Re: Windows ten creators' update issues.

2017-04-13 Thread Bob Tinney via Talk
I installed the creater update yesterday and did so using narrator.  The 
install went quickly in about 20 minutes and had no problem with the 
update.  Everything was spoken by narrator and I did have a keyboard 
hooked to my desktop computer.  I was actually surprised by how fast the 
upgrade went.



Now my question is what has changed by the upgrade?  The only thing that 
I've noticed is that narrator now must be started by Control windows enter.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 4/13/2017 1:05 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

I had about 3 or 4 major options.
(1) when the last screen came up, of course there is silence and your
computer is waiting for you to press the "next" button from within the
"welcome to windows" screen with your name on the second line.
I had no keyboard, therefore no way to call narrator, and no way to see
the "next" button, and no way to activate it, no how with an absent
keyboard.
(2) I had no sound, since unbeknownst to me, my sounds had been
redirected to my headphones output of my sound card, not speakers which
is the default and (formerly set up) condition.
What to do?  Without a mouse connected to my computer, without sight
available at the time, I determined with "be my eyes," that the
condition of "welcome to windows" was happening and my name were on the
screen, and the "next" button, my wife saw with KNFB reader with her
phone.
I had to find a USB mouse, get my neighbor to come in here and press the
"next" button with the mouse, and, of course, we had no keyboard so he
had to use the "virtual" keyboard available in "ease of access center,"
to tap in my PIN which I used at that time to log onto my machine,
because I used my Microsoft account so, in case I had a future machine
identified with my Microsoft account.
My neighbor, then, with very little computer experience, had to find a
way through all of the activity happening, (finishing the update,
downloading fixes to creator edition), and, then, since I was talking
with the Microsoft representative connect my computer to his for fixing.
We found out that on my machine, when the Microsoft account was having
to be logged into, with my pin being requested, I had no keyboard since
the default after the update was with "filter keys" turned on, and
though the Microsoft rep turned them off more than once, they got turned
on again before my PIN was requested every time a re-boot occurred. So,
his solution was to set me up with a local account for now.
The "no keyboard" situation was ugly, imagine a blind person without a
keyboard, and no way to call narrator during the update because of that,
and then, sounds being redirected somewhere else.
I did, while my computer was silent, plug headphones into my computer,
but with no activity, hung on the welcome screen, there is no potential
for sounds to occur, and with no keyboard, how was I to know if my
silent narrator was approaching the "next" key with the mouse. Narrator
did not stay with me after the last boot, and with no way to invoke it I
was hung.
So BE WARE! On your machine all may go swimmingly, but it sure did not
on mine, and I still do not know if I can re-invoke my Microsoft account
with it's PIN used to log into my machine.


-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA


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Windows ten creators' update issues.

2017-04-13 Thread Curtis Delzer via Talk
I had about 3 or 4 major options.
(1) when the last screen came up, of course there is silence and your
computer is waiting for you to press the "next" button from within the
"welcome to windows" screen with your name on the second line.
I had no keyboard, therefore no way to call narrator, and no way to see
the "next" button, and no way to activate it, no how with an absent
keyboard.
(2) I had no sound, since unbeknownst to me, my sounds had been
redirected to my headphones output of my sound card, not speakers which
is the default and (formerly set up) condition.
What to do?  Without a mouse connected to my computer, without sight
available at the time, I determined with "be my eyes," that the
condition of "welcome to windows" was happening and my name were on the
screen, and the "next" button, my wife saw with KNFB reader with her
phone.
I had to find a USB mouse, get my neighbor to come in here and press the
"next" button with the mouse, and, of course, we had no keyboard so he
had to use the "virtual" keyboard available in "ease of access center,"
to tap in my PIN which I used at that time to log onto my machine,
because I used my Microsoft account so, in case I had a future machine
identified with my Microsoft account.
My neighbor, then, with very little computer experience, had to find a
way through all of the activity happening, (finishing the update,
downloading fixes to creator edition), and, then, since I was talking
with the Microsoft representative connect my computer to his for fixing.
We found out that on my machine, when the Microsoft account was having
to be logged into, with my pin being requested, I had no keyboard since
the default after the update was with "filter keys" turned on, and
though the Microsoft rep turned them off more than once, they got turned
on again before my PIN was requested every time a re-boot occurred. So,
his solution was to set me up with a local account for now.
The "no keyboard" situation was ugly, imagine a blind person without a
keyboard, and no way to call narrator during the update because of that,
and then, sounds being redirected somewhere else.
I did, while my computer was silent, plug headphones into my computer,
but with no activity, hung on the welcome screen, there is no potential
for sounds to occur, and with no keyboard, how was I to know if my
silent narrator was approaching the "next" key with the mouse. Narrator
did not stay with me after the last boot, and with no way to invoke it I
was hung.
So BE WARE! On your machine all may go swimmingly, but it sure did not
on mine, and I still do not know if I can re-invoke my Microsoft account
with it's PIN used to log into my machine.


-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA


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