Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Russ,

I know I have to turn it on. Trouble is, I don't know how. When I find the 
Spelling button on the ribbon, It just says "Disabled" and I can't get in 
and turn it on. Neither pressing spacebar nor the Enter key works. I have 
been asked to press F7 but that doesn't work either.


Suggestions, pleease.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne

Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 9:36 PM
To: peter Chin ; steve.jacob...@visi.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

You have to go into wlm settings and turn on spell check.

-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin

Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 3:25 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Using Window-Eyes 9.5.4, I find that I  can access most of WLM accept for
the fact that for some unknown reason, my spellcheck is disabled and I don't
know how to enable it.
-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:48 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

IN my case, window eyes works a lot better than nvda in windows live mail.
The tripletalk usb addon for nvda doesn't support indexing.

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Jacobson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:06 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

If we are going to be fair about this discussion, VFO can't just throw the
Window-Eyes code into JAWS.  I also think it is reasonable to keep in mind
the fact that they really wanted ZoomText so probably didn't give a lot of
thought about Window-Eyes.  It's likely nobody cried at VFO over the idea of
Window-Eyes being discontinued, and I think Freedom Scientific's lawsuits
were unjustified and clearly a means to crush competition.  However, a case
can easily be made that NVDA did quite a lot to cut into business that would
have gone to Window-Eyes as well.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing
NVDA, it wasn't their intent, but a good free screen reader cut into
perspective Window-Eyes customers more than JAWS customers because
Window-Eyes had worked hard to work with customers on a budget.  The Office
offer, the Lease to Own approach, and the slightly lower price was aimed at
individuals rather than agencies.  As nice as those programs were, it was
easier for many of those people to go to NVDA which has become a respectable
screen reader.

It is really hard these days to make a claim that any screen reader is the
best.  It depends so much upon on how one uses it.  I have moved to JAWS
because there are programs that I use at work for which JAWS works well, as
did Window-Eyes, but where NVDA did not work well.  There are still things
about Window-Eyes that I like better, but I am getting used to the different
way JAWS handles certain things.  Certainly, many people will find that NVDA
does everything they need.  I find JAWS more responsive in some instances,
but that isn't going to be important to everybody.  In short, certainly I
will continue to miss some of the things that Window-Eyes did, but one can
manage to make the change if one has to.  What I hope to never forget are
the people who were behind Window-Eyes, the developers and the customer
support people.  I will always believe that if finances and market pressures
would have been different than what they were and if Window-Eyes had gotten
a few breaks along the way, Window-Eyes would have emerged as the superior
screen reader.

We are in a changing environment.  JAWS is going to have to change some if
NVDA continues to gain strength and if Microsoft continues to make
improvements to Narrator.  It costs somebody a good deal of money to keep
screen readers stable and up-to-date, whether it is SMA's donations, or
corporate funding in the case of Microsoft.  Those who say NVDA is free are
not being honest with themselves.  It means someone else is paying for their
ability to have a free screen reader, even if there is some voluntary
efforts involved.  We should be thankful this is the case but we need to
also be aware of it.  I used Window-Eyes on the job for almost twenty years,
and some have used JAWS longer.  To work efficiently in an employment
setting, one needs a very stable program, and changes cut into ones
productivity.  I am some concerned about what will be happening over the
next five or ten years, because I don't think we have finished with changes
to access technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Dennis Long 
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

I think reserving

Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Oops!  I forgot about that aspect.  Sorry.

Carol


On 10/15/2017 9:06 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I assume that you have Winamp Scripts, Jeff Bishop's app, installed?
I don't have his app installed, and so these keystrokes don't work for me.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: October 15, 2017 6:45 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Hello.  The keys for shifting the balance are shift plus alt plus the
five keys from left to right (unless your speakers are reversed) h is
all the way to the left, j is partially left, k is centered, l is
partially right and semicolon is all the way to the right.  This should
help bring the volumes closer together.

Carol


On 10/15/2017 12:27 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

I stopped using Winamp a while ago, so I can't remember how easy this
was to do. But perhaps you inadvertently shifted the balance one tick.
Good luck,
Tom


On 10/14/2017 3:08 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry,

No, I am not using surround sound. I'm using sterio. It's just the
one side is slightly softer than the other so I don't get the central
sound when the announcer is speaking. The original default sound was
surround but I changed it to sterio.

Thanks any way. Maybe someone else will have some suggestion.

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 4:43 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Peter, Sorry, but I didn't realize that you were referring to surround
sound. I'm still  using old fashioned stereo here, and like it that way
. However, Winamp is also supposed to handle surround sound, so I
would just keep inquiring, and maybe you will come up with an answer.
This must be more than a little frustrating.


Good luck, and once again, sorry  I couldn't help.


Larry


On 10/10/2017 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry,

Sorry for not having written to you as promised. I have been bogged
down with other things and, have to admit it, just forgot.

I tried to follow your instructions by pressing alt+shift+k but
couldn't find how to adjust the volume of individual channels.

Thanks any way.
-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:12 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Peter, I saw your previous queries concerning Winamp, but saw it a day
after it was originally posted, so thought someone might have already
answered your questions. I will try to answer the questions I think I
can, and leave the rest to those who might be more expert on the rest.


When it comes to balancing channels, just press alt+shift+k while
playing an audio file or stream and you will be in business.


To read the title, press ctrl+shift+t.


When it comes to the volume with MIDI files, the only thing I might
suggest is to turn on your equalizer alt+g, then ctrl+tab to focus on
it, and then use your preamp settings, and turn them all the way up.
This will only work using a screen reader, particularly Window-Eyes if
you have the Winamp scripts installed. Otherwise, the equalizer is
almost impossible to work with  by a blind user.


Your Winamp keys are tab for turning down the volume of the preamp, and
grave accent for increasing the volume.

  Turning the equalizer up is not the answer in every situation, because
on some files, turning it full blast can cause a lot of unwanted
distortion.


Now, after having said all that, I'm not really sure if the equalizer
will work with MIDI files, because I haven't played around with those
things for many a year, but it can't hurt to give it a try.


To save the settings permanently, while in the equalizer, press the
letter s, and you will see an option to save presets. Give those
settings that you have just made to a file with a name of your
choosing,
and if you wish to use those settings again, you can reload them at any
time you like. The file will be placed in the list of the various
settings that Winamp makes available.



HTH,

Larry

On 9/25/2017 5:37 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,


I have a few questions about WinAmp which I hope the experts can
help me

with.


1. I notice that when playing an audio file in Winamp, one channel
sounds

just a little softer than the other. This is not the case when I
play the

same file in Windows Media  player. Is there any way I can adjust
the volume

of

each channel individually?


2. While playing an audio file in Winamp, is there a key stroke I
can use to

read the title of the file?


3. When I play a MIDI file in my collection, the volume drops to
very low

even though Winamp shows that I am playing the file at 100% volume.
I can go

to the 

RE: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Carol,

I assume that you have Winamp Scripts, Jeff Bishop's app, installed?
I don't have his app installed, and so these keystrokes don't work for me.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: October 15, 2017 6:45 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Hello.  The keys for shifting the balance are shift plus alt plus the 
five keys from left to right (unless your speakers are reversed) h is 
all the way to the left, j is partially left, k is centered, l is 
partially right and semicolon is all the way to the right.  This should 
help bring the volumes closer together.

Carol


On 10/15/2017 12:27 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> I stopped using Winamp a while ago, so I can't remember how easy this 
> was to do. But perhaps you inadvertently shifted the balance one tick.
> Good luck,
> Tom
>
>
> On 10/14/2017 3:08 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
>> Hello Larry,
>>
>> No, I am not using surround sound. I'm using sterio. It's just the 
>> one side is slightly softer than the other so I don't get the central 
>> sound when the announcer is speaking. The original default sound was 
>> surround but I changed it to sterio.
>>
>> Thanks any way. Maybe someone else will have some suggestion.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 4:43 AM
>> To: peter Chin via Talk
>> Cc: Larry Higgins
>> Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts
>>
>> Peter, Sorry, but I didn't realize that you were referring to surround
>> sound. I'm still  using old fashioned stereo here, and like it that way
>> . However, Winamp is also supposed to handle surround sound, so I
>> would just keep inquiring, and maybe you will come up with an answer.
>> This must be more than a little frustrating.
>>
>>
>> Good luck, and once again, sorry  I couldn't help.
>>
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> On 10/10/2017 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
>>> Hello Larry,
>>>
>>> Sorry for not having written to you as promised. I have been bogged 
>>> down with other things and, have to admit it, just forgot.
>>>
>>> I tried to follow your instructions by pressing alt+shift+k but 
>>> couldn't find how to adjust the volume of individual channels.
>>>
>>> Thanks any way.
>>> -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:12 PM
>>> To: peter Chin via Talk
>>> Cc: Larry Higgins
>>> Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts
>>>
>>> Peter, I saw your previous queries concerning Winamp, but saw it a day
>>> after it was originally posted, so thought someone might have already
>>> answered your questions. I will try to answer the questions I think I
>>> can, and leave the rest to those who might be more expert on the rest.
>>>
>>>
>>> When it comes to balancing channels, just press alt+shift+k while
>>> playing an audio file or stream and you will be in business.
>>>
>>>
>>> To read the title, press ctrl+shift+t.
>>>
>>>
>>> When it comes to the volume with MIDI files, the only thing I might
>>> suggest is to turn on your equalizer alt+g, then ctrl+tab to focus on
>>> it, and then use your preamp settings, and turn them all the way up.
>>> This will only work using a screen reader, particularly Window-Eyes if
>>> you have the Winamp scripts installed. Otherwise, the equalizer is
>>> almost impossible to work with  by a blind user.
>>>
>>>
>>> Your Winamp keys are tab for turning down the volume of the preamp, and
>>> grave accent for increasing the volume.
>>>
>>>  Turning the equalizer up is not the answer in every situation, because
>>> on some files, turning it full blast can cause a lot of unwanted
>>> distortion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, after having said all that, I'm not really sure if the equalizer
>>> will work with MIDI files, because I haven't played around with those
>>> things for many a year, but it can't hurt to give it a try.
>>>
>>>
>>> To save the settings permanently, while in the equalizer, press the
>>> letter s, and you will see an option to save presets. Give those
>>> settings that you have just made to a file with a name of your 
>>> choosing,
>>> and if you wish to use those settings again, you can reload them at any
>>> time you like. The file will be placed in the list of the various
>>> settings that Winamp makes available.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> On 9/25/2017 5:37 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
 Hello all,


 I have a few questions about WinAmp which I hope the experts can 
 help me

 with.


 1. I notice that when playing an audio file in Winamp, one channel 
 sounds

 just a little softer than the other. This is not the case when I 
 play the

 same file in Windows Media  player. Is there any way I can adjust 
 the 

Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hello.  The keys for shifting the balance are shift plus alt plus the 
five keys from left to right (unless your speakers are reversed) h is 
all the way to the left, j is partially left, k is centered, l is 
partially right and semicolon is all the way to the right.  This should 
help bring the volumes closer together.


Carol


On 10/15/2017 12:27 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
I stopped using Winamp a while ago, so I can't remember how easy this 
was to do. But perhaps you inadvertently shifted the balance one tick.

Good luck,
Tom


On 10/14/2017 3:08 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry,

No, I am not using surround sound. I'm using sterio. It's just the 
one side is slightly softer than the other so I don't get the central 
sound when the announcer is speaking. The original default sound was 
surround but I changed it to sterio.


Thanks any way. Maybe someone else will have some suggestion.

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 4:43 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Peter, Sorry, but I didn't realize that you were referring to surround
sound. I'm still  using old fashioned stereo here, and like it that way
. However, Winamp is also supposed to handle surround sound, so I
would just keep inquiring, and maybe you will come up with an answer.
This must be more than a little frustrating.


Good luck, and once again, sorry  I couldn't help.


Larry


On 10/10/2017 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry,

Sorry for not having written to you as promised. I have been bogged 
down with other things and, have to admit it, just forgot.


I tried to follow your instructions by pressing alt+shift+k but 
couldn't find how to adjust the volume of individual channels.


Thanks any way.
-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:12 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Need Help From WinAmp Experts

Peter, I saw your previous queries concerning Winamp, but saw it a day
after it was originally posted, so thought someone might have already
answered your questions. I will try to answer the questions I think I
can, and leave the rest to those who might be more expert on the rest.


When it comes to balancing channels, just press alt+shift+k while
playing an audio file or stream and you will be in business.


To read the title, press ctrl+shift+t.


When it comes to the volume with MIDI files, the only thing I might
suggest is to turn on your equalizer alt+g, then ctrl+tab to focus on
it, and then use your preamp settings, and turn them all the way up.
This will only work using a screen reader, particularly Window-Eyes if
you have the Winamp scripts installed. Otherwise, the equalizer is
almost impossible to work with  by a blind user.


Your Winamp keys are tab for turning down the volume of the preamp, and
grave accent for increasing the volume.

 Turning the equalizer up is not the answer in every situation, because
on some files, turning it full blast can cause a lot of unwanted
distortion.


Now, after having said all that, I'm not really sure if the equalizer
will work with MIDI files, because I haven't played around with those
things for many a year, but it can't hurt to give it a try.


To save the settings permanently, while in the equalizer, press the
letter s, and you will see an option to save presets. Give those
settings that you have just made to a file with a name of your 
choosing,

and if you wish to use those settings again, you can reload them at any
time you like. The file will be placed in the list of the various
settings that Winamp makes available.



HTH,

Larry

On 9/25/2017 5:37 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,


I have a few questions about WinAmp which I hope the experts can 
help me


with.


1. I notice that when playing an audio file in Winamp, one channel 
sounds


just a little softer than the other. This is not the case when I 
play the


same file in Windows Media  player. Is there any way I can adjust 
the volume


of

each channel individually?


2. While playing an audio file in Winamp, is there a key stroke I 
can use to


read the title of the file?


3. When I play a MIDI file in my collection, the volume drops to 
very low


even though Winamp shows that I am playing the file at 100% volume. 
I can go


to the System tray and crank up the volume, but as soon as the file is

played, the volume drops when I play the file again. This behaviour 
doesn't


happen when I play MIDI files on line. What can I do to make the 
volume


setting permanent?


4. I have heard that WinAmp can be used to play flash player files on

YouTube. Is this true and how is it done if it is so?



My OS is Windows 8.1. I am using the "free" version  of Window-Eyes 
9.5.4


and I have both the WinAmp apps from Rod and Geoff Bishop. My 
WinAmp version


is 5.666.



Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

RE: an NFL query

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Try installing flash.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Jesse delMuro via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 1:57 AM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk
Cc: Jesse delMuro
Subject: an NFL query

Hi guys!  Just wondering, how to enable playback in Internet Explorer of NFL 
Audiopass?  I know it works since it plays in Firefox but am not sure what 
setting or icon to change.


I can _use Firefox but seem to favor IE and am not sure how, or what, to 
enable to make it go in IE as it does in Firefox so any help much appreciated.

Timeas gone by, all I needed was Flash and it hummed like that. 
Anyway, in 2017, not sure how to enable playback in IE, similar to that in 
Firefox.  Again, thanks and any help much appreciated.
Jesse
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