Re: VFO and Microsoft
There is as long as VFO decides to continue the partnership. -Original Message- From: Amanda Lee via Talk Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:00 AM To: Ray Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Martin Brown' Subject: Re: VFO and Microsoft Of course Ray there is Window-Eyes For Office It is only dependent upon at least a single-user license of Microsoft Office 2010 or later. - Original Message - From: "Ray Campbell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> To: "'Martin Brown'" <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com>; "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:29 PM Subject: RE: VFO and Microsoft Hi Martin: You already have an option if you don't want to pay extra for a screenreader and use Windows. It's called NVDA and it's pretty good. To your point about Microsoft, though, I agree, however, that is not the business model Microsoft has chosen to adopt like Apple has. However, since Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, they're getting closer having beefed up Narrator so you can actually do a few things with it. Thanks, Ray Campbell ray153...@gmail.com Skype: ray650315 Blog: farmers-boy.livejournal.com Twitter: @packerbackerray Facebook: www.facebook.com/packerbackerray Support the Illinois Council of the Blind at our GoFundMe page: www.gofundme.com/icb2015. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ray153056=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Martin Brown via Talk Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:18 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: VFO and Microsoft The thing that worries me, is not the possibility that there might be less choice of screen readers in the future, but that we will still have to purchase a screen reader at all. If a company like VFO has acquired the two largest screen readers in the assistive technology market, what does that say about Microsoft's commitment to finally doing what they should have done years ago: namely providing a fully functioning screen reader for its disabled customers. It is highly unlikely that a company like VFO is spending all that money if there was the slightest rumor that Microsoft was finally getting itself a social conscience. For all these years Microsoft has sat on its hands while others have taken up the challenge of helping blind and visually impaired people find a better quality of life. Thanks to the hard work of all the folks who have made Window-Eyes and JAWS the great success they both are, we blind computer users live fuller and more productive lives. However, I feel the time has come when it should no longer be necessary for blind users to pay an additional cost for being able to use the product of a multimillion dollar company. I wish all those who use, and participate in the production of adaptive technology, in these changing and challenging times all the best which ever way the wind blows. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ray153056%40gm ail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/amandainparadise777%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: VFO and Microsoft
Hi Martin: You already have an option if you don't want to pay extra for a screenreader and use Windows. It's called NVDA and it's pretty good. To your point about Microsoft, though, I agree, however, that is not the business model Microsoft has chosen to adopt like Apple has. However, since Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, they're getting closer having beefed up Narrator so you can actually do a few things with it. Thanks, Ray Campbell ray153...@gmail.com Skype: ray650315 Blog: farmers-boy.livejournal.com Twitter: @packerbackerray Facebook: www.facebook.com/packerbackerray Support the Illinois Council of the Blind at our GoFundMe page: www.gofundme.com/icb2015. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ray153056=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Martin Brown via Talk Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:18 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: VFO and Microsoft The thing that worries me, is not the possibility that there might be less choice of screen readers in the future, but that we will still have to purchase a screen reader at all. If a company like VFO has acquired the two largest screen readers in the assistive technology market, what does that say about Microsoft's commitment to finally doing what they should have done years ago: namely providing a fully functioning screen reader for its disabled customers. It is highly unlikely that a company like VFO is spending all that money if there was the slightest rumor that Microsoft was finally getting itself a social conscience. For all these years Microsoft has sat on its hands while others have taken up the challenge of helping blind and visually impaired people find a better quality of life. Thanks to the hard work of all the folks who have made Window-Eyes and JAWS the great success they both are, we blind computer users live fuller and more productive lives. However, I feel the time has come when it should no longer be necessary for blind users to pay an additional cost for being able to use the product of a multimillion dollar company. I wish all those who use, and participate in the production of adaptive technology, in these changing and challenging times all the best which ever way the wind blows. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ray153056%40gm ail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: VFO and Microsoft
Martin, Here here, Let Microsoft step up to the mark and supply a fully fledge screen reader with their operating systems not a Micky Mouse Narrator know more token gestures treat everyone equally just like what Appal does. Once again Martin well said, all the best Brendan -Original Message- From: Martin Brown via Talk Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 3:17 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: VFO and Microsoft The thing that worries me, is not the possibility that there might be less choice of screen readers in the future, but that we will still have to purchase a screen reader at all. If a company like VFO has acquired the two largest screen readers in the assistive technology market, what does that say about Microsoft's commitment to finally doing what they should have done years ago: namely providing a fully functioning screen reader for its disabled customers. It is highly unlikely that a company like VFO is spending all that money if there was the slightest rumor that Microsoft was finally getting itself a social conscience. For all these years Microsoft has sat on its hands while others have taken up the challenge of helping blind and visually impaired people find a better quality of life. Thanks to the hard work of all the folks who have made Window-Eyes and JAWS the great success they both are, we blind computer users live fuller and more productive lives. However, I feel the time has come when it should no longer be necessary for blind users to pay an additional cost for being able to use the product of a multimillion dollar company. I wish all those who use, and participate in the production of adaptive technology, in these changing and challenging times all the best which ever way the wind blows. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/red.alert%40talktalk.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: VFO and Microsoft
If you want "free," you get what you pay for. That said, I do think that one day the screen reader as we know it, will be obsolete. On 6/18/2016 10:17 AM, Martin Brown via Talk wrote: The thing that worries me, is not the possibility that there might be less choice of screen readers in the future, but that we will still have to purchase a screen reader at all. If a company like VFO has acquired the two largest screen readers in the assistive technology market, what does that say about Microsoft's commitment to finally doing what they should have done years ago: namely providing a fully functioning screen reader for its disabled customers. It is highly unlikely that a company like VFO is spending all that money if there was the slightest rumor that Microsoft was finally getting itself a social conscience. For all these years Microsoft has sat on its hands while others have taken up the challenge of helping blind and visually impaired people find a better quality of life. Thanks to the hard work of all the folks who have made Window-Eyes and JAWS the great success they both are, we blind computer users live fuller and more productive lives. However, I feel the time has come when it should no longer be necessary for blind users to pay an additional cost for being able to use the product of a multimillion dollar company. I wish all those who use, and participate in the production of adaptive technology, in these changing and challenging times all the best which ever way the wind blows. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: VFO and Microsoft
Microsoft has narrator. Not ready for prime time but it's getting better. Talk to the guys running the development builds and they'll be able to explain more. Either way, it's not up to scratch just yet but it's improoving. On 6/18/2016 10:17 AM, Martin Brown via Talk wrote: The thing that worries me, is not the possibility that there might be less choice of screen readers in the future, but that we will still have to purchase a screen reader at all. If a company like VFO has acquired the two largest screen readers in the assistive technology market, what does that say about Microsoft's commitment to finally doing what they should have done years ago: namely providing a fully functioning screen reader for its disabled customers. It is highly unlikely that a company like VFO is spending all that money if there was the slightest rumor that Microsoft was finally getting itself a social conscience. For all these years Microsoft has sat on its hands while others have taken up the challenge of helping blind and visually impaired people find a better quality of life. Thanks to the hard work of all the folks who have made Window-Eyes and JAWS the great success they both are, we blind computer users live fuller and more productive lives. However, I feel the time has come when it should no longer be necessary for blind users to pay an additional cost for being able to use the product of a multimillion dollar company. I wish all those who use, and participate in the production of adaptive technology, in these changing and challenging times all the best which ever way the wind blows. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: VFO and Microsoft
What in the world you talking about Microsoft has naraitor which is free -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gbmagoo=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Martin Brown via Talk Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 07:18 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: VFO and Microsoft The thing that worries me, is not the possibility that there might be less choice of screen readers in the future, but that we will still have to purchase a screen reader at all. If a company like VFO has acquired the two largest screen readers in the assistive technology market, what does that say about Microsoft's commitment to finally doing what they should have done years ago: namely providing a fully functioning screen reader for its disabled customers. It is highly unlikely that a company like VFO is spending all that money if there was the slightest rumor that Microsoft was finally getting itself a social conscience. For all these years Microsoft has sat on its hands while others have taken up the challenge of helping blind and visually impaired people find a better quality of life. Thanks to the hard work of all the folks who have made Window-Eyes and JAWS the great success they both are, we blind computer users live fuller and more productive lives. However, I feel the time has come when it should no longer be necessary for blind users to pay an additional cost for being able to use the product of a multimillion dollar company. I wish all those who use, and participate in the production of adaptive technology, in these changing and challenging times all the best which ever way the wind blows. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/gbmagoo%40gmai l.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
