Re: Test

[Brian Moore via Talk]

wow, didn't think this thing still worked. Not sure what the point is 
since Window-eyes is no longer available but it does work.



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Re: Worth reading

[Brian Moore via Talk]

yeah, us foreign canadians can't get that one.  it is geo blocked.



On 10/17/2017 2:36 PM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi:
Every time I go to the page, I get the message that "this video is not
available".
Kevin Huber

On 10/11/17, Brenda via Talk  wrote:

Hey Reeva

Thanks for sharing the link - now I don't feel so bad - and fellow
Window-Eyes users we are not alone.

I was going to say I used jaws successfully and with better success to
view the video, but then I tried to reply to this email and jaws froze
and I had to shut it down and restart it.

Thanks again Reeva for sharing.
Brenda

On 10/11/2017 6:53 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

I'm just gonna leave this here. Any of this sound familiar?

https://youtu.be/00wQYmvfhn4

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night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Oct 11, 2017 5:40 AM, "Charles Adkins via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


let me make one thing clear, I am not bitter. I am not sure about what
merge is being talked about, Window-eyes was dropped, not merged with
Jaws.
My point was Vfo had the chance to retain the best of Window-eyes and
jaws
in both technology and people and produce one hell of a screen reader
unlike anything the world has ever seen and they chose not to do that,
they
just trashed their "compeditor" completely like they never existed.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 11, 2017, at 5:05 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk <

talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Hi Josh,

As for Office support in NVDA, as I am subscribed to Office 365, and

will be for the  foreseeable future, I will be using NVDA to navigate it
should Window-Eyes no longer suffice.

I've been keeping my ear to the ground, though, and I know that Office

support for NVDA is a high priority.

We'll keep everyone posted.
As I've said, I will not be using the offering of the enemy of GW
Micro.

Best,

Rod

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window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: October 10, 2017 6:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Josh Kennedy 
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

oh  well then maybe I will just stay with NVDA and I may not bother
buying jaws, not sure yet. I heard jaws has better microsoft office
support than NVDA does. But maybe that is no longer true?




On 10/10/2017 1:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
you might as well junk it now.
2018 release will be in about 2 weeks.
f s has had the same 27 years as window eyes had  and it still doesn't
work as good.
i can't even pay my credit card with it. a web page that is suppose to
be jaws compatible doesn't work.
window eyes works fine.
money talks. if gwmicro was the one that had all the money it would of
been f s that would be out of business now.

-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:01 AM
To: Chuck Adkins via Talk
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Chuck,


I agree with you!  My s m as were carried over from W E, but when I
have
to pay for an upgrade, Jaws will disappear from my computer.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:
Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery
Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: Easiest way to open an attachment in Thunderbird?

[Brian Moore via Talk]

Hi.  alt+m for the message menu and then h to get to the attachments.  
then right arrow on the one you want to get a menu of open save or delete.




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All,
I'm helping Nick on this list with an Excel attachment.  He uses Thunderbird 
and I use Outlook, so I'm not sure the easiest way for him to open the 
attachment in Thunderbird.  He's hearing some special characters that I'm not 
getting, so I think there must be something in the way he's viewing the 
attachment.

Can one of you Thunderbird users hit "reply all" and tell Nick the easiest way 
to open an Excel attachment in Thunderbird?


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Re: Thank you

[Brian Moore via Talk]

I do as well.  As a very happy Window-eyes user for any years, I want to 
offer thanks for a really good product.





On 16/05/2017 7:42 AM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:
I also want to add my thanks to you Doug and all the workers who made 
Window-Eyes possible.

God bless you and your families.

Pastor Gil

-Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:26 PM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Thank you

Thank you Doug, for all that you've done.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:25 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Thank you

Hello Doug.

Just a personal note, in which I acknowledge to you the dignity with 
which

you've handled the last few months.

I am genuinely sorry that Window-Eyes is no longer a work in progress.
It is true that I've been at the forefront of the criticism tossed at VFO
regarding its silence on matters pertaining to Window-eyes.

But I can say in all honesty that as I think the first person to benefit
from the VFO offer - it is a good faith one, and it looks as if access
technology and Windows through VFO might be entering a new and exciting
phase.

So again: a personal thanks for how you've been a positive influence 
in my

life through a great piece of software.

All the very best to you and the family for what is yet to come.

Vaughan.


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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Brian Moore via Talk]

Yeah, I saw this stuff on twitter too.  However, nothing on the vfo web 
site.


Haven't been able to verify this from any credible source?

seems a bit suspect to me.



On 13/05/2017 3:40 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

...and yet another tweet from my tl. Take it how you want:

@mikelauf1: Some time next week, users of Window-Eyes will be given the
chance to upgrade to JFW 18 for free after filling out a form.

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/863134385087926273

We's future looking really bright now, right?


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night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 11, 2017 10:22 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Hello all. I don't post much here, but I read a few messages here and there.


It's amazing how many differing messages there are on all of this and yet
most of them without actual facts. *smile*. Because VFO Group now is the
actual company, there is no more competition between Jaws and Window-Eyes,
no more competition between Magic and ZoomText, ETC. At least not in the
technical sense. It's all a part of one larger umbrela. I think many people
have a bad taste in their mouth because they are remembering the name
Freedom Scientific and what the company has done under certain leadership.
That doesn't make Jaws a bad product.  That's like when Coke changed their
formula a long time ago in a galaxy far away. Some liked it and some hated
it. Some will still remember that bad experience and still think of Coke
that way even though ti's been different for a very long time.


Instead of speculating, how about we wait and see what happens. This
constant back and forth does nothing but get people's anxiety up. As has
been said before, people will have choice. Whether those choices are ones
they would choose is anyone's guess.


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On 5/7/2017 2:17 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:


When Vince McMahon purchased world championship wrestling, he now lets
their showers be played on demand on the WWE network, but there are no more
W CW shows. I'm sure that current versions of Window-Eyes, will still be
allowed to be used, but it does not sound like they will continue to update
it, because, Freedom Scientific is the number one source in town, and so
there is no need for them to push another screen reader, especially if it
is their competition.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk <

talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that
lawsuit
they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to destroy
Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee Hamilton.  Then,
Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over and then, in November
of
2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom Scientific.  And then, on June
14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and then, in August of that year, John
Blake moved back to upstate New York, with Tom Teerman as the new
president
and CEO, who is sighted but has family connections to blindness due to
glaucoma.  He did say in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma
eventually.  So, Richard Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the
sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but
might eventually get Glaucoma.



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Re: making the switch

[Brian Moore via Talk]

Hi Jim.  the really big thing was really frequent silence when web 
browsers would get stuck.  This also happened a lot with outlook which I 
am forced to use at work.



We had the best calendar interface I have still ever seen for outlook, 
particularly when you work in a large org like I do and need to use it 
frequently but when I closed outlook, it would often go silent and I 
would have to fire up nvda to recover. Also, the lack of mouse key 
review in windows 8.1 and 10 made screen review things quite difficult.



I downloaded the free version of 9.5.4 since my licensed copy is only 
9.1 and it does seem a little better.  I would probably pay the 50 bucks 
to upgrade it but not when I have to wait for some dealer to buy it, put 
a mark up on it and then allow me to download it at some later date.  
Used to be able to order online or call up gwmicro and they would take 
my credit card number on the phone and we would be good but no longer.



I used to work at a local dealer and was their we expert and pushed it 
whenever I could but it doesn't seem quite as good to me anymore.



Brian.


On 04/04/2017 10:16 AM, Jim wrote:


 Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you 
though, I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with 
WE.  I would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no 
longer does efficiently.  I have for the most part found each 
subsequent release of WE to be considerably improved.  Oh, there are a 
few things that I would like to see it do, but those things I cannot 
do with NVDA or Narator either.  Just curious as to your issues with WE?


THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
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On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While 
I still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased 
in performance since version 7. While there have been some steps 
forward certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups 
and things which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled 
it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the 
time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some things 
I would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  
I have not even tried it on windows 10.



Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my 
upgrade online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for 
some third party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth 
the head ache anymore..



I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy 
customer but 9.1 will be the last version I own.



Brian.


On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?

And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system 
can be.


Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.
And

yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read 
are

smaller.

In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would 
all be

seriously looking at Narrator.

And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while. And
others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, 
which

puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.

So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, 
and

what you actually need the system to do for you.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: making the switch

[Brian Moore via Talk]

Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I 
still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased in 
performance since version 7.  While there have been some steps forward 
certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups and things 
which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled it from all 
but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the time.  Sure, it 
was a learning curve and there are still some things I would argue that 
we does far better but nvda for me is very very stable and doesn't lock 
up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  I have not even tried it on 
windows 10.



Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my upgrade 
online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some third 
party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the head ache 
anymore..



I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy customer 
but 9.1 will be the last version I own.



Brian.


On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?

And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.

Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
smaller.

In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
seriously looking at Narrator.

And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while.  And
others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, which
puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.

So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
what you actually need the system to do for you.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Where are the informed comentators?

[Brian Moore via Talk]

well, one session with fusion and a couple of zoomtext 11 ones but 
nothing at all about window-eyes itself




On 02/24/2017 9:16 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
I did run across the following podcast.  I haven't listened to it as 
of yet. I hope someone asks the VFO group about the future of 
window-eyes at CSUN next week?


In news from VFO, FSCast Episode #137 features news about Freedom 
Scientific's presence at next week's CSUN conference and lots of talk 
about promised  future developments:

https://www.freedomscientific.com/About/FSCast


-Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:07 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Where are the informed comentators?

Hi all.

List member comments regarding VFO support once again raise the question
as to the future of Window-Eyes.  For those who do not like this thred -
hit delete "now."

But for me - the burning question for sometime has been the absence of
critical, informed insider comment.  We are in need of an informed
adaptive technology press, which by way of blog posts, interviews with
leaders and knowledgeable opinion expression, shed light on what is
happening in this access technology market place.

I have not seen evidence of anyone running an in-depth interview with
the executives of VFO.  Neither have I seen inciteful comment on VFO's
behaviours in areas such as customer relationships, product research and
development, and the appropriateness of private equity funding of access
technology.

Based solely on the evidence i've gleaned from personal observation and
the comments of fellow list members - VFO has no intention of
rejuvenating Window-eyes.  If the intentions were different, the"other
software" option that people have referred to when talking about
telephone support would say "Window-Eyes.  VFO has not contacted me as a
payed license holder to let me know of new offers and fancy tricks to
have me spend more money.  FS Podcasts are for the purposes of FS - 
not VFO.


Oh well: time to put on the armour against the flaming I might get.

Vaughan.


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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Brian Moore via Talk]

If he had, I would not be mentioning it on this list.

While this might be true, there are two things.

1. it is far too new to speculate on this.  The product structures, 
pricing changes if any etc have not been established yet.  While my 
personal view is that from a consumer perspective, it has lots of 
potential not to turn out well, that counts for nothing and we don't 
have any facts yet to support an anti-trust speculation.


2.  This is such a small industry, I doubt such a small market share 
company would attract the attention of regulators.


Brian.

On 06/14/2016 12:41 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi Doug:
Have you been contacted about anti-trust considerations?
Seems like with only the JAWS company ownership owning both Jaws and
WindowEyes there are not any other major competitiors out there and thus
this combination would be anti-competitive in nature.
I don't know if that applies to the current combination but has it been
bought up in discussions?
Rick USA

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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:19 PM
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Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific
and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad
thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There
are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or
so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this
point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a
certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great
leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and
available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to
have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision
and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is
still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we
have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all
they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes,
this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there
will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into
this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
Doug
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Re: Windows Defender and Window-Eyes

[Brian Moore via Talk]

Hi.  no, when its scan is complete, it just returns to the main screen 
unless it finds something and then you get a "clean pc" button with a 
details tab.  if you got nothing, this is a good sign.

Brian.

On 10/23/2015 1:10 PM, Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:


I received a message saying that Windows Defender needed to scan my 
computer I allowed this, but I never saw a message saying that the 
scan was complete. Is this a WindowEyes thing?

Thank you.

Peace.
Linette


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social-eyes

[Brian Moore via Talk]

HI.  is this thing still available.  because I am not in the u.s, 
catalog will not show for me anymore.


Since there is no physical product, not sure why I could order this 
before but not now.

Brian.
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Re: window eyes as a windows 10 store app?

[Brian Moore via Talk]

what would be the bennifit?  there would also be the issue of having to 
get it in the first place.  seems like a lot of effort for 0 bennifit.

Brian.

On 09/17/2015 10:41 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:
well maybe this could be rolled out over the next 5 to 10 years as 
eventualy we will all have to upgrade to 10 or above due to lack of 
win7 support.


follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 9/17/2015 10:31 AM, Singing Sparrow wrote:
if this were to be done what about people on windows 7 since apps 
like this could not be used if it was brought through the windows store?


On 9/17/2015 8:50 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

hi
are there any plans to make window eyes and window eyes for office 
into a windows app rather than the old style programs? I read apps 
are more secure and efficient than the old style programs. and they 
also uninstall lots more cleanly that is what i read.







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thunberbird questions.

[Brian Moore via Talk]

HI.  I am happy to answer any tb questions as well.  use it pretty much 
all day every day so have figured out most of it.  Still can't find an 
easy keybard way of sorting column headers but this has been an open bug 
in mozilla's tracker for a long time.



On 09/16/2015 1:46 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:

what do you want to know about thunderbird?

On 9/16/2015 12:39 PM, Bud Schwab via Talk wrote:

Hello,
Does anybody know of a current or an upcoming tutorial on windows 10 
and windoweyes 9.2 and Thunderbird.  They're all new to me and I have 
some questions about both.   GWMICRO has a great two part one but it 
is five years old and old versions which have changed a lot in five 
years. Thanks.

Bud
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Re: retrieving messages from tb trash

[Brian Moore via Talk]

HI.  you can also press the application key on a message and move it 
back to inbox or wherever you like as well as take a bunch of other 
actions on it.

Brian.

On 09/14/2015 1:19 PM, Natalie via Talk wrote:
Just shift-tab once and either hit T or better still go down the list 
of folders until you get to trash.  Then, as in the inbox, tab once to 
the list of documents and when you find the one you want just enter 
or, if that doesn't work, hit the spacebar once to select it and then 
hit enter.


Natalie

On 9/14/2015 1:08 PM, Bud Schwab via Talk wrote:

Hi Gang,
I have lost some emails so I presume they are in the trash.  In 
Thunderbird how does one get to the trash folder  and how can an 
email be retrieved?

Thanks.  I wish I knew more about what I'm doing, but I don't.
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