RE: W E and Thunderbird
Try to switch from html view to text view messages in thunderbird it should work better with window eyes obviously you'll loose the hyperlinks capability unless you don't switch to jaws or nvda Have a nice day michael -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Donald Roberts via Talk Sent: Sunday, 18 July 2021 22:18 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: Donald Roberts Subject: W E and Thunderbird CAUTION: This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. If no one on this list uses both Window-eyes 9.5.4 as well as Thunderbird 78.1.10, I am probably up the creek without a paddle. I should also mention that I am running probably the latest version of Windows 10 on an HP elite book 840. I have never had the below problem on older versions of Thunderbird, but I just installed the latest version of Thunderbird on this new laptop. It is difficult to describe because I can't find a consistent pattern in addition to which it shows up but far less frequently when using Jaws 2021. At any rate what happens is that the message lists work fine, but when I open an individual message, I see normal headers and all links, absolutely no message body. On one occasion when using W E and attempting to read a TB message, I saw something which said something like "document to saved files" or something similar. The intermittent problems are of course the most difficult to diagnose. When I checked in Thunderbird, Thunderbird.set is loaded, and of course that wave file of the birds loaded as well. Sorry for the seemingly unrelated frragments of info, but as stated previously, I can't find a consistent pattern, and I am tearing out what little hair I have left. A few months ago, Rod Hutton mentioned some problematic files with recent versions of Windows 10 and W E. This seems unlikely in this instance because Jaws also occasionally shows this issue. At this point I feel compelled to ask whether there is any other viable email option. The version of mail which comes with Windows 10 is in my opinion a bad joke. W E can read the message list and the reading pain, but pressing enter accomplishes nothing. If I use Jaws with mail, I can read the entire message, but Jaws won't announce the sender's name unless I have misconfigured it. Ideas please. Thanks. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fmichael.micallef%2540gov.mtdata=04%7C01%7Cmichael.micallef%40gov.mt%7Cab447674b3c144ded08b08d94a2924db%7C34cdd9f55db849bcacba01f65cca680d%7C0%7C0%7C637622363292430719%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=SBOzjzCC6Kr07POoSk5hZTzU4HBg8Sjb%2B20rgVe0xEw%3Dreserved=0. For subscription options, visit https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.comdata=04%7C01%7Cmichael.micallef%40gov.mt%7Cab447674b3c144ded08b08d94a2924db%7C34cdd9f55db849bcacba01f65cca680d%7C0%7C0%7C637622363292430719%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=%2BBui8WRqZdrOsQyKqqpuyir3%2BH9MYYmZYqovyRLV1yY%3Dreserved=0 List archives can be found at https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.comdata=04%7C01%7Cmichael.micallef%40gov.mt%7Cab447674b3c144ded08b08d94a2924db%7C34cdd9f55db849bcacba01f65cca680d%7C0%7C0%7C637622363292430719%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=27qRos3AQy7lmhc8U4UwqkRsaqnv6%2B%2F6WVedaCPZtBU%3Dreserved=0 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: W E and Thunderbird
One thing you might take notice of is that WE will not read the options dialog box. I loaded NVDA at the same time, and NVDA read the options flawlessly, I guess, but WE would definitely not read them at all. On 7/18/2021 5:24 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote: you may re-load t-bird so WE can get a focus, I've had some success that way. Curtis Delzer HS K 6 V F O Rialto, CA cur...@calweb.com On 7/18/2021 1:17 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote: If no one on this list uses both Window-eyes 9.5.4 as well as Thunderbird 78.1.10, I am probably up the creek without a paddle. I should also mention that I am running probably the latest version of Windows 10 on an HP elite book 840. I have never had the below problem on older versions of Thunderbird, but I just installed the latest version of Thunderbird on this new laptop. It is difficult to describe because I can't find a consistent pattern in addition to which it shows up but far less frequently when using Jaws 2021. At any rate what happens is that the message lists work fine, but when I open an individual message, I see normal headers and all links, absolutely no message body. On one occasion when using W E and attempting to read a TB message, I saw something which said something like "document to saved files" or something similar. The intermittent problems are of course the most difficult to diagnose. When I checked in Thunderbird, Thunderbird.set is loaded, and of course that wave file of the birds loaded as well. Sorry for the seemingly unrelated frragments of info, but as stated previously, I can't find a consistent pattern, and I am tearing out what little hair I have left. A few months ago, Rod Hutton mentioned some problematic files with recent versions of Windows 10 and W E. This seems unlikely in this instance because Jaws also occasionally shows this issue. At this point I feel compelled to ask whether there is any other viable email option. The version of mail which comes with Windows 10 is in my opinion a bad joke. W E can read the message list and the reading pain, but pressing enter accomplishes nothing. If I use Jaws with mail, I can read the entire message, but Jaws won't announce the sender's name unless I have misconfigured it. Ideas please. Thanks. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/curtis%40calweb.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: W E and Thunderbird
you may re-load t-bird so WE can get a focus, I've had some success that way. Curtis Delzer HS K 6 V F O Rialto, CA cur...@calweb.com On 7/18/2021 1:17 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote: If no one on this list uses both Window-eyes 9.5.4 as well as Thunderbird 78.1.10, I am probably up the creek without a paddle. I should also mention that I am running probably the latest version of Windows 10 on an HP elite book 840. I have never had the below problem on older versions of Thunderbird, but I just installed the latest version of Thunderbird on this new laptop. It is difficult to describe because I can't find a consistent pattern in addition to which it shows up but far less frequently when using Jaws 2021. At any rate what happens is that the message lists work fine, but when I open an individual message, I see normal headers and all links, absolutely no message body. On one occasion when using W E and attempting to read a TB message, I saw something which said something like "document to saved files" or something similar. The intermittent problems are of course the most difficult to diagnose. When I checked in Thunderbird, Thunderbird.set is loaded, and of course that wave file of the birds loaded as well. Sorry for the seemingly unrelated frragments of info, but as stated previously, I can't find a consistent pattern, and I am tearing out what little hair I have left. A few months ago, Rod Hutton mentioned some problematic files with recent versions of Windows 10 and W E. This seems unlikely in this instance because Jaws also occasionally shows this issue. At this point I feel compelled to ask whether there is any other viable email option. The version of mail which comes with Windows 10 is in my opinion a bad joke. W E can read the message list and the reading pain, but pressing enter accomplishes nothing. If I use Jaws with mail, I can read the entire message, but Jaws won't announce the sender's name unless I have misconfigured it. Ideas please. Thanks. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/curtis%40calweb.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
W E and Thunderbird
If no one on this list uses both Window-eyes 9.5.4 as well as Thunderbird 78.1.10, I am probably up the creek without a paddle. I should also mention that I am running probably the latest version of Windows 10 on an HP elite book 840. I have never had the below problem on older versions of Thunderbird, but I just installed the latest version of Thunderbird on this new laptop. It is difficult to describe because I can't find a consistent pattern in addition to which it shows up but far less frequently when using Jaws 2021. At any rate what happens is that the message lists work fine, but when I open an individual message, I see normal headers and all links, absolutely no message body. On one occasion when using W E and attempting to read a TB message, I saw something which said something like "document to saved files" or something similar. The intermittent problems are of course the most difficult to diagnose. When I checked in Thunderbird, Thunderbird.set is loaded, and of course that wave file of the birds loaded as well. Sorry for the seemingly unrelated frragments of info, but as stated previously, I can't find a consistent pattern, and I am tearing out what little hair I have left. A few months ago, Rod Hutton mentioned some problematic files with recent versions of Windows 10 and W E. This seems unlikely in this instance because Jaws also occasionally shows this issue. At this point I feel compelled to ask whether there is any other viable email option. The version of mail which comes with Windows 10 is in my opinion a bad joke. W E can read the message list and the reading pain, but pressing enter accomplishes nothing. If I use Jaws with mail, I can read the entire message, but Jaws won't announce the sender's name unless I have misconfigured it. Ideas please. Thanks. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
