in comparison to 
the other screen readers at that time.  I also used a program called 
Procom for amateur packet radio and some basic internet work.  WOW, how 
far we have come since those days!  Thanks for the walk down memory 
lain! Have A Good 1! de


.


On 21-Oct-16 10:01, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Pam and David,

Oh, yes, I remember them, and what a trip down memory lane that was.
I also remember placing those commands in macros since I disliked all that key 
punching. (grin)

Thanks for the trip,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:30 AM
To: David Goldfield ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: history of window eyes

I actually don't remember the commands you are talking about.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

What I'm about to say might almost be considered heresy by some but, to
be honest, I felt like I was the only blind computer user on the entire
planet who never took to Wordperfect for DOS. Had I given it more of a
chance I likely would have warmed up to it. I just found the whole
command set so unintuitive. It seemed like some commands required you to
press home, home pageup or home, home, pagedown and, to me, this just
never made sense. I'm so glad that Word and other Windows-based word
processors have not only provided us with standard keyboard commands but
ones which seem far ore intuitive.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

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On 10/18/2016 11:38 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi!

I sure do! I used WP from 5.0 through 6.2 for dos and briefly ran
WP7.0 on a windows 98 system.  It just seemed to be easier to use for
some reason.  Catch Ya All Later! de

.


On 18-Oct-16 00:36, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:

Many of us still miss word perfect.

On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, David Goldfield via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.

In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that
many
have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the
Bns to
be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new
features to
try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time.
Its
name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the
SSIL
library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
more than a few years.

This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
locating it.



 David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:

Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided

Re: All software speech synthesizers stopped working?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I fixed the issue.  All I had to do is, shutdown the computer and restart it 
and all is working as it should.


-Original Message- 
From: Kim Lingo

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 8:06 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: All software speech synthesizers stopped working?

I don't know--go back to Windows 7, maybe?  (grin)
Kim Lingo

- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Kiehne via Talk" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 7:18 AM
Subject: All software speech synthesizers stopped working?


   I’m running Windows 10 and all of my software speech synthesizers 
stopped working.  How do I fix this issue?

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Re: All software speech synthesizers stopped working?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I have system sounds and can play music with winamp.  It’s only the 
softwarespeech synthesizers that won’t work.

From: Loy 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 7:45 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: All software speech synthesizers stopped working?

You did not say if all sounds were gone, if so your sound card may have gotten 
muted.  Restart WE and that will un mute the sound card.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:18 AM
  Subject: All software speech synthesizers stopped working?

  I’m running Windows 10 and all of my software speech synthesizers stopped 
working.  How do I fix this issue?
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Re: All software speech synthesizers stopped working?

[Loy via Talk]

You did not say if all sounds were gone, if so your sound card may have gotten 
muted.  Restart WE and that will un mute the sound card.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:18 AM
  Subject: All software speech synthesizers stopped working?


  I’m running Windows 10 and all of my software speech synthesizers stopped 
working.  How do I fix this issue?
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All software speech synthesizers stopped working?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I’m running Windows 10 and all of my software speech synthesizers stopped 
working.  How do I fix this issue?
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RE: history of window eyes

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Pam and David,

Oh, yes, I remember them, and what a trip down memory lane that was.
I also remember placing those commands in macros since I disliked all that key 
punching. (grin)

Thanks for the trip,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:30 AM
To: David Goldfield ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: history of window eyes

I actually don't remember the commands you are talking about.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

What I'm about to say might almost be considered heresy by some but, to
be honest, I felt like I was the only blind computer user on the entire
planet who never took to Wordperfect for DOS. Had I given it more of a
chance I likely would have warmed up to it. I just found the whole
command set so unintuitive. It seemed like some commands required you to
press home, home pageup or home, home, pagedown and, to me, this just
never made sense. I'm so glad that Word and other Windows-based word
processors have not only provided us with standard keyboard commands but
ones which seem far ore intuitive.


   David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 10/18/2016 11:38 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I sure do! I used WP from 5.0 through 6.2 for dos and briefly ran
> WP7.0 on a windows 98 system.  It just seemed to be easier to use for
> some reason.  Catch Ya All Later! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 18-Oct-16 00:36, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:
>> Many of us still miss word perfect.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, David Goldfield via Talk <
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
>>>
>>> In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
>>> Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
>>> correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that
>>> many
>>> have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
>>> Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
>>> May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
>>> Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
>>> a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the
>>> Bns to
>>> be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
>>> 2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new
>>> features to
>>> try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time.
>>> Its
>>> name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
>>> Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
>>> Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
>>> It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the
>>> SSIL
>>> library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
>>> the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
>>> screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
>>> corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
>>> about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
>>> Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
>>> more than a few years.
>>>
>>> This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
>>> talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
>>> technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
>>> established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
>>> locating it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Goldfield,
>>> Assistive Technology Specialist
>>>
>>> Feel free to visit my Web site
>>> WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
>>>
>>> On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
 Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
 was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
 interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
 purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
 5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
 $3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
 I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
 Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
 offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
 reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.

 Jeff

 At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
> Fresno 

Re: history of window eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I actually don't remember the commands you are talking about.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: David Goldfield via Talk

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: history of window eyes

What I'm about to say might almost be considered heresy by some but, to
be honest, I felt like I was the only blind computer user on the entire
planet who never took to Wordperfect for DOS. Had I given it more of a
chance I likely would have warmed up to it. I just found the whole
command set so unintuitive. It seemed like some commands required you to
press home, home pageup or home, home, pagedown and, to me, this just
never made sense. I'm so glad that Word and other Windows-based word
processors have not only provided us with standard keyboard commands but
ones which seem far ore intuitive.


  David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 10/18/2016 11:38 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi!

I sure do! I used WP from 5.0 through 6.2 for dos and briefly ran
WP7.0 on a windows 98 system.  It just seemed to be easier to use for
some reason.  Catch Ya All Later! de

.


On 18-Oct-16 00:36, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:

Many of us still miss word perfect.

On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, David Goldfield via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.

In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that
many
have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the
Bns to
be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new
features to
try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time.
Its
name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the
SSIL
library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
more than a few years.

This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
locating it.



David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:

Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
$3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.

Jeff

At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had
originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only
partially sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.
Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk,
so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed
Screen Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his
screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to
that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.

Dave

At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:

I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
of